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Post by mister d » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:03 pm

What's also fucked up is imagining what charges (and surgeries) a bystander who saved Floyd's life would be facing right now.
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tennbengal wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm
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Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove.
They stood and watched. If this were not a gang of police and instead the same thing happened with civilians, and three others stood around and watched someone choke someone to death, they would face the same charges - rightfully.
I agree. My only hesitation of getting a certain conviction, which is different than your scenario, is the power dynamic on the the job. These guys are on duty, three civilians are not.

Police are trained not kill some guy on the ground, you would think. So if I were a police officer, there's no way I would think my senior (if he was the senior) would keep his knee on the guys neck to kill him. Any second now, he's going to get up, any second now. He's trained as a police officer not to do that. That would be my defense.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

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degenerasian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:08 pm
tennbengal wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:51 pm
Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove.
They stood and watched. If this were not a gang of police and instead the same thing happened with civilians, and three others stood around and watched someone choke someone to death, they would face the same charges - rightfully.
I agree. My only hesitation of getting a certain conviction, which is different than your scenario, is the power dynamic on the the job. These guys are on duty, three civilians are not.

Police are trained not kill some guy on the ground, you would think. So if I were a police officer, there's no way I would think my senior (if he was the senior) would keep his knee on the guys neck to kill him. Any second now, he's going to get up, any second now. He's trained as a police officer not to do that. That would be my defense.
Going to have to move any trial on these charges to the moon for an unbiased jury, in any case. There's no fucking way anyone hasn't seen the footage and subsequently not be biased one way or the other.
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DSafetyGuy wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:15 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:08 pm
tennbengal wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm
degenerasian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:51 pm
Sounds like this afternoon Chauvin's charge will be upgraded to 2nd degree murder and the other three officers will be with aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

For Chauvin absolutely, for the three officers, i think that's going to be tough to prove.
They stood and watched. If this were not a gang of police and instead the same thing happened with civilians, and three others stood around and watched someone choke someone to death, they would face the same charges - rightfully.
I agree. My only hesitation of getting a certain conviction, which is different than your scenario, is the power dynamic on the the job. These guys are on duty, three civilians are not.

Police are trained not kill some guy on the ground, you would think. So if I were a police officer, there's no way I would think my senior (if he was the senior) would keep his knee on the guys neck to kill him. Any second now, he's going to get up, any second now. He's trained as a police officer not to do that. That would be my defense.
Going to have to move any trial on these charges to the moon for an unbiased jury, in any case. There's no fucking way anyone hasn't seen the footage and subsequently not be biased one way or the other.

Do you think they've held some footage back? The before and after perhaps?
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Police are trained not kill some guy on the ground, you would think. So if I were a police officer, there's no way I would think my senior (if he was the senior) would keep his knee on the guys neck to kill him. Any second now, he's going to get up, any second now. He's trained as a police officer not to do that. That would be my defense.
I think it'd be a solid defense. Here's the Minnesota aiding and abetting statute.
Subdivision 1. Aiding, abetting; liability. A person is criminally liable for a crime committed by another if the person intentionally aids, advises, hires, counsels, or conspires with or otherwise procures the other to commit the crime.
Especially with the upgrade to second degree murder, I don't see how the state could prove that these other cops intentionally aided in the intentional killing of George Floyd.

The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
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Post by A_B » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:25 pm

I feel like the one directly next to chauvin was also kneeling in an area that could potentially restrict breathing.
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NYPD Claims ‘Looters’ Put Bricks at a Brooklyn Corner Miles From Any Protest
There is one major issue with that story: VICE has confirmed the video was taken on a street corner in Gravesend, a part of South Brooklyn where no protests, looting or rioting actually occurred. Interviews with both workers in the area and location data from both Snapchat and Instagram show there were no protests anywhere near that corner.
Though several business owners in the area had seen or heard about the blue bins, all confirmed their street has been quiet; it’s worth pointing out, too, that Gravesend is extremely far from either Manhattan or Downtown Brooklyn, where many of the protest actions have taken place.
the person who originally posted it was Yaakov “Jack” Kaplan, whose bio says he lives in the Midwood area. Kaplan tweeted, in part, “Bricks have been placed strategically around Brooklyn in anticipation of protests. ANTIFA is way more organized than politicians pretend.” The video has been viewed more than a million times on Twitter.

Kaplan did not provide any evidence that the bricks were placed by Antifa. With the help of both Commissioner Shea and alt-right activist and conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, who reposted the video, it has now been viewed more than one million times.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by brian » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:30 pm

The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
Is there possibly a different standard for this for sworn peace officers than an average citizen?
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Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:23 pm
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:08 pm
Police are trained not kill some guy on the ground, you would think. So if I were a police officer, there's no way I would think my senior (if he was the senior) would keep his knee on the guys neck to kill him. Any second now, he's going to get up, any second now. He's trained as a police officer not to do that. That would be my defense.
I think it'd be a solid defense. Here's the Minnesota aiding and abetting statute.
Subdivision 1. Aiding, abetting; liability. A person is criminally liable for a crime committed by another if the person intentionally aids, advises, hires, counsels, or conspires with or otherwise procures the other to commit the crime.
Especially with the upgrade to second degree murder, I don't see how the state could prove that these other cops intentionally aided in the intentional killing of George Floyd.

The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
It'd certainly be a stretch, but could an argument be made (or have been made already) that if a policeman has an affirmative duty to protect life if there is no danger to themselves (again, if there is that duty on the books), by not pulling Chauvin off they were aiding in Floyd's killing?
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by L-Jam3 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:33 pm

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The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
Is there possibly a different standard for this for sworn peace officers than an average citizen?
Generally for the average citizen there is no duty to aid, despite what the Seinfeld finale would have you think, but that certainly doesn't apply across the board with peace officers.
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The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
Is there possibly a different standard for this for sworn peace officers than an average citizen?
I don't think so. Cops have some extra defenses, given that part of their job does involve physically subduing people. Which will make a charge even harder to prove.

If four of us tackled a guy and sat on him until he died, there would be no doubt that we all committed a crime. We aren't supposed to be getting physical with anyone. But cops are required by law to arrest people, which means physically restraining them and subduing them if the arrestee resists.

Failing to aid someone in distress might be a separate crime, but if there is such a thing, I don't think it'd be a serious felony.

I think it's a solid case against Chauvin for third-degree murder. But I don't know about the other charges.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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DSafetyGuy wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:29 pm
NYPD Claims ‘Looters’ Put Bricks at a Brooklyn Corner Miles From Any Protest
There is one major issue with that story: VICE has confirmed the video was taken on a street corner in Gravesend, a part of South Brooklyn where no protests, looting or rioting actually occurred. Interviews with both workers in the area and location data from both Snapchat and Instagram show there were no protests anywhere near that corner.
Though several business owners in the area had seen or heard about the blue bins, all confirmed their street has been quiet; it’s worth pointing out, too, that Gravesend is extremely far from either Manhattan or Downtown Brooklyn, where many of the protest actions have taken place.
the person who originally posted it was Yaakov “Jack” Kaplan, whose bio says he lives in the Midwood area. Kaplan tweeted, in part, “Bricks have been placed strategically around Brooklyn in anticipation of protests. ANTIFA is way more organized than politicians pretend.” The video has been viewed more than a million times on Twitter.

Kaplan did not provide any evidence that the bricks were placed by Antifa. With the help of both Commissioner Shea and alt-right activist and conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, who reposted the video, it has now been viewed more than one million times.
I haven't seen anything substantiated, but all the leftist social media I've been privy to has urged everyone to stay away from the brick piles as they've been planted by anti-antifa instigators.

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Post by DaveInSeattle » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:02 pm

And here come's Sen. Tom Cotton, auditioning to be the next Sec'y of Defense:

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One thing above all else will restore order to our streets: an overwhelming show of force to disperse, detain and ultimately deter lawbreakers. But local law enforcement in some cities desperately needs backup, while delusional politicians in other cities refuse to do what’s necessary to uphold the rule of law.
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:21 pm

One of the dudes involved in burning a police car on Saturday has been hit with federal arson charges.

The complaint alleges that federal charges are appropriate because "[t]he Salt Lake City Police Department regularly conducts business in interstate commerce, for instance by purchasing vehicles and other equipment and supplies in interstate commerce. The activities of the Salt Lake City Police Department in enforcing laws also affect interstate commerce."

I'm sure those "states' rights" people will be up in arms about this.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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Can we get Johnnie on this regarding the Lincoln Memorial? Isn't it a requirement under international laws of war, or at least (NPI) conventional that members of armed forces have identifying info like a name plate on their person?
I think their name tapes are on their uniforms but under the IOTV (Improved Outer Tactical Vest). As to the question, I don't think I have to identify myself at all. In fact, my name tapes and rank are velcro'd on in the event I get captured I can tear off everything.

Also, I have no full context about that photo. My hunch is that the troops are protecting federal property. I think it's the least that can be done. Looks like overkill to prevent defacing a national monument.

What I see are a bunch of military-dressed members with no weapons. And they are forced to wear face coverings because of COVID. Also, they are getting a little too extra wearing the nutflap and shoulder flap. Ounces make pounds. I didn't even wear that shit when I went to training. And I see a dude with a reflective belt! So dumb.

It's purely a show to try to be intimidating. You're not very effective with no weapon. And you're not running after me with a damn gas mask smacking your leg with every stride.
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Whoever makes these Lincoln Project ads is not getting paid anywhere near enough.

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Steve of phpBB wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:38 pm
brian wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:30 pm
The upgrade in Floyd's charge and the aiding-and-abetting charge against the other three are a political move designed to placate the protestors. Which is fine by me for now. But I would really be surprised if those charges went all the way to trial.
Is there possibly a different standard for this for sworn peace officers than an average citizen?
I don't think so. Cops have some extra defenses, given that part of their job does involve physically subduing people. Which will make a charge even harder to prove.

If four of us tackled a guy and sat on him until he died, there would be no doubt that we all committed a crime. We aren't supposed to be getting physical with anyone. But cops are required by law to arrest people, which means physically restraining them and subduing them if the arrestee resists.

Failing to aid someone in distress might be a separate crime, but if there is such a thing, I don't think it'd be a serious felony.

I think it's a solid case against Chauvin for third-degree murder. But I don't know about the other charges.
The Cafe insider with Preet and Anne Milgram from Tuesday covers this in detail. One key item is that cops now are trained to NOT restrain people in the manner they did Floyd as there is high risk of asphyxiation. Given that they are trained not to do that, and they still stood and watched, they felt aiding and abetting for the others has some legs. Add in that at one point one cop checked for a pulse, couldn’t find one, and they still didn’t move for two minutes...

This was recorded before the charges were upgraded. Anne clearly feels that murder 2 for Chauvin is not a stretch.

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Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
I heard the same, BoP riot guys. Not sure they are authorized to work crowd control on free civilians protesting, and quite sure they aren't trained for it. It's very scary, as they are trained to use maximum force to squash a prison riot as quickly and effectively as possible without concern for the safety of the prisoners. Not the guys you want on the streets at protests. I've also seen Border Patrol and Customs and Border Protection officers patrolling the streets. Again, I'm not sure if they are legally authorized to be there, but they quite certainly aren't trained for this. I know first hand that CBP and Border Patrol don't do a great job in screening out officers who aren't psychologically cut out for law enforcement, and I know it's gotten much worse since I left. Both are filled with wannabe cops and military guys who couldn't hack it the military or get into a police force. Lots of subpar intellects itching for a fight and drunk off the power of wearing a uniform, badge and service issued firearms.
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The Sybian wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:42 am
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm
Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
I heard the same, BoP riot guys. Not sure they are authorized to work crowd control on free civilians protesting, and quite sure they aren't trained for it. It's very scary, as they are trained to use maximum force to squash a prison riot as quickly and effectively as possible without concern for the safety of the prisoners. Not the guys you want on the streets at protests. I've also seen Border Patrol and Customs and Border Protection officers patrolling the streets. Again, I'm not sure if they are legally authorized to be there, but they quite certainly aren't trained for this. I know first hand that CBP and Border Patrol don't do a great job in screening out officers who aren't psychologically cut out for law enforcement, and I know it's gotten much worse since I left. Both are filled with wannabe cops and military guys who couldn't hack it the military or get into a police force. Lots of subpar intellects itching for a fight and drunk off the power of wearing a uniform, badge and service issued firearms.
There were fucking DEA agents out there yesterday. Like, the whackadoo gyrations Barr is making to justify these guys being put in the streets is insane... but wholly expected, of course.

But, yeah, my wife and I morbidly chuckled about these prison riot guys being put on the streets. Anyone that's watched a documentary or show about prisons knows that these are the absolute WORST kinds of people to put out there when de-escalation should be the priority.

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The Sybian wrote:
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:20 pm
Pretty sure they're with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is up under DoJ. I read where these guys are the prison riot guys.
I heard the same, BoP riot guys. Not sure they are authorized to work crowd control on free civilians protesting, and quite sure they aren't trained for it. It's very scary, as they are trained to use maximum force to squash a prison riot as quickly and effectively as possible without concern for the safety of the prisoners. Not the guys you want on the streets at protests. I've also seen Border Patrol and Customs and Border Protection officers patrolling the streets. Again, I'm not sure if they are legally authorized to be there, but they quite certainly aren't trained for this. I know first hand that CBP and Border Patrol don't do a great job in screening out officers who aren't psychologically cut out for law enforcement, and I know it's gotten much worse since I left. Both are filled with wannabe cops and military guys who couldn't hack it the military or get into a police force. Lots of subpar intellects itching for a fight and drunk off the power of wearing a uniform, badge and service issued firearms.
Yeah, this is not a promising development.
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I decided I needed to put my company's owners on blast this morning, so here's the feed from our company's #general Slack channel this morning.

Me:
Is there a reason we chose not to issue a statement on our social media feeds this week in support of Black Lives Matter? Was it something that was even discussed?
I’m not trying to stir any shit. I think there’s a discussion to be had that it was co-opted too often by Brandz™ trying less to express an opinion of sincere racial solidarity and more trying to sell something to people.
I know that Second Street believes that Black Lives Matter. I kind of wish we had let our customers know that though.

One of the co-owners (the liberal one):
Brian. We actually have an internal statement and steps forward for Second Street drafted for feedback on Tuesday. Happy to discuss before then if you like. Matt

Me:
I will offer one probably unsolicited and maybe even unwelcome opinion though and hope if the statement is coming a week later than it probably should have been that it leans more towards what Ben & Jerry’s did and less towards what the local carpet cleaning business down the road did.

Smarmy head developer:
Do you have links to what each of them did, for context?

Me:
The latter was sarcastic, but this is Ben and Jerry’s *posted link*
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Post by Steve of phpBB » Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Bow and Arrow Guy has been arrested and charged with three felonies.

He's a repeat offender with nearly 20 years in prison. And there were already charges pending against him for a road rage incident.

Complete dirtbag.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.

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Had a spirited meeting today where I essentially told one of our two owners (the conservative one) to fuck off.
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Had a spirited meeting today where I essentially told one of our two owners (the conservative one) to fuck off.
That's brave. Might he bring down the hammer?
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Post by brian » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:23 pm

Nah, things got smoothed out as we went on. But I'm actually not a very demonstrative guy at work, so I felt it was important for those guys to realize I'm not fucking around with this.
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Had a spirited meeting today where I essentially told one of our two owners (the conservative one) to fuck off.
Good for you. For real.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by brian » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:17 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
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Had a spirited meeting today where I essentially told one of our two owners (the conservative one) to fuck off.
Good for you. For real.
The other owner (the liberal) just called me and we had a good one hour conversation where he said he was really glad to see a white person in the company go off about the importance of trying to effect change as a company. I think this is going to be a lot of fun. I don't know what we're going to do, but there's a lot we can do like setting up a mentorship, job shadowing and internship program with a STEM high school in St. Louis to internal education for our cracker-ass employees from small towns.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by degenerasian » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:23 pm

brian wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:17 pm
DSafetyGuy wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:24 pm
brian wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:03 pm
Had a spirited meeting today where I essentially told one of our two owners (the conservative one) to fuck off.
Good for you. For real.
The other owner (the liberal) just called me and we had a good one hour conversation where he said he was really glad to see a white person in the company go off about the importance of trying to effect change as a company. I think this is going to be a lot of fun. I don't know what we're going to do, but there's a lot we can do like setting up a mentorship, job shadowing and internship program with a STEM high school in St. Louis to internal education for our cracker-ass employees from small towns.
Hope that all works out but I imagine you'll be up against a lot of red tape, this is a dumb idea people, and lazy people. How close are the two owners? Is this something that could split them? The no change guy usually win against the change guy.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by brian » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:28 pm

Nah, they're really tight and we're a small company (50 employees), so I don't think red tape is going to be an issue. Getting pushback from some people might be an issue, but most of the people I work with are pretty cool. I think the interesting part about this is that a lot of them are not necessarily averse to something like this, but that they've never really been exposed to it. This is a chance to turn some people who might be largely on the fence into allies.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by DSafetyGuy » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:15 pm

Buffalo, man. Cops simply shoved an older man down, then one police officer pulled away one who tried to help. You can hear someone say, "he's bleeding out of his ear".

Human fucking garbage.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by mister d » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:21 pm

Serious but stable condition. Two (of the ~40) officers suspended.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by Johnnie » Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:11 am

Trump shared a letter calling the peaceful protesters who got gassed the other day "terrorists."

New York State just seems to have suspended habeus corpus.

And I'm seeing various other videos of cops being ruthless.

Maybe we need to send in the military to fight the police.
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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by tennbengal » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:37 am

Johnnie - the documented videos of cops attacking peaceful protestors is in the several hundreds.

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Re: The Important Sounds of Things Falling Apart

Post by Joe K » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:15 am

mister d wrote:
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Serious but stable condition. Two (of the ~40) officers suspended.

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