2020: The Democratic Presidential Nomination Thread

[BSF21]

Amazing that through our democratic process we're now arguing on a national level about which old white guy is going senile faster. This is where we are.

[Steve of phpBB]

If Sanders defeats Trump aided by Bloomberg's unlimited resources, I'll let you have one (1) of my limbs. Your choice.

Has Bloomberg said he'd rather see Trump win than Sanders?

[govmentchedda]

[Nonlinear FC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Liz is out.

[degenerasian]

STOP BRINGING FOX NEWS TALKING POINTS INTO THIS THREAD

Done. It's been declared.

[Nonlinear FC]

Oh, sorry chedda.

[mister d]

But all of the sudden that same media you've been rightfully criticizing for how they've treated Bernie is all of the sudden going to take up his cause?

No one is saying "take up his cause", its just fucking reporting. If something is a lie, its a lie. If Bernie lies, he lied. If Biden lies, he lied. That's it. And that's before getting into how wildly dangerous it is for everyone outside of Fox(!!!) to pretend there aren't obvious and troubling signs of actual mental decline shown by a candidate to be president(!!!!!!!).

[Ryan]

Unless something crazy happens, looks like I'll be voting for a white guy candidate for the first time in 16 years

[mister d]

Has Bloomberg said he'd rather see Trump win than Sanders?

Have healthcare executives said they prioritize profits over lives?

[degenerasian]

So just Gabbard left? Why is she still in the race?

[Ryan]

So just Gabbard left? Why is she still in the race?

Huge time difference

[Steve of phpBB]

Has Bloomberg said he'd rather see Trump win than Sanders?

Have healthcare executives said they prioritize profits over lives?

So, that's a no?

[Johnnie]

STOP BRINGING FOX NEWS TALKING POINTS INTO THIS THREAD

Like, I'm baffled. This sentiment keeps being spouted in an unironic fashion. If Fox News is saying something and this very niche, very insulated board is mentioning it, are we perpetuating untruth or something? Does this have ripple effect to middle America?

We're like 40 white dudes (and a couple Asian dudes and sometimes 1 woman) talking shit and only we're listening to each other. We have no influence on America.

Quit the fucking bullshit.

(Reminds me of the time I posted a news story from ABC or CNN about an Airman who tried to commit fraud to get out of a deployment. And it just so happens that a person I know knew her. I was getting scathing "TAKE THIS STORY DOWN NOW!" comments on my post and being accused of perpetuating lies. Like...you realize me deleting this from my Facebook wall doesn't delete it from life, right?)

[mister d]

Has Bloomberg said he'd rather see Trump win than Sanders?

Have healthcare executives said they prioritize profits over lives?

So, that's a no?

Correct, these are both a no which means we have to just assume the best.

[mister d]

Like, I'm baffled. This sentiment keeps being spouted in an unironic fashion. If Fox News is saying something and this very niche, very insulated board is mentioning it, are we perpetuating untruth or something? Does this have ripple effect to middle America?

We're like 40 white dudes (and a couple Asian dudes and sometimes 1 woman) talking shit and only we're listening to each other. We have no influence on America.

Quit the fucking bullshit.

He's not worried about it gaining traction because "the sports frog" mentioned it, we just don't need to waste our time debunking shit Hannity says.

[Nonlinear FC]

Like, I'm baffled. This sentiment keeps being spouted in an unironic fashion. If Fox News is saying something and this very niche, very insulated board is mentioning it, are we perpetuating untruth or something? Does this have ripple effect to middle America?

We're like 40 white dudes (and a couple Asian dudes and sometimes 1 woman) talking shit and only we're listening to each other. We have no influence on America.

Quit the fucking bullshit.

He's not worried about it gaining traction because "the sports frog" mentioned it, we just don't need to waste our time debunking shit Hannity says.

Thank you.

[Johnnie]

Liz calls it quits.

[Nonlinear FC]

Liz calls it quits.

[Steve of phpBB]

Has Bloomberg said he'd rather see Trump win than Sanders?

Have healthcare executives said they prioritize profits over lives?

So, that's a no?

Correct, these are both a no which means we have to just assume the best.

Well, okay. Except that with healthcare executives and doctors and drug makers and hospitals, to the extent they are for-profit business entities, the executives have a fiduciary duty to maximize profits for their shareholders. So there's reason to be concerned about how much executives in any of these industries can prioritize lives versus profits.

With Bloomberg, there's only a reason for concern if you look at things through a prism of whether the person at issue wants to stick it to corporations billionaires and banksters. Is there evidence that Bloomberg is in favor of ethnic cleansing or Christianist domination?

If Bloomberg had something personally to fear from a Sanders presidency, then maybe there would be some reason to think he would choose White Nationalist Christianist authoritarianism over Sanders. But I presume he's smart enough to realize he doesn't.

[Johnnie]

Liz calls it quits.

Sorry, man. WiFi isn't the best here.

[degenerasian]

So the March 15 debate will be a one-on-one. Gloves will come off. No more, "my friend Joe".

[Jerloma]

If Warren endorses Biden, are we allowed to be skeptical?

[Nonlinear FC]

Liz calls it quits.

Sorry, man. WiFi isn't the best here.

Saul Goodman.

[mister d]

If Warren endorses Biden, are we allowed to be skeptical?

Endorses without getting the VP? You're allowed to be skeptical of her progressive bonafides, for sure.

[Johnnie]

Oh boy.

[tennbengal]

Like, I'm baffled. This sentiment keeps being spouted in an unironic fashion. If Fox News is saying something and this very niche, very insulated board is mentioning it, are we perpetuating untruth or something? Does this have ripple effect to middle America?

We're like 40 white dudes (and a couple Asian dudes and sometimes 1 woman) talking shit and only we're listening to each other. We have no influence on America.

Quit the fucking bullshit.

He's not worried about it gaining traction because "the sports frog" mentioned it, we just don't need to waste our time debunking shit Hannity says.

This.

[HaulCitgo]

Start with the people who don't ever have any interaction with the MSM. Half my office is blissfully unaware of almost everything.

This is the big thing, I think. We're all hyper aware, and my parents and inlaws don't pay attention to shit, which makes them way more susceptible to the white hot spotlight that's about to be shone on Joe.

Doubt it moves the needle. Accurate or not, Biden is a known quantity and his background has been picked to death already. It's always a referendum on the incumbent especially with a guy like Trump.

[brian]

[Steve of phpBB]

Warren's message to campaign volunteers:

Steve,

I’m going to start with the news. I wanted you to hear it straight from me: today, I’m suspending our campaign for president.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything you have poured into this campaign.

I know that when we set out, this was not the news you ever wanted to hear. It is not the news I ever wanted to share. But I refuse to let disappointment blind me — or you — to what we’ve accomplished. We didn’t reach our goal, but what we have done together — what you have done — has made a lasting difference. It’s not the scale of the difference we wanted to make, but it matters — and the changes will have ripples for years to come.

What we have done — and the ideas we have launched into the world, the way we have fought this fight, the relationships we have built — will carry through for the rest of this election, and the one after that, and the one after that.

So think about it:

We have shown that it is possible to build a grassroots movement that is accountable to supporters and activists and not to wealthy donors — and to do it fast enough for a first-time candidate to build a viable campaign. Never again can anyone say that the only way that a newcomer can get a chance to be a plausible candidate is to take money from corporate executives and billionaires. That’s done.

We have shown that it is possible to inspire people with big ideas, possible to call out what’s wrong and to lay out a path to make this country live up to its promise.

We have shown that race and justice — economic justice, social justice, environmental justice, criminal justice — are not an afterthought, but are at the heart of everything that we do.

We have shown that a woman can stand up, hold her ground, and stay true to herself — no matter what.

We have shown that we can build plans in collaboration with the people who are most affected.

This campaign became something special, and it wasn’t because of me. It was because of you. I am so proud of how you fought this fight alongside me: you fought it with empathy and kindness and generosity — and of course, with enormous passion and grit.

Some of you may remember that long before I got into electoral politics, I was asked if I would accept a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that was weak and toothless. And I replied that my first choice was a consumer agency that could get real stuff done, and my second choice was no agency and lots of blood and teeth left on the floor. In this campaign, we have been willing to fight, and, when necessary, we left plenty of blood and teeth on the floor. I can think of one billionaire who has been denied the chance to buy this election.

And we did all of this without selling access for money. Together, you and 1,250,000 people gave more than $112 million dollars to support this campaign. And we did it without selling one minute of my time to the highest bidder. People said that would be impossible. But you did that.

Together, we built a grassroots campaign that had some of the most ambitious organizing targets ever — and then we turned around and surpassed them.

Our staff and volunteers on the ground knocked on over 22 million doors across the country. We made 20 million phone calls and sent more than 42 million texts to voters. That’s truly astonishing. It is.

We also advocated for fixing our rigged system in a way that will make it work better for everyone.

A year ago, people weren’t talking about a two-cent wealth tax, Universal Child Care, cancelling student loan debt for 43 million Americans while reducing the racial wealth gap, breaking up big tech, or expanding Social Security. And now they are. And because we did the work of building broad support for all of those ideas across this country, these changes could actually be implemented by the next president.

A year ago, people weren’t talking about corruption, and they still aren’t talking about it enough — but we’ve moved the needle, and a hunk of our anti-corruption plan is already embedded in a House bill that is ready to go when we get a Democratic Senate.

And we also did it by having fun and by staying true to ourselves. We ran from the heart. We ran on our values. We ran on treating everyone with respect and dignity. But it was so much more. Four-hour selfie lines and pinky promises with little girls. A wedding at one of our town halls. And we were joyful and positive through all of it. We ran a campaign not to put people down, but to lift them up — and I loved pretty much every minute of it.

I may not be in the race for president in 2020, but this fight — our fight — is not over. And our place in this fight has not ended.

Because for every young person who is drowning in student debt, for every family struggling to pay the bills on two incomes, for every mom worried about paying for prescriptions or putting food on the table, this fight goes on.

For every immigrant and African American and Muslim and Jewish person and Latinx and transwoman who sees the rise in attacks on people who look or sound or worship like them, this fight goes on.

For every person alarmed by the speed with which climate change is bearing down upon us, this fight goes on.

And for every American who desperately wants to see our nation healed and some decency and honor restored to our government, this fight goes on.

When I voted on Tuesday at the elementary school down the street, a mom came up to me. She said she has two small children, and they have a nightly ritual. After the kids have brushed teeth and read books and gotten that last sip of water and done all the other bedtime routines, they do one last thing before the two little ones go to sleep: Mama leans over them and whispers, “Dream big.” And the children together reply, “Fight hard.”

So if you leave with only one thing, it must be this: Choose to fight only righteous fights, because then when things get tough — and they will — you will know that there is only option ahead of you: nevertheless, you must persist.

You should be so proud of what we’ve done together — what you have done over this past year.

Our work continues, the fight goes on, and big dreams never die.

Thanks for being a part of this,

Elizabeth

I wonder if her inability to do this in one-third the length was part of the problem?

[HaulCitgo]

And the colon in the first paragraph

[A_B]

And the colon in the first paragraph

The completely grammatically correct colon?

[brian]

Honestly this country gets the leaders it deserves. Including the current one.

[Nonlinear FC]

That's insanely long.

Jesus.

[mister d]

When I voted on Tuesday at the elementary school down the street, a mom came up to me. She said she has two small children, and they have a nightly ritual. After the kids have brushed teeth and read books and gotten that last sip of water and done all the other bedtime routines, they do one last thing before the two little ones go to sleep: Mama leans over them and whispers, “Tastes great.” And the children together reply, “Less filling.”

[Steve of phpBB]

When I voted on Tuesday at the elementary school down the street, a mom came up to me. She said she has two small children, and they have a nightly ritual. After the kids have brushed teeth and read books and gotten that last sip of water and done all the other bedtime routines, they do one last thing before the two little ones go to sleep: Mama leans over them and whispers, “Tastes great.” And the children together reply, “Less filling.”

Lol.

For what it's worth, I didn't even hear of the Dream Big Fight Hard slogan until I was at a Warren meeting. So I don't think it was a rousing success.

Speaking of (alleged) campaign mismanagement, I'd like to hear from the Bernie stans on whether they agree with the facts Kos lays out here:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3 ... e-that-way

[degenerasian]

You guys think the letter is too long? She did raise millions worth of your money and time. They shouldn't be short-changed on an explanation.

[L-Jam3]

If you're looking for at least a little good news., Tulsi Gabbard, who was represented by Hood's old firm, just had her 1st Amendment case against Google thrown out on its ass.

[A_B]

If you're looking for at least a little good news., Tulsi Gabbard, who was represented by Hood's old firm, just had her 1st Amendment case against Google thrown out on its ass.

You found that while looking for Pierce Bainbridge news, didn't you?

[L-Jam3]

No. I saw Hood commented it on Fuckbook.

[DSafetyGuy]

That's insanely long.

Jesus.

Sam Hinkie said it was too long a resignation letter.