2020 Presidential Election: Joe Biden vs Whoever the Republicans Nominate

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:44 am

Has anyone been following the South Dakota AG story? He was at a republican event Sunday, and hit and killed a person walking along the road on his way home, but reported it as he hit a Deer.

The Twitter feed is covering the story and is revealing a possible coverup.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:36 am

I mean, nothing surprises me anymore.

But it really is remarkable at the level of debasement of the office of the President that we have seen in a few short years.

Retweeted by the president of the United States - #pedobiden

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:40 am

Pruitt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:36 am I mean, nothing surprises me anymore.

But it really is remarkable at the level of debasement of the office of the President that we have seen in a few short years.

Retweeted by the president of the United States - #pedobiden

Who is that lady and why does Biden continue to do this shit??

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:42 am

Well, since that guy is standing at a VEEP podium this isn't campaingn recent.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:43 am

I love the idea of showing him touching a middle aged women to start a hashtag accusing him of pedophilia. "Well, he awkwardly touched a 45 yo woman's shoulders, so clearly he molests children." It's not like there isn't clips of him awkwardly touching children and smelling their hair, why use this?

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:44 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:42 am Well, since that guy is standing at a VEEP podium this isn't campaingn recent.

I'm also pretty sure that woman isn't underage.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:45 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:43 am I love the idea of showing him touching a middle aged women to start a hashtag accusing him of pedophilia. "Well, he awkwardly touched a 45 yo woman's shoulders, so clearly he molests children." It's not like there isn't clips of him awkwardly touching children and smelling their hair, why use this?

He didn’t kiss her, he clearly was telling her something. Anyways, I have to admit him touching people is kind of creepy.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:54 am

psunate77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:45 am
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:43 am I love the idea of showing him touching a middle aged women to start a hashtag accusing him of pedophilia. "Well, he awkwardly touched a 45 yo woman's shoulders, so clearly he molests children." It's not like there isn't clips of him awkwardly touching children and smelling their hair, why use this?
He didn’t kiss her, he clearly was telling her something. Anyways, I have to admit him touching people is kind of creepy.

Yeah, completely agree he whispered something, but the way he touches people makes me feel icky. You'd think he would have learned to stop doing that at public events with cameras on him, but it's just who he is. I don't think he means it in a sexual way, and I think he is trying to be a man of the people and is a genuinely warm person, but it just looks creepy, especially when he is with children. That said, I'm not hesitating to vote for him because while he looks creepy, Trump is creepy, and all the other stuff like the law breaking, fascism, kleptocracy, being a Russian stooge...

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:07 am

Yeah, but he better be thankful he is running against a stooge, a guy who every time he opens his mouth his approval drops as he says some of the dumbest shit, or his touching people would be a bigger story.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:03 pm

psunate77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:07 am Yeah, but he better be thankful he is running against a stooge, a guy who every time he opens his mouth his approval drops as he says some of the dumbest shit, or his touching people would be a bigger story.

OTOH, it's nothing new. The touching stuff all happened at televised events while he was VP or a Senator. It hasn't hurt him at this point, other than people making fun of it or calling him creepy. I do find it ironic hearing Trump supporters attacking Biden for it when they openly say they don't care about all the stuff Trump said and all the accusations against him. Biden only had the one allegation against him, and that disappeared really quickly.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:17 pm

Seems like Republicans are planning a October surprise that is going to link Hillary, Obama, and Biden to Russia interference into the 2016 election.. AG Barr may even throw indictments out on the 3 if you can believe that.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:48 pm

I can't remember if Bernie acted like this in 2016 after he lost, but he has been a huge dick to Biden. First yesterday he tweeted he was upset that Biden hasn't reached out to AOC or him, now his wife pretty much saying they don't like Biden..

https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/15/ja ... ith-biden/

In a time when we all should be together seems like Bernie is trying to sway his people not to vote or say shit about Biden. As I said before is anyone will get Trump elected, it will be the Dems as they have shown not to vote the last few elections.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:51 pm

psunate77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:48 pm I can't remember if Bernie acted like this in 2016 after he lost, but he has been a huge dick to Biden. First yesterday he tweeted he was upset that Biden hasn't reached out to AOC or him, now his wife pretty much saying they don't like Biden..

https://politicalwire.com/2020/09/15/ja ... ith-biden/

In a time when we all should be together seems like Bernie is trying to sway his people not to vote or say shit about Biden. As I said before is anyone will get Trump elected, it will be the Dems as they have shown not to vote the last few elections.

I dunno. I don't know about what was tweeted yesterday, but this thing from his wife seems like really small potatoes.

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:11 am

If i hear one more cop say they weren’t going to vote for Trump but Biden doesn’t support them so they have no choice...

Shut up Ponch. You voted for him before and nothing was going to stop you from doing it again.

I can’t wait to get out of this damn job.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:22 am

Moreta wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:11 am If i hear one more cop say they weren’t going to vote for Trump but Biden doesn’t support them so they have no choice...

Shut up Ponch. You voted for him before and nothing was going to stop you from doing it again.

I can’t wait to get out of this damn job.

Tell them Biden supports good cops, and nobody should support unchecked abuse of power, especially good cops. (I'm sure that will make you very popular in your department). But seriously, I feel for you having to bite your tongue and listen to them.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:49 am

If Biden did play that song in public, my opinion of him would certainly go up.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:01 am

I started to type, "are people really dumb enough to believe this?" But of course they are. There are millions of people who believe Biden's platform is "Destroy America," and a sitting President repeating this without getting called out for it.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:49 am If Biden did play that song in public, my opinion of him would certainly go up.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:28 am

I assume they're banking more on subliminal association than explicit belief.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:33 am

Hey, welcome back Moreta!

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:34 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:33 am Hey, welcome back Moreta!

Yeah I was wondering if I'd missed something. It's great to have you back!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:31 pm

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:43 am

Read the same stories on trump in 2016 fwiw.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:21 am

Biden's cheating to win Michigan. I figured it out.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:32 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:21 am Biden's cheating to win Michigan. I figured it out.

Smart. Beat them at their own game.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:19 am

At least their priorities are in order!

The University of Georgia will host football games, but not in-person voting, this fall

Only 38,000 eligible voters.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:43 am Read the same stories on trump in 2016 fwiw.

Weren't those part of the "he doesn't actually want to win" storyline? Theoretically, Biden does.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:50 am

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:43 am Read the same stories on trump in 2016 fwiw.
Weren't those part of the "he doesn't actually want to win" storyline? Theoretically, Biden does.

Biden is probably going to win because so many of the fundamental underlying conditions are in his favor. But I hope that Dems don’t then use his campaign as a model for how to run national campaigns. Among other things, the absence of a ground presence and minimal Latino outreach seem like pretty big strategic mistakes, even though they’re unlikely to actually cost him the election.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:00 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:50 am
DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:40 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:43 am Read the same stories on trump in 2016 fwiw.
Weren't those part of the "he doesn't actually want to win" storyline? Theoretically, Biden does.
Biden is probably going to win because so many of the fundamental underlying conditions are in his favor. But I hope that Dems don’t then use his campaign as a model for how to run national campaigns. Among other things, the absence of a ground presence and minimal Latino outreach seem like pretty big strategic mistakes, even though they’re unlikely to actually cost him the election.

I hope all of this is correct.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:28 am

Did Trump really say something like Covid deaths aren't that high cause you can take away the deaths in the Blue States?

What an asshat

Moreta · Post by **Moreta** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:22 am Tell them Biden supports good cops, and nobody should support unchecked abuse of power, especially good cops. (I'm sure that will make you very popular in your department). But seriously, I feel for you having to bite your tongue and listen to them.

I don’t bite my tongue. Everyone in my department knows I’m a commie socialist babykilling liberal feminazi. These morons get the lecture from me about every department not being as well trained and selective as ours is and the important of acknowledging the existence of bad cops, as well as examples of Biden being pro-law enforcement. I’m just tired of arguing with brick walls.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:27 pm

Moreta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 am
The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:22 am Tell them Biden supports good cops, and nobody should support unchecked abuse of power, especially good cops. (I'm sure that will make you very popular in your department). But seriously, I feel for you having to bite your tongue and listen to them.
I don’t bite my tongue. Everyone in my department knows I’m a commie socialist babykilling liberal feminazi. These morons get the lecture from me about every department not being as well trained and selective as ours is and the important of acknowledging the existence of bad cops, as well as examples of Biden being pro-law enforcement. I’m just tired of arguing with brick walls.

Good for you. My career LEO father lost his shit early in Trump's presidency when Trump was speaking in front of a police group and told them to stop being nice when putting suspects into the back of the car and slam their heads against the car. I find it really disturbing that any officer wouldn't be equally appalled.

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:53 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:27 pm
Moreta wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 am
The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:22 am Tell them Biden supports good cops, and nobody should support unchecked abuse of power, especially good cops. (I'm sure that will make you very popular in your department). But seriously, I feel for you having to bite your tongue and listen to them.
I don’t bite my tongue. Everyone in my department knows I’m a commie socialist babykilling liberal feminazi. These morons get the lecture from me about every department not being as well trained and selective as ours is and the important of acknowledging the existence of bad cops, as well as examples of Biden being pro-law enforcement. I’m just tired of arguing with brick walls.
Good for you. My career LEO father lost his shit early in Trump's presidency when Trump was speaking in front of a police group and told them to stop being nice when putting suspects into the back of the car and slam their heads against the car. I find it really disturbing that any officer wouldn't be equally appalled.

We've have a better understanding now that many of them are not appalled but probably actively seeking to that more often.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:50 pm

Yea, no shit.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:42 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:50 amBut I hope that Dems don’t then use his campaign as a model for how to run national campaigns.

I imagine a lot depends on whether future campaigns are also taking place during a pandemic. It's kind of hard to conduct campaign events or phone banking parties or canvassing efforts when we're all supposed to avoid group gatherings.

I was thinking about this for door-knocking. I've really enjoyed that. But even with a mask, I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it (even after my quarantine expires). The initial opening the door and saying hello is probably fine, but it's hard to have a conversation after that. You have to keep distance, and if you are trying to have a conversation over distance and through a mask, your natural tendency will be to project your voice more - which is one of the most common ways the disease is being spread.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:48 pm

Having a "ground presence" during a pandemic -- when your opponent is actively gathering lots of people into crowded spaces! -- is not the brightest of ideas when you're trying to get people to stop getting sick and dying

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:48 pm Having a "ground presence" during a pandemic -- when your opponent is actively gathering lots of people into crowded spaces! -- is not the brightest of ideas when you're trying to get people to stop getting sick and dying

I disagree that having masked volunteers ring doorbells is overly risky. I don’t see that as any more risky that Door Dash, grocery delivery, etc. There’s no evidence that the massive outdoor BLM protests spread the pandemic so I don’t think masked door knocking is a big risk. And the trade off to foregoing that is real when the Trump campaign is knocking on millions of doors.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:01 pm

In a pandemic, you shouldn't just show up at people's houses.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:08 pm

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:57 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:48 pm Having a "ground presence" during a pandemic -- when your opponent is actively gathering lots of people into crowded spaces! -- is not the brightest of ideas when you're trying to get people to stop getting sick and dying
I disagree that having masked volunteers ring doorbells is overly risky. I don’t see that as any more risky that Door Dash, grocery delivery, etc. There’s no evidence that the massive outdoor BLM protests spread the pandemic so I don’t think masked door knocking is a big risk. And the trade off to foregoing that is real when the Trump campaign is knocking on millions of doors.

Knocking on doors isn't the problem. It's the face-to-face raised-voice conversation after, which doesn't happen with Door Dash or grocery delivery. And I really doubt the Trump people are knocking on millions of doors anyway. Or that there are really that many undecided voters that haven't heard enough about the candidates that they would be swayed by someone knocking on their door.

Plus, even if it's true that the risks are minimal, appearances matter. "Joe Biden says we have to shut down football, but he's sending a million people to knock on doors!" Plenty of folks here had objections (reasonably so) when I said I planned to continue hiking on the woods around my house even though my daughter tested positive for Covid. Hiking in the woods has to be way safer than knocking on doors and engaging residents in conversation.

Informing potential voters about how to register or get ballots or vote ... that's important. But I think text messaging is probably better for that. (I went through Biden campaign text-messaging training yesterday so I could help in those areas when the time comes. It seems pretty thorough.)

Edit: Let the record reflect that Mr. D and I agree 100%. First time in this entire thread I imagine.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:14 pm

I had my first ever canvasser yesterday who was probably 18 at most. He asked me if I knew who Gary Gates was. I said yes and that I'm not voting for him. That was satisfying in a weird way.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:18 pm

Whether or not you believe them, the RNC said earlier this week that they’ve knocked on 12 million doors since June.

I view the moral calculus as similar to the justifications given by many Dems for the huge protests earlier this summer. While yes, it’s good to limit contact, some issues are important enough to justify it. Preventing Trump’s re-election, like racial justice protests, is one of them.