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Sucks, Shirley. Good luck.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:26 am Jesus, sorry man.

I have worked for (pauses to count) 4 different founders, one in tech and the 3 others in the non-profit space. (I almost count working for a congressman in this, because they carry a lot of the same characteristics as founders.)

It's just really tough because everything is just so incredibly personal to them. It's their baby, and NO ONE can understand its importance or exactly how it works better than momma/poppa.

It has it's rewards, because you really feel like you're in a mission-driven atmosphere. But it has a lot of downside, not the least of which is that quite often the organization is kind of rife with weird power cells driven by who the founder is currently favoring, which often supersedes the actual org chart/hierarchy.

And, yeah, the whim of the founder really jerks the place around by its tail.
I see this all the time, and it's always the worst with tech companies. I totally get why founders of a company want to keep control and view it as their baby, but the attributes that make someone successful at starting a tech company usually don't coincide with the traits and skills needed to be CEO of a growing tech company. The business and people skills are usually lacking, and is a sense of self awareness in realizing they lack these skills. I've walked into these issues so many times, and it usually is tech companies.

On the bright side, the shit is only going to get much worse at that company. I hope they set you up with a severance, and good luck finding your next gig.
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The Sybian wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:00 pm
degenerasian wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:43 am Sybian: That's really stupid to lock networks. How did he win that lawsuit? your company must have a business case argument.

I don't know how the law works in Canada, but in the US employees are either classified as exempt (from overtime) or non-exempt. The test is extremely subjective for a lot of jobs, and depends on a number of factors. Employees are very often misclassified, and the test is so unclear, my company as a policy, even though we are the HR department for clients, does not advise on whether individual employees should be classified exempt. We give them the tools to decide, and tell them it's a legal question, and they need to contact a lawyer. I really think the employees in that role should be exempt, but one judge felt otherwise, so we have 100s of employees reclassified. My company had to pay millions in damages for lost OT wages for all employees in that one role going back several years. Since a lot of those people work from home, my company is subject to fines if they log into their emails and don't clock in for the OT hours.

The network itself isn't locked, everyone else can access the databases, we just need exempt employees to go in and do the job of non-exempt employees after hours.
It's pretty vague here too.
Common rule is that if you're salaried with benefits, you're exempt from overtime and if you're waged then you're automatically non-exempt, and will get paid overtime based in their timesheet.

I'm salaried with benefits and I cannot charge overtime if I work extra hours. However, I have been paid overtime for tasks asked of me outside of my regular day to day work. For example, another department needed me for 100 hours to fix legacy data created before my time. Something totally separate and not in my manager's budget. There's a bunch of contracts everyone has to sign to approve it.
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I got one month of severance pay. Initially, it was only 2 weeks (among other things, the founder is very cheap). I didn't think anything of it, because I was kind of stunned and have never been through this before. But apparently, when the other execs at the company found out (e.g. the VP of Sales and our part-time CFO), they said that was unacceptable, and so they doubled it.

Of course, it's a rare tech founder who can properly run a growing company. This guy isn't one of them. If we'd raised our money from a VC, they never would have allowed this to happen. Instead, we got money from another company who essentially wants to sell our stuff in Japan and they just aren't really very savvy investors. Also, this guy remains the majority shareholder himself, so he could really do about whatever he wants.

The company will fail. We haven't had a single new client in over 1.5 years. All recent revenue has been support renewals and resells to existing customers when their hardware got too old. He has no idea what to sell in the current market. He just knows that he didn't like other people trying to change things to try to meet that market.

One of my devs quit within an hour of hearing the news. All the others have reached out saying how unhappy they are with the change. I'm 100% sure all the other leaders are also planning their exit now.

But it's no longer my problem.

Luckily this happened on Thursday morning, so I was able to watch basketball all day Thursday and Friday. Now, I'm looking around for similar roles in this area. We'll see.
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Shit, that sucks Shirley. Good luck with your search and hopefully you land somewhere with a better future.
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Well Rerun, if you come out for any interviews in Silicon Valley, please let me know. I recently hung out (separately) with Johnnie and DSafetyguy, so three’s the charm!

Speaking of the job front and the tech world, I informally got offered a job yesterday, after being out of work and essentially retired for a couple years. So I might get back on the horse again, if he offers me decent money.

The brother-in-law of one of my good friends here owns and is CEO of a very small Palo Alto tech hardware company that has about $15 million in annual sales, very profitable, but only 7 employees (warning: founder-owner business!). The woman who runs his office, and does all his accounting and purchasing and HR wants to retire this year. She said she will stick around and train a replacement. I had lunch with the CEO Thursday, met the woman and the top engineer yesterday, and he offered me her job soon after. It’s only about 30 hours a week, which is great. We haven’t even talked compensation, but he’ll make the formal offer this week. He assured me he’d be very flexible with all the travel I will want/need to do. So...
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Drinking a beer at 4 p.m. in the office because I can. (In STL for meetings this week.)
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Drinking a second beer at 4:30 because why not?

ETA: As my late, beloved grandfather would say "Hell, don't cost nuthin'"
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brian wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:35 pm Drinking a second beer at 4:30 because why not?

ETA: As my late, beloved grandfather would say "Hell, don't cost nuthin'"
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Maybe that's where he got it! (Though he used to say it for literally ANYTHING that was gratis.)
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Just saw all this. Sorry to hear , Dave.
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Shirley wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:44 pm I got one month of severance pay. Initially, it was only 2 weeks (among other things, the founder is very cheap). I didn't think anything of it, because I was kind of stunned and have never been through this before. But apparently, when the other execs at the company found out (e.g. the VP of Sales and our part-time CFO), they said that was unacceptable, and so they doubled it.

Of course, it's a rare tech founder who can properly run a growing company. This guy isn't one of them. If we'd raised our money from a VC, they never would have allowed this to happen. Instead, we got money from another company who essentially wants to sell our stuff in Japan and they just aren't really very savvy investors. Also, this guy remains the majority shareholder himself, so he could really do about whatever he wants.

The company will fail. We haven't had a single new client in over 1.5 years. All recent revenue has been support renewals and resells to existing customers when their hardware got too old. He has no idea what to sell in the current market. He just knows that he didn't like other people trying to change things to try to meet that market.

One of my devs quit within an hour of hearing the news. All the others have reached out saying how unhappy they are with the change. I'm 100% sure all the other leaders are also planning their exit now.

But it's no longer my problem.

Luckily this happened on Thursday morning, so I was able to watch basketball all day Thursday and Friday. Now, I'm looking around for similar roles in this area. We'll see.
I’ll echo what others have said about this. I can’t get over the fact the founder of a cybersecurity company would shun modern technologies such as cloud computing. In a business sense it seems counterintuitive.
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EnochRoot wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:34 am I’ll echo what others have said about this. I can’t get over the fact the founder of a cybersecurity company would shun modern technologies such as cloud computing. In a business sense it seems counterintuitive.
I believe it. Lots of people have the mindset that new = bad. I've been in software for 18 years and because most of my work has been in the defense/aerospace/communications worlds where companies are generally resistant to change, I have yet to do any meaningful work in cloud computing, modern frameworks, etc.

That was a major point of emphasis in my job search, breaking into those areas. Unfortunately I got a few "we really like you, but we need more experience in these fields to hire at a senior level" responses after my interviews. There was one place that I think could have worked out where they were at the point of just moving in to some cloud work so they didn't mind as much my lack of experience, but I had the offer on the table for where I ended up. Couldn't take the chance on passing that up.
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phxgators wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:35 am
EnochRoot wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:34 am I’ll echo what others have said about this. I can’t get over the fact the founder of a cybersecurity company would shun modern technologies such as cloud computing. In a business sense it seems counterintuitive.
I believe it. Lots of people have the mindset that new = bad. I've been in software for 18 years and because most of my work has been in the defense/aerospace/communications worlds where companies are generally resistant to change, I have yet to do any meaningful work in cloud computing, modern frameworks, etc.

That was a major point of emphasis in my job search, breaking into those areas. Unfortunately I got a few "we really like you, but we need more experience in these fields to hire at a senior level" responses after my interviews. There was one place that I think could have worked out where they were at the point of just moving in to some cloud work so they didn't mind as much my lack of experience, but I had the offer on the table for where I ended up. Couldn't take the chance on passing that up.
Yeah, but you're coming from industries (defense & aerospace) where you may well have had to turn in your mobile device at the front door, and your PC might've had restricted USB ports to prevent data loss. This guy's a purported leader in the field of IT security, so he really can't afford to alienate, say, 99% of businesses that need some level of protection.
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EnochRoot wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:55 am Yeah, but you're coming from industries (defense & aerospace) where you may well have had to turn in your mobile device at the front door, and your PC might've had restricted USB ports to prevent data loss. This guy's a purported leader in the field of IT security, so he really can't afford to alienate, say, 99% of businesses that need some level of protection.
Luckily, I haven't had to do that for over a decade (at least the phone part). Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you. It's just fascinating the number of people/companies that refuse to modernize.
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In some cases, people hate it when their skill set or comfortable way of doing things starts to become old-fashioned or obsolete. Thus, irrational resentment directed at new, replacement methods or technology.
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sancarlos wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:24 pm In some cases, people hate it when their skill set or comfortable way of doing things starts to become old-fashioned or obsolete. Thus, irrational resentment directed at new, replacement methods or technology.
I resemble that remark.

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sancarlos wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 12:24 pm In some cases, people hate it when their skill set or comfortable way of doing things starts to become old-fashioned or obsolete. Thus, irrational resentment directed at new, replacement methods or technology.
I think Cliff Clavin was overheard mumbling that the internet was just a fad.
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My wife got let go today. We've been expecting it for a while and she'll be happier no longer working there, so it wasn't a blow at all. She is supposed to remain on payroll for about six months (no benefits), so she will hopefully be able to find another job before that time lapses.

Timing could be a lot worse. I just finished the first of three projects for a current client with two more that are pretty much on top of each other, so there will be multiple weeks of two and sometimes three paychecks.
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DSafetyGuy wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:34 pm My wife got let go today. We've been expecting it for a while and she'll be happier no longer working there, so it wasn't a blow at all. She is supposed to remain on payroll for about six months (no benefits), so she will hopefully be able to find another job before that time lapses.

Timing could be a lot worse. I just finished the first of three projects for a current client with two more that are pretty much on top of each other, so there will be multiple weeks of two and sometimes three paychecks.
Sorry man. I trust you can go on Cobra for healthcare in the interim?
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Sorry, DSafe. With you working from home just think of all the time you'll get together when you're not traveling for work!

(I think an honest open question is how well my wife and I will deal with each other when neither of us is working and we're up in each other's face all the time. I assume we'll adjust fine but it might involve getting out of the house for long walks to get some alone time.)
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brian wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:08 pmI assume we'll adjust fine but it might involve getting out of the house for long walks to get some alone time.)
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sancarlos wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:03 pmSorry man. I trust you can go on Cobra for healthcare in the interim?
She mentioned something about that. And, sancarlos, I'll be back out for about five weeks or so, starting something like a week into May. I might even have Memorial Day off! (Labor Day with this client last year was not off.)

And she works from home, too (she still reports tomorrow). Different offices on different floors and I can usually hear her coming upstairs, so tend to look at the doorway before she arrives.
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COBRA can be mad expensive. Depending on your state there may be better options.
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A_B wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:59 pmCOBRA can be mad expensive. Depending on your state there may be better options.
The good news is she will have plenty of time to research those options.
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at this rate, you guys (and your wives) should just open your own company.
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A_B wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:59 pm COBRA can be mad expensive. Depending on your state there may be better options.
Cobra was way cheaper than what I have to pay now that it has expired. (But Cobra is more than I'd pay if I had insurance through a job. We have a situation where a doctor my wife needs is not on Obamacare, and so we pay through the nose. That's why my going back to work is kind of a big deal.)
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Yeah mileage probably varies.my sister in law got laid off a few years ago and it was going to be nuts. She ended up getting un Laid off so it worked out but it shocked me the difference.

May have had to do with dependents actually.
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degenerasian wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:32 pm at this rate, you guys (and your wives) should just open your own company.
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Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:54 pm
degenerasian wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:32 pm at this rate, you guys (and your wives) should just open your own company.
+1
I've talked about it with the other VP that got laid off with me. The trick with both of us is that our lives (and expenses) are set up around two incomes. When you start your own company, typically you don't make anything for quite a while. The only option would be an angel investor who'd be willing to let us use the money for our salary. Normally, angels want you only spending their money on product or sales, not yourself.
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Guy at work posted in our random Slack channel that he has to find a home for his pet turtle named -- and there's no way I could make this up -- Detective Elliot Stabler.
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Our office manager put out a call for "inspirational quotes" to put on the office's walls and I know I need a vacation because I almost submitted this:

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brian wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:27 pm Guy at work posted in our random Slack channel that he has to find a home for his pet turtle named -- and there's no way I could make this up -- Detective Elliot Stabler.
Just making sure you know that someone did make it up
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brian wrote: Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:59 pm Our office manager put out a call for "inspirational quotes" to put on the office's walls and I know I need a vacation because I almost submitted this:

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So, fun week huh el flaco?
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I just had an editor write the following:
If it can accommodate a USB cord, that makes it an HDMI port, correct? If so, she has an HDMI.
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Giff wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 1:55 pm So, fun week huh el flaco?
yep. all but one of my offices is bau as of noon today.. although workarounds galore abound still.

to top it all.. my upgrade to win10 caused my laptop to lose all external displays.. and as of Friday.. will likely be sometime in late june before i get a replacement. maybe.

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Honestly, the main thing was our phones were down so my team couldn't take calls from customers...they really weren't upset about that. Customers didn't seem too annoyed by it. All the products we support were untouched and were never down, so that was nice. We had more people in the office than ever since they flew in all remote employees to Houston or Hartford.
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My least favorite employee (who also happens to be my least favorite human being I deal with on an everyday basis) is unbelievable. One of her colleagues asked to WFH on Tuesday due to having to file a title change at a courthouse in the county he lives in where the courthouse is a good 75 miles from our office. She e-mailed me directly asking if I could ask him if he could do it another day because a) the day after a holiday is always so busy (not true) and b) whenever he asks to work from home it's a Monday or Friday and this is pretty much a Monday.

I appreciate her concern. I'd appreciate it a lot more if she wasn't moving to Los Angeles in August and working from home permanently, just like their only other colleague in the same position who just moved to Virginia. Sure, I'm going to tell this guy he can't work from home on Tuesday.
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