2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread
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Must go hand in hand with some method prosecuting those who can afford child payments but choose not to do so vs those who don't pay because they can't afford them and end up in prison, in effect, because they're poor.
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Ah. OK, I can definitely see that argument. Thanks.
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This is dumb but I'll spell it out so you have to stop dancing around: (1) Not all prosecutors are bad. (2) Progressive prosecutors are wonderful. (3) A 30 year prosecutor cannot stand up to vetting at this time.brian wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:34 pmNo, all prosecutors are bad. Check out this piece of shit. If he runs for a MO Senate seat in 12 years, there's no way he should be elected.
Same logic applies to an empathetic pharma rep or that tobacco VP who effected real internal change in how their product was marketed. As soon as you have to say something like "Harris disavowed her staff's arguments against early parole because it would reduce the prison labor pool", you've lost. When the list of potential candidates for president is "everyone", some people's past occupations are disqualifiers.
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Damn. Looks like I won't be getting Mister D's vote anytime soon.
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A prosecutor could easily run and win as a Democratic candidate. Even minorities want minorities that commit crimes to serve long sentences. I do see overreach, particularly in the child support context around here as they will almost always lock you up until someone purges you out in certain counties and almost never lock you up in others. I also see lots of unfairness in probation revocations in certain counties. Its like they intend for you to violate when you enter the plea. One could pretty easily walk the line of tough on crime and fighting injustice at the same time. In fact, thats the likely type of candidate that could come up victorious in a general election.
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Yes, you could do that and I could see a prosecutor starting now and running in 2050 being fine. But 1990-2020 is not the same as 2020-2050 and Harris specifically already has too many things to answer for. Beyond that, at some point the lesson has to be learned that internally the question has to be "why them" and not "why not them" and you can't just rally around your establishment fave.
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Surely the “Bernie’s Not a Democrat!” crowd will be up in arms about this when Biden announces his 2020 run:
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That wily Uncle Joe is so crazy!
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Joe Biden is a non-starter for me. Nope.
He is the very embodiment of a Washington/Wall Street Democrat. Very much done with that species.
He is the very embodiment of a Washington/Wall Street Democrat. Very much done with that species.
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We can pull the Pete Buttigieg talk from the Random Politics thread to here.
From 538:
How Pete Buttigieg Could Win The 2020 Democratic Nomination
I like him.
From 538:
How Pete Buttigieg Could Win The 2020 Democratic Nomination
I like him.
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Needs a better last name.
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And here we go with the next round of racist/birther nonsense:
(For the record: Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, CA)
(For the record: Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, CA)
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Someone should take a club to the side of that little racist pisher's head.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:06 pm And here we go with the next round of racist/birther nonsense:
(For the record: Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, CA)
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ignoring him is actually a far better and more effective idea
seriously. y'all posting w**l shit in here is exactly what he wants. he thrives on attention and engagement on twitter. he has nothing else.
seriously. y'all posting w**l shit in here is exactly what he wants. he thrives on attention and engagement on twitter. he has nothing else.
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I just left a hipster coffee shop downtown and overheard people talking about posting my tweets in THE SWAMP!!!
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Are you ok?
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I have an episode of "Reply All" to thank for allowing Giff to put a smile on my face.
Well worth a listen
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dis replied to him on twitter too and caused a w**l tweet to pop up into my timeline!!!!!!!!
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Tweetlogix. Only see the tweets you are supposed to see, not what other people like.
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Sorry! I couldn't resist telling him to make sure his zipper was zipped up during his press conference.Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:32 amdis replied to him on twitter too and caused a w**l tweet to pop up into my timeline!!!!!!!!
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I'm kinda over Bernie. But if he is there to push the field left, sweet.
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Bernie has enough supporters that his presence in the field would definitely push the rest of the field left on economic, education and health care issues. The million dollar question is who among the Democratic field would actually stay there if they got past the primary. I have my doubts about every likely candidate besides Bernie and Warren.
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Bernie needs to ride off into the sunset but that’ll never happen because it’s always about Bernie. The one thing he has in common with Trump is a massive, needy ego.
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Tell me who among the small group of people that have run for national office, at the Congressional level, does not have an ego.
And the 2016-related criticisms of Bernie are hilarious when he did far more to help Clinton that year than she did to help Obama in 2008 or Bill Bradley did to help Gore in 2000, etc.
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It is true that most politicians at that level have a big ego. Another reason his quixotic bid might be bad is it reduces the chances for a progressive candidate to get the nomination since he’ll siphon support and fundraising from them and he’s shown he’ll stay in the race regardless of the eventual outcome.
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Sanders has been one of the most popular politicians in America for years now. He has already run a strong national campaign and is a fundraising powerhouse. While his age is not ideal he has several obvious strengths. Yet there’s already an effort to portray a 2020 run from him as a vanity project or “quixotic bid” when establishment-friendly candidates (real or prospective) like Harris and O’Rourke are instantly deemed as formidable contenders despite never having been part of a national campaign. Funny how that works.brian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:40 am It is true that most politicians at that level have a big ego. Another reason his quixotic bid might be bad is it reduces the chances for a progressive candidate to get the nomination since he’ll siphon support and fundraising from them and he’s shown he’ll stay in the race regardless of the eventual outcome.
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Because, in part, they are not 100 years old.
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If it were actually about age, and not about the fact that Sanders has succeeded without needing the Democratic establishment, then there would be a lot more pushback against Biden running. In 2029, at the end of a potential two-term presidency, Warren will also be older than Sanders is now. Age should be considered but I have a really hard time believing that Sanders would be treated much differently if he were 10 or even 20 years younger.
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Biden is getting plenty of pushback for his age, amongst other reasons.
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I remain more and more convinced the way to confound and defeat Trump will be with someone a generation younger. Turning out 18-to-25 year-olds was crucial in the midterms and will be again in 2020. Nominating a fossil like Sanders, Biden or even Warren is not the way to go. Right now in the absence of any serious policy debates I’m putting my eggs in the Harris or Beto baskets.
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This is a good Tweet:
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About time someone used that as a political talking point. I was waiting.
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There’s a $150M yacht here in the Cabo marina right now. That kind of wealth is offensive. I’ll never understand how so many Americans are hoodwinked into thinking they’ll be that wealthy one day instead of taxing it to improve their own prospects of staying or landing in the middle class. Americans are so fucking dumb.
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When I lived in Boston I used to pass by John Henry’s yacht all the time when I went for walks or jogs along the harbor. That thing was ridiculous and I agree that level of conspicuous consumption is pretty gross.
ETA: according to the esteemed website superyachtfan.com, Henry’s yacht is worth “only” $90M.
ETA: according to the esteemed website superyachtfan.com, Henry’s yacht is worth “only” $90M.
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"The American Dream" the up from the bootstraps narrative that EVERY politician throws out there.brian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:19 pm There’s a $150M yacht here in the Cabo marina right now. That kind of wealth is offensive. I’ll never understand how so many Americans are hoodwinked into thinking they’ll be that wealthy one day instead of taxing it to improve their own prospects of staying or landing in the middle class. Americans are so fucking dumb.
They grew up eating rat feces, but by dint of hard work and a belief in the system, they get to blow billionaires to keep their seat in congress.
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Which bourbon?Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:47 pm"The American Dream" the up from the bootstraps narrative that EVERY politician throws out there.brian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:19 pm There’s a $150M yacht here in the Cabo marina right now. That kind of wealth is offensive. I’ll never understand how so many Americans are hoodwinked into thinking they’ll be that wealthy one day instead of taxing it to improve their own prospects of staying or landing in the middle class. Americans are so fucking dumb.
They grew up eating rat feces, but by dint of hard work and a belief in the system, they get to blow billionaires to keep their seat in congress.
(Sorry, this bourbon is very tasty...)
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Funny, I'm enjoying a Manhattan right now, made with Templeton Rye! (And, that was a good comment, Pruitt!)
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