Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:04 pmLeverage or threaten them with what?
If they’re younger, threats of what they’ll force through in a post McConnell (age 78) world.
If they’re dirty, public airing or investigations if the situation makes it possible. If they’re Lindsay Graham or someone like him, exposure of whatever it is that has him lapdog to Trump. In theory, they should be furious about Garland and everything since to do more than grandstand, vote, lose and move on.
I think you’re overstating the effect of the first one. And assuming the second exists when there really isn’t much evidence for it.
I think murder threats are the only thing that could work. But those would be exposed.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Fuck it. They turned it into a banana republic. Might as well go full bore. Like make a DeepFake of McConnell getting railed by a big black porn star, put it on a thumb drive, and drop it off to him, telling him it goes out if he steps out of line.
My avatar corresponds on my place in the Swamp posting list with the all-time Home Run list. Number 45 is Paul Konerko with 439.
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
brian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:41 pm
Trolling appears to be the only thing that remotely works in shaming Republicans.
Nothing works in shaming Republicans. They either already have a sense of some things going too far, or they don’t. Even the threat of losing their seats only goes so far.
The only thing that works is keeping Republicans out of positions of power in the first place. Unless the Dem isn’t sufficiently “progressive” of course.
Yeah uhhh are people seeing the same 'Murica that I've been watching?
Pack a vest for your james in the city of intercourse
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
They'll have someone on the Court before the election, so that if/when Trump loses and contests the election (as you know he will) and takes it to the Supreme Court, the fix will be in.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
They'll have someone on the Court before the election, so that if/when Trump loses and contests the election (as you know he will) and takes it to the Supreme Court, the fix will be in.
They don’t need to. Right now the Court is 5-3 GOP.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Any Republican who sides with the Dems on this has to assume that he/she will lose their seat in a primary next time they’re up for re-election. The religious right has Roe v. Wade in their sights and this will mobilize them like nothing else.
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:55 pm
I don’t think and I don’t think they think Roberts is a lock.
Roberts has done as much as anyone to warp democracy in favor of the GOP. His opinion in Shelby County destroyed the Voting Rights Act. He has voted to enshrine partisan gerrymandering.
If it comes down to Biden vs Trump, no way does he rule for Biden.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 pm
Just got done muting the hell out of a bunch of words on twitter - McConnell, Ginsburg, Ginsberg, RBG and Supreme.
For my own mental health.
Thought about it. But right now I’m revelling in righteous anger.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:43 pm
"Just days before her death, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera: "My most fervent wish is that i I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."
I fucking hate everything right now.
ETA
This better make a democratic senator absolutely apoplectic in Congress and threaten McConnell.
No no no. It needs to make a republican senator apoplectic. It Susan collins wants to keep her seat here is the chance.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
You are 100 % wrong boss.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:41 pm
Call him out by name at least.
Whenever he does shit it's like your dad making a dad joke for everything.
He's fucking cringe. And he sucks.
God, it’s hard to imagine anything wimpier than Schumer saying “But McConnell said no justices in an election year.” Or calling him a hypocrite. And I think there’s about a zero percent chance that if Schumer had done that, you or Mr D or some others would’ve been impressed.
You’re not the audience. The political press is the audience right now. Throwing his words back at him and *showing* that he’s full of shit is a better move for that audience.
(Even the voters aren’t the audience yet. They don’t even know who Ginsburg was.)
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
You are 100 % wrong boss.
100%? Here are campaign-season quotes where he explicitly said he wouldn’t do it.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
You are 100 % wrong boss.
100%? Here are campaign-season quotes where he explicitly said he wouldn’t do it.
JFC dude you can’t be that naive. Yes, that is what Biden has *said*. But don’t y’all think Biden is a serial liar?
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:24 pm
Biden will never expand the Court to 11. He’s an institutionalist who cares way too much about being liked by Republicans. The entire ballgame is preventing confirmation before January (and also winning in November of course).
You are 100 % wrong boss.
100%? Here are campaign-season quotes where he explicitly said he wouldn’t do it.
JFC dude you can’t be that naive. Yes, that is what Biden has *said*. But don’t y’all think Biden is a serial liar?
We’ll see. But I’m confident in my prediction. Go ahead and bookmark my post. Biden will not expand the Court to 11.
ETA: Also, JFC, how could I be so naive to not think that the guy who helped Clarence F’n Thomas get on the Supreme Court won’t do this? I know you reflexively believe that every establishment Dem is awesome, but what exactly in Biden’s history makes you think he’ll take a radical step that hasn’t been done in decades.
AB, Brian, PDX, whoever ... tell me who out of Schumer, Markey and AOC put out a counter-political message in an impossibly serious moment and who went for likes on a cutesy tweet. RBG wasn’t room temp before McConnell declared her spot ready to be filled and of the three I listed you got one threat, one call to action and one lame zinger. So fuck Schumer and his false action and fuck off if you think the Dem leader in the Senate did anything of value tonight in the aftermath.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
What are YOU doing, homie? How much money have you given to swing state Senate PACs? How much time have you spent on the phone? How many emails or letters have to sent to swingy Congresspeople in your state? What are you doing except fucking complaining? Steve goes and canvasses and calls for people. I send money and call bank for my local state senate race. What the fuck are you doing, Homes? I’m doing this stuff even as I need to save money to leave. Go fuck yourself with your know it all crocodile tears while you sit on the sideline and kick your feet in the dirt like a baby. Fuck off.
I got my dander up and should say local county commission not state senator. But the point stands. What are you doing other than telling us you have all the fucking answers?
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 pm
Also gotta love how the unreasonable position here is me taking Biden at his word on questions he was asked with this exact scenario in mind.
There’s nothing reasonable about taking a politician at his word In one particular instance that suits you after you’ve spent months claiming he’s a serial liar.
Obviously neither you or I know what Biden will do if the Rs jam a replacement through. But you appear to be basing your prediction on the supposed fact that Biden cares too much about being liked by Republicans. *That* is nonsense. Biden was involved in ramming the ACA down the GOP’s throat when they united against it.
If your argument depends on ignoring the biggest legislative battle of this century, it’s just not a persuasive argument.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
mister d wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:37 pm
AB, Brian, PDX, whoever ... tell me who out of Schumer, Markey and AOC put out a counter-political message in an impossibly serious moment and who went for likes on a cutesy tweet. RBG wasn’t room temp before McConnell declared her spot ready to be filled and of the three I listed you got one threat, one call to action and one lame zinger. So fuck Schumer and his false action and fuck off if you think the Dem leader in the Senate did anything of value tonight in the aftermath.
This is the point. Schumer is the Dem leader in the Senate. He can’t go around crusading for radical changes during a campaign where the median voter is already predisposed to worry that the Dems have become too radical. Especially not before the body reaches room temperature.
Markey is just a Senator from a liberal state who has no national role or prominence. AOC is a rep from a liberal district who is already seen as radical.
They have different roles and have thus taken different approaches.
Plus, what evidence is there that if Schumer had made Markey’s statement, the Rs would be less likely to hurry a replacement through?
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
As soon as I heard the news last night I was overcome with anxiety. I am already not in a good emotional state, and have been considering insulating myself from news period for the next several months. Think I might have to try and do that.
Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 pm
Also gotta love how the unreasonable position here is me taking Biden at his word on questions he was asked with this exact scenario in mind.
There’s nothing reasonable about taking a politician at his word In one particular instance that suits you after you’ve spent months claiming he’s a serial liar.
Obviously neither you or I know what Biden will do if the Rs jam a replacement through. But you appear to be basing your prediction on the supposed fact that Biden cares too much about being liked by Republicans. *That* is nonsense. Biden was involved in ramming the ACA down the GOP’s throat when they united against it.
If your argument depends on ignoring the biggest legislative battle of this century, it’s just not a persuasive argument.
You’re playing rhetorical games to defend the establishment Democrat, as usual. You know damn well that Biden’s incessant career-long lying has been about his past “accomplishments,” particularly with respect to his biography, and not really about his future political intents. That’s how he became the guy who was first in his family to go to college, was the smartest guy at Syracuse Law School, participated in civil rights protests, and got arrested visiting Nelson Mandela on Robben Island.
That’s different from Biden saying that he would like to work with Republicans and that he opposes Court expansion, statements that are actually born out by his his highly relevant past work on the judicial committee - e.g., Clarence Thomas. Your argument conveniently ignores his years on that committee which is a lot more relevant than what he did in a non-voting role as VP on the ACA. Also, Biden’s history on legislative issues while VP is significantly less triumphant than you frame it:
Reminder that this discussion all started with being told that I’m “100% wrong, boss” by making a statement that I then backed up with *Biden’s own recent statements on the exact issue.* I’m willing to revisit this prediction in a few years, but to suggest that I’m being unreasonable is pure sophistry.