NFL Week 3 - The Dawn of the Daniel Jones Era

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:01 pm

bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:33 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm Can someone who is smart at football tell me what was the point of that drop kick by Baltimore?
No. No they can’t. So many shit decisions in that game.

What was the reasoning in going for the two point conversion down 30-19?

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:03 pm

The announcer said he kicked it too high, so maybe he was trying to place it to a spot where KC couldn't make a fair catch or maybe they were hoping KC would mess up and not call a fair catch.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:20 pm

The Giants have a future!

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:29 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:03 pm The announcer said he kicked it too high, so maybe he was trying to place it to a spot where KC couldn't make a fair catch or maybe they were hoping KC would mess up and not call a fair catch.

Pretty sure it went like this:

Your primary goal is to get the ball back ASAP. But the new rules affecting onside kicks makes that all but impossible. Your secondary goal is to keep the clock locked in on 2:01. The only way to go after that primary goal while collecting the benefits of the secondary goal should the primary goal fail was to engage in the dropkick scenario we saw.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:29 pm

Tampa has a dogshit special teams unit.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:04 pm

The Bills defence is superb.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:07 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:01 pm
bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:33 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm Can someone who is smart at football tell me what was the point of that drop kick by Baltimore?
No. No they can’t. So many shit decisions in that game.
What was the reasoning in going for the two point conversion down 30-19?

I’d love to hear the answer for that also. What was the point of going for it on fourth down from the 50 early in the game? So many coaching blunders.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:01 pm

Jimmy Haslam looks like the villain in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:31 pm

bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:07 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:01 pm
bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:33 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm Can someone who is smart at football tell me what was the point of that drop kick by Baltimore?
No. No they can’t. So many shit decisions in that game.
What was the reasoning in going for the two point conversion down 30-19?
I’d love to hear the answer for that also. What was the point of going for it on fourth down from the 50 early in the game? So many coaching blunders.

I loved Harbaugh's aggressiveness throughout the game. I thought he was appropriately aggressive in every scenario except that 30-19 2-point attempt. That was bizarre. 33-30 probably changes the thought process of the drop kick and who knows what happens on the next sequence by the Chiefs.

(that said, the screen on third down was perfect)

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:45 pm

What's up with the Rsms offense? Everyone has figured it out?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:45 pm

I agree with Bronto. I think when you play against Mahomes, you’ve got to be aggressive.

Post by **Sabo** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:50 pm

Johnny Carwash wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:01 pm Jimmy Haslam looks like the villain in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

This may be the most perfect comment ever made in the Swamp. Bravo.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:01 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:01 pm Babe Ruth for cash: Yankees become most successful US sports franchise and six states worth of sports fans get their entire identity.

I love this comment so much, but 12 years ago it would have been the greatest burn ever.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:49 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:45 pm I agree with Bronto. I think when you play against Mahomes, you’ve got to be aggressive.

I tend to agree with this and would add that Harbaugh probably thinks that Jackson’s elusiveness makes their expected 2PC success rate higher than that of an average team. Obviously it didn’t work out that way today but Jackson is such a dynamic open field runner that I can see the logic.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:02 pm

I can't even watch NFL anymore.. Too may flags and then the commercials are crazy..

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:07 am

WEEK 3 RECAP

I guess National Quarterbacks Holding On to the Ball Too Long and Getting Sacked League is too long for business cards?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:46 am

bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:33 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm Can someone who is smart at football tell me what was the point of that drop kick by Baltimore?
No. No they can’t. So many shit decisions in that game.

I have Tucker on two fantasy teams and honestly thought he must be hurt the way Harbaugh was going out of his way not to use him...

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:57 am

Seems were getting toward a post-concussion era low in league wide QB depth. About 20 teams currently have established guys available to play. Seemed like that number might have been 25 or so a couple years ago. Also seemed like that number used to be more like 15 maybe 10-15 years ago.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:07 am

Why do you think that is? It's not like there are less college teams.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:52 am

Assuming this Steelers season goes the way it's looking -- 5-11/6-10-ish -- is Tomlin on the hot seat? Seems like the ownership there gives coaches a lot of rope, but it's been a long time since that bad of a season in Pittsburgh.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:58 am

Peter King breaks it down.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... eter-king/

Situation: Kansas City up 30-19, 12:27 left in the game. The Ravens have just scored to pull within 11 points, and Baltimore coach John Harbaugh has a decision to make on the conversion—though most coaches would just kick the PAT.

The decision: Harbaugh chooses to go for the two-point conversion to try to cut the lead to nine points, rather than kick the PAT to go down by 10 with likely two possessions left in the game. On TV, Ian Eagle thinks the way most people think: “The math just doesn’t work.”

The thought process: Harbaugh said after the game it was a “clear analytic decision to go for two. We had a mindset that we would come in and score as many points as we could … We are not going into it blind. We got the numbers.”

The analytics: According to Eric Eager of PFF: “Had the Ravens converted the two-point conversion, they know that scoring a field goal and a touchdown with a conventional PAT wins the game outright, instead of leaving similar decisions to the end of the game. Mathematically, if Baltimore missed the two-point conversion attempt, the Chiefs were 94.3 percent likely to win, Baltimore 5.7 percent. If Baltimore made the two-point conversion, Kansas City was 89.1 percent likely to win, Baltimore 10.9 percent. By kicking the PAT, Kansas City was 92.8 percent likely to win, and Baltimore 7.2 percent. The benefit of making the two-point conversion over kicking the PAT was 3.7 percent win-probability points, while the loss via missing the two-point conversion over kicking the PAT was just 1.5 percent. Assuming the Ravens are a modest 50% on two-point conversions, this is easily the preferable decision.”

The result: Lamar Jackson threw incomplete to Nick Boyle on the two-point try, and the Ravens lost the game 33-28. On the day, Baltimore was zero of three on two-point tries. “We are going to keep playing that way, for the record,” Harbaugh said. “When you write your articles … we will disagree with your criticism. This is the way we are going to play all year.”

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:37 am

brian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:18 pm I have to kind of put the brakes on anointing Brissett on a basis of a couple great games against subpar defenses. It’s obviously good news for Indy but c’mon.

I'm with you here. Cautious optimism on my part. Even against a subpar defense you've gotta be real fuckin' on to go 16/16 in this league and that's everyone. No drops, no bad routes. Even when he went to something like 16/19, 2 of those were throwaways in the Red Zone, which is fine. I like the way he plays and I like his pocket presence. Defense came out a little flat in the second half but missing the best ILB int he league didn't help.

Good game. Colts have a shot at losing in the divisional round or the AFC champ depending on how things go. They could also go 8-8.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:53 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:37 am Good game. Colts have a shot at losing in the divisional round or the AFC champ depending on how things go. They could also go 8-8.

At this point, I'd be thrilled if the team I root for could make it up to "respectable".

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:12 am

BSF21 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:37 am
brian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:18 pm I have to kind of put the brakes on anointing Brissett on a basis of a couple great games against subpar defenses. It’s obviously good news for Indy but c’mon.
I'm with you here. Cautious optimism on my part. Even against a subpar defense you've gotta be real fuckin' on to go 16/16 in this league and that's everyone. No drops, no bad routes. Even when he went to something like 16/19, 2 of those were throwaways in the Red Zone, which is fine. I like the way he plays and I like his pocket presence. Defense came out a little flat in the second half but missing the best ILB int he league didn't help.

Good game. Colts have a shot at losing in the divisional round or the AFC champ depending on how things go. They could also go 8-8.

I don’t think Brissett is a star or anything but Frank Reich was an instrumental part of the Eagles staff that turned Nick Foles into a GOAT-level player in the 2018 NFC Championship and Superbowl. He’ll probably be able to get good production from Brissett.

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:51 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:45 pm What's up with the Rsms offense? Everyone has figured it out?

To my eyes there are several things most involving Gurley:
1) It seems on his rushes that many times he thinks there will be holes when there aren't so he has to change direction and gets stopped.
2) He only has had two rushes over 20yds this year with a long of 25. That home run threat in the past helped the p/a.
3) They aren't targeting him on p/a. He used to get lots of yards on screens and p/a. This is where the 'he's hurt" theory plays in.
4) Goff has been painfully slow at times on p/a. This has been a quick hit offense and you can't be giving NFL defenses an extra second when you've been running essentially the same stuff for two years.

All that said, I think they will be fine. I really like Malcolm Brown behind Gurley. The timing stuff will work itself out and they'll be back to putting 30 up a game. The defense has periods of utter dominance then disappears for stretches. I still think they are the best team in the NFC.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:37 pm

Ryan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:07 am WEEK 3 RECAP

I guess National Quarterbacks Holding On to the Ball Too Long and Getting Sacked League is too long for business cards?

🤣🤣

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:24 pm

Jesus H Christ, I just figured this was some rando Philly nutjob, but no...(shoutout to Dr. Chuck for the link)

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:06 pm

This Eagles game must have been amazing.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:31 pm

You really have to almost be in awe of Philly fans.

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:36 pm

Fantastic response.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:03 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:31 pm You really have to almost be in awe of Philly fans.

The stunning lack of awareness is as you mentioned, awesome.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:07 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:31 pm You really have to almost be in awe of Philly fans.

Nothing is more Philadelphia than everyone else there thinking this is totally normal behavior.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:13 pm

teeteebee wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:36 pm

Fantastic response.

Agholor went to one of the best HS in Tampa, so his response doesn't really surprise me. Counterpoint, so did Kristjen Nielsen.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:15 pm

Looks like Gruden Jr will be the first coach fired this season, maybe as soon as tomorrow.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:11 am

Really enjoying the overreaction to Trubisky's performance last night. He was about three blades of grass from being 24/31 for 195 with 2 scores and a brutal pick (I have no idea how replay overruled the call on that Gabriel TD catch). Before I fell asleep in the fourth quarter, he had thrown three passes (by my count) more than 12 yards downfield. Most of his throws were within four yards of the line of scrimmage. Even with their defense, its going to be hard to beat good teams with 14-play drives because you either do not or cannot throw downfield. Nagy mentioned "simplifying the offense" and it still is all gimmicks between the sheer number of personnel and how they are deployed.

Montgomery had six rushes for 19 yards before their final drive. That's two more carries than Cordarrelle Patterson.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:29 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:15 pm Looks like Gruden Jr will be the first coach fired this season, maybe as soon as tomorrow.

Well the story is he won't get canned before the Giants game.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:09 pm

EdRomero wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:54 am Is AB the first athlete to ruin a career because he couldn't stop texting and tweeting? He probably gets away with most of what he's done long term if he stays quiet.

Santonio Holmes didn't necessarily ruin a career but this seems like the next progression from his career.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:12 pm

brian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:18 pm I have to kind of put the brakes on anointing Brissett on a basis of a couple great games against subpar defenses. It’s obviously good news for Indy but c’mon.

There was also the entire 2016 season where he kept them competitive despite easily having the NFL's worst roster. This isn't a few games in the making.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:14 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:31 pm
bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:07 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:01 pm
bfj wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:33 pm
Rex wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:17 pm Can someone who is smart at football tell me what was the point of that drop kick by Baltimore?
No. No they can’t. So many shit decisions in that game.
What was the reasoning in going for the two point conversion down 30-19?
I’d love to hear the answer for that also. What was the point of going for it on fourth down from the 50 early in the game? So many coaching blunders.
I loved Harbaugh's aggressiveness throughout the game. I thought he was appropriately aggressive in every scenario except that 30-19 2-point attempt. That was bizarre. 33-30 probably changes the thought process of the drop kick and who knows what happens on the next sequence by the Chiefs.

(that said, the screen on third down was perfect)

It makes sense IF you're planning on going for two if you score to make it 30-29. In that case you want to go for the 2 pointer as early as possible so you know what you need to do the rest of the way.

Post by **brian** » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:07 pm

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:12 pm
brian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:18 pm I have to kind of put the brakes on anointing Brissett on a basis of a couple great games against subpar defenses. It’s obviously good news for Indy but c’mon.
There was also the entire 2016 season where he kept them competitive despite easily having the NFL's worst roster. This isn't a few games in the making.

To which I would have to reply Jared Goff was considered a bust after his first season and Mitch Trubisky was going to be a beast after the first few weeks of last year. I'm not saying Brissett is gonna be either a bust or a beast, but there's a tendency to overreact from week to week to QB play in this league with the younger, unproven guys (except for the ones like Mahomes where it's pretty obvious they've got "it". Lamar Jackson is a maybe a few weeks from getting that measure of respect as well).