2020 Presidential Election: Joe Biden vs Whoever the Republicans Nominate

[Johnnie]

Voting = vomiting mom's spaghetti

[Johnnie]

You know what this tells me? Before you blame 3rd party voters who play spoiler, maybe you should question the single digit cohort within your own party as to why they went the other way.

[Johnnie]

Hallelujah!

[brian]

You know what this tells me? Before you blame 3rd party voters who play spoiler, maybe you should question the single digit cohort within your own party as to why they went the other way.

Why not both?

[Johnnie]

You know what this tells me? Before you blame 3rd party voters who play spoiler, maybe you should question the single digit cohort within your own party as to why they went the other way.

Why not both?

Because one is clearly a larger number than the other?

Why it's not 100-0 for Biden amongst Dems and 100-0 amongst Republicans for Trump is a far more substantial question to ask than "3rd party voters."

[brian]

Because people aren't binary in any way, shape or form.

[MaxWebster]

seems a decent exception to post this here

[A_B]

But if you look at the voter registration numbers, getting an extra two percent of the GOP plus six percent more of independents would be a 307,000 vote margin for Biden unless I did my math wrong.

Slightly more (by about 306,500) than Bush v gore.

eta: That of course would require 100% turnout, so that's not likely. My bad!

[sancarlos]

seems a decent exception to post this here

That’s awesome, Max!

[rass]

Pretty sure I had 18 emails from the Trump campaign just from after midnight today.

[sancarlos]

So, I talked with the wife, and we've kind of agreed that we will try not to turn on the television until late tomorrow evening. Because, I know as soon as I turn it on, it will stay on, and I'll get all anxious and nervous as I watch it all evening. Might as well try to delay the knots in my stomach for awhile.

[DSafetyGuy]

So, I talked with the wife, and we've kind of agreed that we will try not to turn on the television until late tomorrow evening. Because, I know as soon as I turn it on, it will stay on, and I'll get all anxious and nervous as I watch it all evening. Might as well try to delay the knots in my stomach for awhile.

You two should just watch a couple movies. Just leave the social media alone and watch channels that won't mention the election.

[Steve of phpBB]

Because people aren't binary in any way, shape or form.

And people retain a party identification long after their ideologies change. And some people just don't pay attention and don't really know what's going on with the parties. And others just say crazy shit to pollsters.

Florida Dems went for Obama 87-12 in 2008. If Biden really gets 91-7 among that group, he'll be doing fine.

[psunate77]

You know what this tells me? Before you blame 3rd party voters who play spoiler, maybe you should question the single digit cohort within your own party as to why they went the other way.

Trump was +3 in independents in 2016. If these numbers are true Biden will win Florida +4/5

[tennbengal]

Because people aren't binary in any way, shape or form.

And people retain a party identification long after their ideologies change. And some people just don't pay attention and don't really know what's going on with the parties. And others just say crazy shit to pollsters.

Florida Dems went for Obama 87-12 in 2008. If Biden really gets 91-7 among that group, he'll be doing fine.

For sure. Johnnie, it is never 100-0 within each party. Ever.

[Rex]

So, I talked with the wife, and we've kind of agreed that we will try not to turn on the television until late tomorrow evening. Because, I know as soon as I turn it on, it will stay on, and I'll get all anxious and nervous as I watch it all evening. Might as well try to delay the knots in my stomach for awhile.

You two should just watch a couple movies. Just leave the social media alone and watch channels that won't mention the election.

You could do the Kyle Whelliston Last Man Challenge, see how many days you can go without knowing who was elected the President

[mister d]

For sure. Johnnie, it is never 100-0 within each party. Ever.

Its not, but the logic holds for elections like this (or if it were a Republican with someone like Bernie/AOC vs a centrist). If you vote Trump now you're not a Democrat so you should reclassify.

[brian]

Here’s a good ad to share with that idiot you went to high school with.

[Johnnie]

For sure. Johnnie, it is never 100-0 within each party. Ever.

Its not, but the logic holds for elections like this (or if it were a Republican with someone like Bernie/AOC vs a centrist). If you vote Trump now you're not a Democrat so you should reclassify.

Yes, this. If there are people too lazy to change their affiliation and they are just "Democrats for Trump," them fix it.

Otherwise, shitting on the 3rd party votes is just as lazy.

[brian]

I know this is a propaganda rag but I wonder how much of this is fact vs wishful thinking.

[The Sybian]

Because people aren't binary in any way, shape or form.

And people retain a party identification long after their ideologies change. And some people just don't pay attention and don't really know what's going on with the parties. And others just say crazy shit to pollsters.

My father switched back and registered Republican so he could vote against a specific candidate in the primary. Then he decided to stay a registered R since my Mom is registered D (hanging fruit!) so they can have a vote in both primaries moving forward.

[duff]

I am currently registered as a republican. Mainly to vote for/ against candidates running for local shit. If not, I wouldn't need to vote in any primaries. Pretty red in my neck of the woods.

[Joe K]

I am currently registered as a republican. Mainly to vote for/ against candidates running for local shit. If not, I wouldn't need to vote in any primaries. Pretty red in my neck of the woods.

Conversely, I’ve lived my entire adult life in cities where it’s impossible for Republicans to win local elections. I think David Ortiz got more votes than the GOP candidate in one of the Boston mayoral races when I lived there, and St. Louis is similarly deep blue. So I could see Republicans who lived on those places registering as Dems so they could at least vote for the more conservative candidates in the Democratic primaries.

[Steve of phpBB]

I am currently registered as a republican. Mainly to vote for/ against candidates running for local shit. If not, I wouldn't need to vote in any primaries. Pretty red in my neck of the woods.

Hell, this reminded that I am also. I registered R to vote in the primary for governor (after voting in the D primary for president). I haven’t switched back yet.

Usually when polls are talking about party, though, it’s which party the respondents identify with, not how they’re registered. But when states are reporting how many ballots have been returned, it’s based on registration. So I’d be a D in a poll but my ballot is counted as a R having voted.

[tennbengal]

FYI - the washington examiner is pure propaganda and that above article is pure bullshit.

[Rex]

I’m not even sure what it means to register for a party.

[tennbengal]

[brian]

FYI - the washington examiner is pure propaganda and that above article is pure bullshit.

I do agree but there were signs four years ago that were dismissed by a lot of people. The only way Trump wins (regardless of veracity of that article) is if he grows the electorate by bringing in previous non-voters. But that doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

[tennbengal]

FYI - the washington examiner is pure propaganda and that above article is pure bullshit.

I do agree but there were signs four years ago that were dismissed by a lot of people. The only way Trump wins (regardless of veracity of that article) is if he grows the electorate by bringing in previous non-voters. But that doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

I have not discussed it in here, but the signs of fraying were apparent in district level polling four years ago. The canary in that dark coal mine, if you will. That same district level polling this time around does not show that at all - it instead shows massive gains for Biden as opposed to Hillary in those same districts and is in fact blinking warning signs for Trump. Haven't wanted to mention it because, I guess, jinx, but that outlet and that article is pretty spurious.

[tennbengal]

Here's where I got a lot of that from - which helped me chill a bit two weeks ago. Re-reading it tonight:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... revealing/

[brian]

FYI - the washington examiner is pure propaganda and that above article is pure bullshit.

I do agree but there were signs four years ago that were dismissed by a lot of people. The only way Trump wins (regardless of veracity of that article) is if he grows the electorate by bringing in previous non-voters. But that doesn’t seem so far-fetched.

I have not discussed it in here, but the signs of fraying were apparent in district level polling four years ago. The canary in that dark coal mine, if you will. That same district level polling this time around does not show that at all - it instead shows massive gains for Biden as opposed to Hillary in those same districts and is in fact blinking warning signs for Trump. Haven't wanted to mention it because, I guess, jinx, but that outlet and that article is pretty spurious.

Oh I’ve seen those stories too and I appreciate you talking me off the ledge as your logic is sold, but I’m just going to go ahead and fixate in fear on that possibility anyway.

[tennbengal]

Since I am determined to combat my fears, this was heartening as well from tonight:

[tennbengal]

[DaveInSeattle]

But hey....Aubrey Huff things Trump is going to win California! And Massachusetts! And Illinois!

[Johnnie]

This video is interesting:



Man, I'd love to see a blue Texas.

[brian]

It’s a weird feeling to know the Republic might have about 24 hours to live, effectively.

[sancarlos]

[Johnnie]

If you read the thread within the quoted tweet, it appears that there is a worry that Election Day ballots could get tossed because those have to be in a building. Only 1/10 of those drive up voting areas qualifies as a building. It appears drive up voting was only for early voting.

It doesn't take the sting off of making voting easier, but I get why they had to make the call.

[brian]

[DaveInSeattle]