The WH Transition Thread --- all things Trump to Biden until Inauguration

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:25 pm

3rd stage of grief? (Bargaining)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:01 am

This whole 12th Amendment thing is just so nuts to me. The VP has sole authority to choose the next president?

Why didn't Al Gore think of that??

If Democrats don't go after this hard after these traitors once Biden is sworn in, then they are effectively saying "at some point in the future this will happen again with a more cunning and well positioned set of arguments and we're totally cool with that."

The fact that I have to care about procedural nonsense that certifies what is already known is bullshit. I'm honestly sick of this shit.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:28 am

Interesting list. Any connection or common reasoning?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:55 am

Looks like Dems + Sanders + Paul who object to the spending and Republican sycophants. Booker might be the oddest name on there.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:24 pm

Your daily reminder that Ted Cruz is a flaming ass-hat...

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 5:59 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:24 pm Your daily reminder that Ted Cruz is a flaming ass-hat...

"Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."
~ Al Franken

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:29 pm

Not sure what will happen on Wednesday, but with so many Reps objecting, a huge march in DC, and now this, it has the possibilities of violence and being ab huge shit show.

Post by **brian** » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:03 pm

psunate77 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:29 pm

Not sure what will happen on Wednesday, but with so many Reps objecting, a huge march in DC, and now this, it has the possibilities of violence and being ab huge shit show.

Since the cops are in cohoots with the Nazis/Proud Boys, probably not.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:06 am

All this shit is showing is who among the R’s is gunning to take Trumps mantle. Gotta line up behind the crazies to have their support in 24.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:16 am

Right, and they're all going to look like idiots when the first primary polls show up in 2 years and either DJT or DJTJr is leading by 20 percent.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:10 pm

but the zelensky call was perfect

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:17 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:10 pm but the zelensky call was perfect

ha

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:31 pm

You're referencing this, right?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:41 pm

If we still had rule of law in this country, he would be boarding a helicopter right now after resigning.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:45 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 4:31 pm You're referencing this, right?

You know he made the same call to Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

How the fuck is that not illegal?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:13 pm

It's illegal.

But, and once again, laws are only words on a piece of paper. If no one will obey them or enforce them, they are meaningless.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:19 pm

I bet this is the term where Pelosi gets serious.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:47 pm

I can't help but be amused that the Washington Post had this story ready to go, but held it until Cruz, Johnson, and the other Republican fucknuts went on the Sunday shows to go on record about their support for Trump.

Not that it will matter at all to them. They gotta have some shame before they can be ashamed.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:45 pm

The madness will not stop...

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:16 pm

That doesn’t matter even a little, but the Dems should spend Jordan’s day tweeting stories about his coverup.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:08 pm

How anyone taking a phone call with Trump should respond:

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:17 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:39 am

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:45 am

The subreddit r/Conservative is basically the rah-rah club once "The Donald" was pushed out of existence.

Their thread for this news seems to be actually have ashamed posters for the most part over all of this. Interesting. It's still a garbage subreddit with garbage humans, but they seem defeated and resigned to a Biden presidency.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:55 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:39 am

Man with bible verse in his Twitter bio. You gotta love the duality of these people.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:39 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:13 pm It's illegal.

But, and once again, laws are only words on a piece of paper. If no one will obey them or enforce them, they are meaningless.

In all honesty, I don’t see how anyone could prosecute that without evidence that Trump knew the stuff he was saying is false. In the words used on the call, Trump is telling Raffensperger to *correct* fraud, not commit fraud.

Like so much of what Trump and the Rs are doing, this is a breach of the fundamental principles of democracy ... but probably doesn’t violate any written laws.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:54 am

"I just want to find 11,780 votes" when the margin is 11,779 sure doesn't sound like simply asking for a correction.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:22 am

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:54 am "I just want to find 11,780 votes" when the margin is 11,779 sure doesn't sound like simply asking for a correction.

Right, but he said that in the context of all the other statements about how he won by hundreds of thousands of votes and how there were so many fraudulent Biden votes from dead people, non-residents, machine shenanigans, etc.

With hundreds of thousands of clearly fraudulent votes, it shouldn’t be hard to find 12,000 of them and make the result correct.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:24 am

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:39 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:13 pm It's illegal.

But, and once again, laws are only words on a piece of paper. If no one will obey them or enforce them, they are meaningless.
In all honesty, I don’t see how anyone could prosecute that without evidence that Trump knew the stuff he was saying is false. In the words used on the call, Trump is telling Raffensperger to *correct* fraud, not commit fraud.

Like so much of what Trump and the Rs are doing, this is a breach of the fundamental principles of democracy ... but probably doesn’t violate any written laws.

I really don't know if Trump believes his claims, but I lean towards thinking he talked himself into believing he was cheated. It comes with the Narcissistic Personality Disorder, they are unable to process being wrong or losing, so their defense is creating elaborate reasons that something isn't there fault. Even when it comes to foreign policy or national security, he chooses to believe wacko conspiracy theories anonymous internet trolls pump out or FoxNews, rather than listening to the Intel community. He has constantly repeated baseless allegations as intel while ignoring actual intel. Like that explosion in Beirut. "Many people are saying it was Iran, but we will see." What the fuck dude, you are the President, you can't wildly speculate and dispense baseless conspiracy theories, listen to the fucking CIA and other Agencies. He did this dozens of times. He will believe any random internet troll that says what he wants to believe over facts and hard evidence.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:42 am

I think the evidence that he's lying is when he says he needs the 11,780 votes. That implies that he knows he lost by that much. Everything else is just "my dog ate it".

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:45 am

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:42 am I think the evidence that he's lying is when he says he needs the 11,780 votes. That implies that he knows he lost by that much. Everything else is just "my dog ate it".

Well, yeah. We all know the *officially reported* figures say that Trump lost by that number. But those figures are fraudulent.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:47 am

That's the "my dog ate it" part. Maybe it's relevant to an insanity defense, but it doesn't make his statement less fraudulent.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:50 am

I mean, if I rob a bank, I can say that the bank got that money by defrauding poor people. I might be right, but that doesn't make me less guilty of robbing the bank.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:01 am

Rex wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:50 am I mean, if I rob a bank, I can say that the bank got that money by defrauding poor people. I might be right, but that doesn't make me less guilty of robbing the bank.

Yes but the statutes that criminalize bank robbery don’t require knowledge or willfulness on your part or rely on your saying or doing things you know to be false.

Here’s a link to the statute people are arguing that Trump violated. A prosecution would clearly require proof beyond a reasonable doubt of what Trump “knew”.

Edit: Better link:

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:17 am

That’s a pretty terrible requirement for scienter.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:27 am

The better argument might be that it actually was a settlement communication, because in that context people will say things that they would not otherwise say. And the parties to a settlement communication know that the truth is irrelevant to what they are doing.

I struggle with how you could possibly settle lawsuits like the ones that have been filed against the SoS, however.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:29 am

I'm really not at all focused on the federal law, just Georgia. This is a place where not very long ago, the loser in a sheriff election straight up murdered the guy who beat him. I'm not sure Georgia can take this sitting down, especially if the state executive branch flips next year.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:29 am

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:39 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:13 pm It's illegal.

But, and once again, laws are only words on a piece of paper. If no one will obey them or enforce them, they are meaningless.
In all honesty, I don’t see how anyone could prosecute that without evidence that Trump knew the stuff he was saying is false. In the words used on the call, Trump is telling Raffensperger to *correct* fraud, not commit fraud.

Like so much of what Trump and the Rs are doing, this is a breach of the fundamental principles of democracy ... but probably doesn’t violate any written laws.

(Takes gun to store - holds it up at clerk)

"YOU HAVE MY MONEY IN THAT REGISTER. GIVE IT"

(in all honesty, can't prosecute he thought money was his)

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:38 am

It's obvious no matter what the Constitution says or what has to be done by law, they are going to pull shit on Jan 6th... I just hope the Dems have a spine to stand up to them and not roll over like they have in the past.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:41 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:29 am
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:39 am
tennbengal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:13 pm It's illegal.

But, and once again, laws are only words on a piece of paper. If no one will obey them or enforce them, they are meaningless.
In all honesty, I don’t see how anyone could prosecute that without evidence that Trump knew the stuff he was saying is false. In the words used on the call, Trump is telling Raffensperger to *correct* fraud, not commit fraud.

Like so much of what Trump and the Rs are doing, this is a breach of the fundamental principles of democracy ... but probably doesn’t violate any written laws.
(Takes gun to store - holds it up at clerk)

"YOU HAVE MY MONEY IN THAT REGISTER. GIVE IT"

(in all honesty, can't prosecute he thought money was his)

To play Devil's Advocate here, if Trump truly believes there was voter fraud, he is asking the person in charge of preventing voter fraud to prevent voter fraud. Assuming he actually believes it, he is just asking the SoS to do his job. Sure, he sounds like a mafia boss carefully veiling threats and there is absolutely zero evidence of widespread voter fraud and he already exhausted all of his court remedies without providing a shred of evidence. BTW, for the "most tremendous negotiator in the history of the world," he sure sounds a lot like a 6 year old trying to persuade their parents into letting them eat a second dessert or something. He truly has the mind of a young child.