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This is atrociously bad policy, which makes any meaningful progressive legislative efforts DOA and validates the criticism that Pelosi got from the left:
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Doesn’t matter with a GOP Senate and since it doesn’t matter worth it as a sop to centrist Dems. A hollow victory for them.
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No no, I'm being very tactical here. Rabbit isn't the right term, but what I'm going for is someone to distract Trump and his supporters on a daily basis. It's not for the Dem base, at all.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:04 pmInteresting idea, but anyone who hasn't turned on Trump at this point is going to. Ever. Well, at least not because of something a Dem primary longshot throws out there.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:25 pmI've been thinking about this and the primaries and what the Dems need is the rough equivalent of a rabbit in track and horse racing terminology. Someone that sticks around as a lightly funded 3rd or 4th ranked candidate with no real chance or desire of winning, whose sole job is to just troll the fuck out of Trump. Just daily barrage of absolute mud slinging, facts and reality be damned (tho, really, all that they'd need to do is keep ticking off the stuff that is publicly available or that has been reported on, even if speculative.)The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:20 pmYep. She thought she could put it out there and kill the story, but Trump can always go lower, and he isn't constrained by facts or reality. He can always claim some batshit crazy thing and not get any splashback. Not sure how ti handle Trump, but flinging mud back at him won't move his base. While it might be fun to see someone hit back, they can only damage themselves.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:16 pm Yeah, my issue with Warren is that she did or didn't claim to be Native American, it's how she handled it once Trump got involved.
Her response should've been pretty much a concise distillation of what Syb just said and then move the fuck on. I don't have an issue with her doing the 23 and Me thing, for her own personal satisfaction, but publicly releasing it was about as dumb a move as I've seen politically in a long time.
That judgment really worries me and makes her a nonstarter in a battle with Trump. Don't get into the slop with a pig.
Stormy Daniels' lawyer was who I was hoping would be in the mix, but alas... Anyways, he's the type of guy I'm thinking of... Keep the "real" candidates out of the deep mud, allowing them to kind of stay above the fray until they have to engage later on.
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So a lightening rod for Trump to attack the decoy candidate, rather than the real candidates to prevent Trump from potentially persuading swing voters who might be turned against the Dem candidate enough to think Trump is the lesser evil? I like it.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:36 amNo no, I'm being very tactical here. Rabbit isn't the right term, but what I'm going for is someone to distract Trump and his supporters on a daily basis. It's not for the Dem base, at all.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:04 pmInteresting idea, but anyone who hasn't turned on Trump at this point is going to. Ever. Well, at least not because of something a Dem primary longshot throws out there.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:25 pmI've been thinking about this and the primaries and what the Dems need is the rough equivalent of a rabbit in track and horse racing terminology. Someone that sticks around as a lightly funded 3rd or 4th ranked candidate with no real chance or desire of winning, whose sole job is to just troll the fuck out of Trump. Just daily barrage of absolute mud slinging, facts and reality be damned (tho, really, all that they'd need to do is keep ticking off the stuff that is publicly available or that has been reported on, even if speculative.)The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:20 pmYep. She thought she could put it out there and kill the story, but Trump can always go lower, and he isn't constrained by facts or reality. He can always claim some batshit crazy thing and not get any splashback. Not sure how ti handle Trump, but flinging mud back at him won't move his base. While it might be fun to see someone hit back, they can only damage themselves.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:16 pm Yeah, my issue with Warren is that she did or didn't claim to be Native American, it's how she handled it once Trump got involved.
Her response should've been pretty much a concise distillation of what Syb just said and then move the fuck on. I don't have an issue with her doing the 23 and Me thing, for her own personal satisfaction, but publicly releasing it was about as dumb a move as I've seen politically in a long time.
That judgment really worries me and makes her a nonstarter in a battle with Trump. Don't get into the slop with a pig.
Stormy Daniels' lawyer was who I was hoping would be in the mix, but alas... Anyways, he's the type of guy I'm thinking of... Keep the "real" candidates out of the deep mud, allowing them to kind of stay above the fray until they have to engage later on.
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At this point we should arguably have a specific AOC thread, but the right likes to accuse Dems of Trump Derangement Syndrome, but anyone who thinks this is somehow some kind of legitimate attack or gotcha is the deranged one. I've been laughing for about a half hour at the responses to this.
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She should re-do it in the halls of the capitol building
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Turns out it was when she was at BU anyway (not that it matters). Maybe your daughter could re-create the re-creation!
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I don't hangout on Twitter, but I'm somewhat familiar with AnonQ from reading about some of the shit stirred up the last two years.
I'm convinced now more than ever that it's a long con game. There's no way someone put that up thinking they were scoring any points. Even for misogynist pigs... She's cute AF in that video!
I'm convinced now more than ever that it's a long con game. There's no way someone put that up thinking they were scoring any points. Even for misogynist pigs... She's cute AF in that video!
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I think it fits their narrative that AOC is a childish lightweight with stupid ideas. Showing her as a college student acting like a college student makes her seem like, well, a college student. Sure that video is 15 years old, but she was acting like a child! Of course, these are the same people that argued that we should ignore the 10 year old Access Hollywood tape, because that was 10 years ago! Trump was at the young age of 62, we can't hold him accountable for the actions of his past. Or Brett Kavanaugh being a rapey party monster in HS, he was just a kid, we can't hold him accountable for sexually assaulting girls in HS! But making a video where she did the Breakfast Club dance while in college? Not suitable to lead!Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:10 pm I don't hangout on Twitter, but I'm somewhat familiar with AnonQ from reading about some of the shit stirred up the last two years.
I'm convinced now more than ever that it's a long con game. There's no way someone put that up thinking they were scoring any points. Even for misogynist pigs... She's cute AF in that video!
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I just don't see a path for Warren.
She's not left or popular enough, that's Bernie
She's not Obama enough, that's Beto
She's not woman/minority enough, that's Kamala
She's not hip enough, that's AOC
She's just blah. Does she even get to Iowa?
She's not left or popular enough, that's Bernie
She's not Obama enough, that's Beto
She's not woman/minority enough, that's Kamala
She's not hip enough, that's AOC
She's just blah. Does she even get to Iowa?
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She also can't troll back. It seems weird, but being able to hit those memes hard might get you somewhere these days.
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To answer your observation you must first acknowledge Trump just doesn't give a fuck if he's called out (nor do his followers). And this goes back to the GOP not giving a flying fuck about rules.
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"Can we get a spouse?" Love it.
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Yeah, literal LOL.
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Has he sworn in the representatives from MN and MI yet? He may melt by being that close to a Koran.
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He actually can't be there because one of them did a big swearword.
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The below is a pretty worthwhile thread because I think it doesn't get discussed enough how a lot of all this shit *gestures around broadly* is tearing the country part.
It's interesting to me because it's one of the first times I've seen Gen X discussed in this context and most of us Swampers are probably GenXers or close enough to not really be Millennials except by definition.
We are -- in some ways -- caught in the middle of all of this and if we haven't already, will be forced to choose sides. I'm going with the kids.
It's interesting to me because it's one of the first times I've seen Gen X discussed in this context and most of us Swampers are probably GenXers or close enough to not really be Millennials except by definition.
We are -- in some ways -- caught in the middle of all of this and if we haven't already, will be forced to choose sides. I'm going with the kids.
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Just like with the Parkland kids, don't try to out-do millennials on social media. They are light-years better at it then you are, especially if you are a conservative white dude.
I don't know all that much about AOC (besides what I've read), but I love how she makes conservatives go absolutely bonkers. She also seems like she's pretty smart, and ready to dive in and work hard.
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Fuck this guy. Just kick him out of the fucking party already.
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Nice:
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Guys, calm down. Manchin needs to undercut newcomers to his own party or else he might lose in WV six years from now. It’s strategy and if you can’t understand that maybe go back to the kiddie pool (of politics).
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Is the argument that the country would be better if Morrissey had won in WV instead of Manchin? I realize he’s not ideal but I’m struggling to see how a DSA candidate is going to win a statewide election in WV or someplace like KS or NE. Isn’t it better to have a conservative Democrat in that seat than a complete Trump nutter?
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He sure as fuck sounds like a Trump nutter.brian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:23 am Is the argument that the country would be better if Morrissey had won in WV instead of Manchin? I realize he’s not ideal but I’m struggling to see how a DSA candidate is going to win a statewide election in WV or someplace like KS or NE. Isn’t it better to have a conservative Democrat in that seat than a complete Trump nutter?
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Even if conservative Democrats like Manchin are necessary to win in states like WV, it would be nice if those guys showed just a little bit of solidarity with more liberal Congressmen and women. Whether it’s Manchin bashing Tlaib or McCaskill bashing Ocasio-Cortez, a lot of conservative Dems seem a lot more comfortable attacking young upstarts within their own party than they do criticizing Trump. With respect to the Senate in particular, this is where Schumer’s feeble leadership hurts. Manchin knows he can cozy up to Trump all he wants and still get whatever Committee spots he wants. Hell, Joe Lieberman was still treated as a leading light by the Democratic establishment long after he had gone full neocon.Giff wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:44 amHe sure as fuck sounds like a Trump nutter.brian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:23 am Is the argument that the country would be better if Morrissey had won in WV instead of Manchin? I realize he’s not ideal but I’m struggling to see how a DSA candidate is going to win a statewide election in WV or someplace like KS or NE. Isn’t it better to have a conservative Democrat in that seat than a complete Trump nutter?
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The path for Warren is that the party establishment despises Sanders because he has succeeded without their help and will do whatever it can to dissuade him from running. (Ironically, the same people who say “he’s not a Democrat!” about Sanders are cool with Manchin, but that’s beside the point of this post.) If Sanders doesn’t run, then Warren could easily capture a lot of his constituency. In fact, I suspect that she declared so early in part because she wanted to get in before Sanders.degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:38 pm I just don't see a path for Warren.
She's not left or popular enough, that's Bernie
She's not Obama enough, that's Beto
She's not woman/minority enough, that's Kamala
She's not hip enough, that's AOC
She's just blah. Does she even get to Iowa?
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In contrast to Manchin, et al., this is the correct reaction to Tlaib’s comments:
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Yuuuppppp. Cries for civility when they feel threatened. Line up behind the "tells it like it is" monsters in their party when they feel the need to play bully. Fuck all of them.
Seriously, look at this picture:
It'll be an incredible day when actual America is represented fully instead of these pathetic old white people who clutch their pearls and fall into their fainting couch when a brown person swears in a private gathering.
But this:
Completely ok.
Seriously, look at this picture:
It'll be an incredible day when actual America is represented fully instead of these pathetic old white people who clutch their pearls and fall into their fainting couch when a brown person swears in a private gathering.
But this:
Completely ok.
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Politico article of idiot, pearl clutching Democrats overreacting to Tlaib's comment.
These are the worst fucking people. The world burns around them and they are too blinded by their own self importance to see what's going on.
These are the worst fucking people. The world burns around them and they are too blinded by their own self importance to see what's going on.
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Like 90% of national Democratic politicians came of age politically in the 1970s or 1980s and are permanently traumatized by the GOP’s landslide electoral victories in those decades. They live in constant fear of appearing too liberal — even when a monster like Trump is President —and the more activist younger generation like AOC and Tlaib is like another species to them. Nancy Pelosi even drooled an “all lives matter” in a town hall last weekend, which was pretty nauseating to hear from one of the most powerful Democrats.Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:21 pm Politico article of idiot, pearl clutching Democrats overreacting to Tlaib's comment.
These are the worst fucking people. The world burns around them and they are too blinded by their own self importance to see what's going on.
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I know it's ancient history in internet adjusted terms, but here's the full video of AOC and her friends dancing. It has been on YouTube since 2010.
I'm pretty sure I saw Phoenix at Coachella once. And I'm pretty sure we all danced like that.
I'm pretty sure I saw Phoenix at Coachella once. And I'm pretty sure we all danced like that.
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Not sure if it's true, but I read that they cut the video as a promo to play at hockey games. A couple additional points; I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone attack the moment she held hands with the black guy. If she was white, I bet that would have been an attack point. It's a good thing another girl in the video hooked up with the dog mascot. I couldn't deal with Hannity freaking out with claims of beastiality.
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One more point is she is incredibly hot in that video. Maybe some more college videos of her can come out.
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Agree with this. And I don't know if people are forgetting Warren's past or what, but... She's a lot more dangerous to Wall Street and the wealthy than people seem to be giving her credit for. Also, Beto, Kamala and AOC don't have the chops Warren does. As much as I don't like the weird racial baggage she's carrying around, I'm not going discount Warren because she's already building a national machine.Joe K wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:28 amThe path for Warren is that the party establishment despises Sanders because he has succeeded without their help and will do whatever it can to dissuade him from running. (Ironically, the same people who say “he’s not a Democrat!” about Sanders are cool with Manchin, but that’s beside the point of this post.) If Sanders doesn’t run, then Warren could easily capture a lot of his constituency. In fact, I suspect that she declared so early in part because she wanted to get in before Sanders.degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:38 pm I just don't see a path for Warren.
She's not left or popular enough, that's Bernie
She's not Obama enough, that's Beto
She's not woman/minority enough, that's Kamala
She's not hip enough, that's AOC
She's just blah. Does she even get to Iowa?
Don't discount organization and professionalism in these things.
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Wow I wonder who the one Democrat he called is this is a real tough one I just can't imagine who it would be absolutely no one is coming to mind hmmm ...
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Yep - adjusted for fame and resources, I'd put this on a level with "Love Will Never Do Without You" Janet.
he’s a fixbking cyborg or some shit. The
holy fuckbAllZ, what a ducking nightmare. Holy shot. Just, fuck. The
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