Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part IV - Welcome to Stupid Watergate

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm

Caucasian pro athletes fall right in the heart of Trump-supporter demographics: white men with a lot of money but not a lot of higher education.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:37 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm Caucasian pro athletes fall right in the heart of Trump-supporter demographics: white men with a lot of money but not a lot of higher education.

That's good stuff right there.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:39 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:37 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm Caucasian pro athletes fall right in the heart of Trump-supporter demographics: white men with a lot of money but not a lot of higher education.
That's good stuff right there.

These guys probably aren't spending all day on the internet (goes to the whole ignorance part).

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:39 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:37 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm Caucasian pro athletes fall right in the heart of Trump-supporter demographics: white men with a lot of money but not a lot of higher education.
That's good stuff right there.
These guys probably aren't spending all day on the internet (goes to the whole ignorance part).

probably not, but you just know they follow Trump on Twitter (in addition to their own fraternity of ballplayers)

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:46 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:40 pm
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:39 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:37 pm
Joe K wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:29 pm Caucasian pro athletes fall right in the heart of Trump-supporter demographics: white men with a lot of money but not a lot of higher education.
That's good stuff right there.
These guys probably aren't spending all day on the internet (goes to the whole ignorance part).
probably not, but you just know they follow Trump on Twitter (in addition to their own fraternity of ballplayers)

I'd be surprised if a lot of ballplayers follow Trump or anyone political on Twitter.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:51 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:08 pmThat's a lot of words to say willfully ignorant.

Or, are you saying baseball players shouldn't be able to vote until they've cleared how many years of MLB service time?

Not being mature enough to know you’re not seeking out information you should is pretty definitively not willful.

And yes to not letting pro baseball players vote.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:52 pm

(I’d liken it to being religious right up until you’re not anymore. A switch flips for whatever reason.)

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:58 pm

Trump’s got like 40 million followers. I’d be surprised if too many baseball players didn’t follow him.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:20 pm

Trump is downtown tonight. I am not there.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:24 pm

brian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:58 pm Trump’s got like 40 million followers. I’d be surprised if too many baseball players didn’t follow him.

Is that a legit #, or including bots?

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:33 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:24 pm
brian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:58 pm Trump’s got like 40 million followers. I’d be surprised if too many baseball players didn’t follow him.
Is that a legit #, or including bots?

He also might be #1 in ratio of followers that are there for the train wreck value only.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 pm

All that is correct but he still has a shitload of followers regardless of the reason.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:07 pm

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:45 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:51 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:08 pmThat's a lot of words to say willfully ignorant.

Or, are you saying baseball players shouldn't be able to vote until they've cleared how many years of MLB service time?
Not being mature enough to know you’re not seeking out information you should is pretty definitively not willful.

And yes to not letting pro baseball players vote.

Fuck out of here with that nonsense. How can you honestly say they're "OK with supporting Trump" without being OK with tearing America apart?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:45 pm

Somewhere, every dead former President is rolling in his grave.

This is what matters to Trump...

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:56 pm

A FOIA victory for BuzzFeed and CNN puts Mueller back in the story

Some interesting tidbits...

According to Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump vacationed with a Russian oligarch three months before the election. When Trump told Bannon, at their first meeting in 2010, that he was weighing a bid for president in 2012, Bannon replied “for what country?”

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 pm

Interesting.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:55 am

The best description I heard, and I forget where exactly but it must've been a podcast, is that Trump is the first overtly asshole president. And because of that, he resonates on a level with others who are on that exact level.

It doesn't matter if those people are poor and would be voting against their own self interests. They are blinded by the fact that 'Fuck You' is the only political argument they need.

In other words a thousand times yes to that tweet.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:55 am The best description I heard, and I forget where exactly but it must've been a podcast, is that Trump is the first overtly asshole president. And because of that, he resonates on a level with others who are on that exact level.

It doesn't matter if those people are poor and would be voting against their own self interests. They are blinded by the fact that 'Fuck You' is the only political argument they need.

In other words a thousand times yes to that tweet.

It is the victory of the bully.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:42 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:22 pm Yeah, the ONLY downside to the Caps winning was being reminded that Ovie is a Putin knob-slobberer and TJ Oshie is a Trumper.

Oshie despite being from Seattle burbs did most of his high school years in a MN town of 1,781.
Ovie supporting the leadership that has treated him so well..

hard to hold it against them..even if you don't agree.

I work with a bunch of Russians and former Russian folks. Talking to them about their view of classic US films from the 80s where they were the bad guy is very interesting (Rambo, Firefox, etc). Especially when they talk about their movies.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 am

sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 pm Interesting.

Both culture and economic anxiety can be "the" issue. This is a core problem...talking heads trying to say "this is the one thing/reason/problem." Reality is a bunch of things can be the cause of something. Multiple little things make big things happen.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:12 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... nal&wpmk=1

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:21 am

GoodKarma wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:04 am
sancarlos wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:46 pm Interesting.

Both culture and economic anxiety can be "the" issue. This is a core problem...talking heads trying to say "this is the one thing/reason/problem." Reality is a bunch of things can be the cause of something. Multiple little things make big things happen.

Absolutely agree with this. Attempts to explain voting patterns based on only one factor are almost always oversimplifications. “Culture” and/or racism can’t explain why Obama did significantly better with those voters in 2008 and 2012 than Democrats have since. I think there’s something to Johnnie’s point about Trump’s crude form of “populism” having an appeal, particularly when you compare him to Romney (or to guys like Cruz, Jeb and Rubio that he wiped the floor with in the 2016 primary).

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:27 am

I know you guys are talking about something slightly different, but still, you guys are being too nice. This about gaslighting.

Tom Nichols explains it pretty well in this Tweet thread.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:43 am

Yeah - this is a corrupt self-interested demagogue who's trying to wipe his ass with the constitution and rule of law in order to make himself richer.

this is third world shit, and while people are clearly entitled to believe what they want, how many of these Trump supporters look beyond the flash of the controversial statements to see what these people are trying to do to the country?

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:24 am

Trump is scamming his supporters with fake contests.

Try to not be surprised.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:54 pm

brian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:24 am Trump is scamming his supporters with fake contests.

Try to not be surprised.

Can you imagine Trump having to sit through a meal with a random contest winner? I would love to watch him squirm through an hour of having to make small talk with MAGA moron. There is no way he could manage that.

Post by **brian** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:12 pm

Oh, I agree. It's doubly interesting for me since I live this stuff day in and day out. I know more about the law related to contests and promotions than I will ever be able to forget (assuming Trump is really not picking/honoring/announcing winners for these contests, he's violating several state and federal laws, though obviously at such small stakes relative to his other crimes that's it's like prosecuting Al Capone for jaywalking).

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:15 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:21 am“Culture” and/or racism can’t explain why Obama did significantly better with those voters in 2008 and 2012 than Democrats have since.

I think it can, because things like Ferguson and Black Lives Matter happened between 2012 and 2016. Obama was black (duh) but didn't threaten white privilege or supremacy. But then there was all this focus on police brutality against blacks and problems of blacks. Insecure whites got the sense that Obama/the Dems/liberal society cared more about black people than "people like me".

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:19 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-ent ... jzFXi1QJAQ

My wife watches a lot of really bad TV... sometimes I join her (Real Housewives of OC/NYC/Jersey), sometimes I don't (Keeping up with the Kardashians.)

A show I'll pop into occasionally is Dancing with the Stars... The above article is all about how the show is fucked because MAGA derpers are keeping Spicer on the show, pretty deep into the contest, despite the fact that he's horrible.

I'm finding it all very funny and very predictable.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:13 pm

Some people have time and very fast fingers.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:08 pm

Note that all the Republican talk about "the phone call" is irrelevant to all of this, since the phone call happened back in July, and all this happened a month later.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 pm

Well, also note that they are full of shit at every turn.

Sondland is doing this now because the GOP Senators, in their infinite wisdom, are trying to play the "sure, it was totally quid pro quo... but that's not enough to overturn an election and throw a president out of office!" bullshit.

Again, the simplicity of all this is what makes it deadly. Trump ordered a shadow foreign policy shakedown, holding up extremely important military aide so Ukraine would carry out a bogus investigation into one of his chief political rivals.

Boom. Done. One sentence.

All the other details, which btw are extremely damning... every single bit... Aren't all that important to the genpop. You can wave your hands dismissively all you want, you are defending a piece of shit at this point and you know it, deep down.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:46 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 pmTrump ordered a shadow foreign policy shakedown, holding up extremely important military aide so Ukraine would carry out a bogus investigation into one of his chief political rivals.

Even worse, Trump wasn't really looking for an actual investigation of the Bidens. He just wanted an *announcement* of an investigation.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:02 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:46 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 pmTrump ordered a shadow foreign policy shakedown, holding up extremely important military aide so Ukraine would carry out a bogus investigation into one of his chief political rivals.
Even worse, Trump wasn't really looking for an actual investigation of the Bidens. He just wanted an *announcement* of an investigation.

Yep. Just like the Democrat's server in The Ukraine. It's horse shit.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:09 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:54 pmCan you imagine Trump having to sit through a meal with a random contest winner? I would love to watch him squirm through an hour of having to make small talk with MAGA moron. There is no way he could manage that.

I think he would actually really enjoy an hour of non-stop showing off and bragging to some idiot sycophant that slurps up every word and goes home to tell his friends and family that it was "awesome" how much the president "loves McDonald's" and "is just like you and me".

Seriously, Trump would eat McDonald's with the winner.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:37 pm

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:23 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:46 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 pmTrump ordered a shadow foreign policy shakedown, holding up extremely important military aide so Ukraine would carry out a bogus investigation into one of his chief political rivals.
Even worse, Trump wasn't really looking for an actual investigation of the Bidens. He just wanted an *announcement* of an investigation.

I called it bogus!

:D

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:09 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:37 pm

Except it still works, because Trump's random verbal diarrhea defeats all facts and reality. Even when Trump says the exact opposite of what he said yesterday.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:06 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:09 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:37 pm
Except it still works, because Trump's random verbal diarrhea defeats all facts and reality. Even when Trump says the exact opposite of what he said yesterday.

If you distance yourself a bit from the specifics of this case, there is something vaguely satisfying about some rich guy paying a ton of money to get some classy title and then being put in the middle of a shit show that subsequently shows him to be a lying piece of shit and thus makes it hard for him to ever get another classy title.

Trump just fucks everyone who comes close to him.