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mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Oh I think Rass knew.Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:27 am AB has it right.
I knew I should've linked this in my post:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mocking-spongebob
Yeah... me too.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:54 pm With the recent Joss Whedon headlines, I looked up his IMDB page. I've heard the name forever, and I knew he did SciFy/fantasy type stuff, but I get his work and JJ Abrams confused. Looking at his Whedon's page, the only thing I've seen is the Dr. Horrible web series during the writers' strike. Unless you count that he was a writer on Roseanne, which I don't think he is really know for. Looking at Abram's page, I didn't do much better. I watched a season or two of Lost back when Netflix was a mailing DVD service before giving up and I watched the first few episodes of Alias. Beyond that, nothing. I really wanted to see 11.22.63 after reading the book, I should look for that. I've got nothing against SciFy, but in retrospect I guess I really don't seek it out, either.
ETA: Extra note of embarrassment, I get Joss Whedon and Wil Wheaton confused.
Try 17 times! I know its been said before, but I will never understand how anyone can watch that show. I've tried a couple times and it is just horrendously unfunny. I do love whoever posted clips with the laugh track removed, that I could watch. While I'm shitting on popular things, I don't think Kaley Cuoco is pretty. She is the general outline of what is supposed to be hot, but I don't find her attractive.Pruitt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:32 pmYeah... me too.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:54 pm With the recent Joss Whedon headlines, I looked up his IMDB page. I've heard the name forever, and I knew he did SciFy/fantasy type stuff, but I get his work and JJ Abrams confused. Looking at his Whedon's page, the only thing I've seen is the Dr. Horrible web series during the writers' strike. Unless you count that he was a writer on Roseanne, which I don't think he is really know for. Looking at Abram's page, I didn't do much better. I watched a season or two of Lost back when Netflix was a mailing DVD service before giving up and I watched the first few episodes of Alias. Beyond that, nothing. I really wanted to see 11.22.63 after reading the book, I should look for that. I've got nothing against SciFy, but in retrospect I guess I really don't seek it out, either.
ETA: Extra note of embarrassment, I get Joss Whedon and Wil Wheaton confused.
I think Wil Wheaton was on "Big Bang Theory" once or twice. Otherwise, I have no idea.
She's Saturday morning, walking around in her sweats in the co-ed dorm hot.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:44 pmTry 17 times! I know its been said before, but I will never understand how anyone can watch that show. I've tried a couple times and it is just horrendously unfunny. I do love whoever posted clips with the laugh track removed, that I could watch. While I'm shitting on popular things, I don't think Kaley Cuoco is pretty. She is the general outline of what is supposed to be hot, but I don't find her attractive.Pruitt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:32 pmYeah... me too.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:54 pm With the recent Joss Whedon headlines, I looked up his IMDB page. I've heard the name forever, and I knew he did SciFy/fantasy type stuff, but I get his work and JJ Abrams confused. Looking at his Whedon's page, the only thing I've seen is the Dr. Horrible web series during the writers' strike. Unless you count that he was a writer on Roseanne, which I don't think he is really know for. Looking at Abram's page, I didn't do much better. I watched a season or two of Lost back when Netflix was a mailing DVD service before giving up and I watched the first few episodes of Alias. Beyond that, nothing. I really wanted to see 11.22.63 after reading the book, I should look for that. I've got nothing against SciFy, but in retrospect I guess I really don't seek it out, either.
ETA: Extra note of embarrassment, I get Joss Whedon and Wil Wheaton confused.
I think Wil Wheaton was on "Big Bang Theory" once or twice. Otherwise, I have no idea.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
Wil Hweaton was also an extra in the underrated 80s time-capsule, The Last Starfighter.
Family Feud host
Not my best category. As you saw last night.
He was a good follow but he was canceled - I think it was for tentatively defending a friend who was accused of being abusive. Or maybe just not denouncing him.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
It's ridiculous because the Hardwick story was from a lone accusation of a pretty clearly was an unstable person with a serious ax to grind. So to cancel Wheaton over that is nonsense.
I'm not done with the show yet, but it gets *a lot better* in S2. S1 is a lot of world-building.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:54 pmWe've watched the first couple of episodes of this. Can't quite decide on it yet.
Keep at it. Halfway through S1 should be enough.EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:18 pmI'm not done with the show yet, but it gets *a lot better* in S2. S1 is a lot of world-building.DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:54 pmWe've watched the first couple of episodes of this. Can't quite decide on it yet.
Yup, don't say that too loud though or a thousand white knights and anti-men activists will come after you.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:14 pmIt's ridiculous because the Hardwick story was from a lone accusation of a pretty clearly was an unstable person with a serious ax to grind. So to cancel Wheaton over that is nonsense.
Wheaton is also kind of active on Facebook.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
I was drafting a more strident defense of both, but ran out of steam.Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:51 pmYup, don't say that too loud though or a thousand white knights and anti-men activists will come after you.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:14 pmIt's ridiculous because the Hardwick story was from a lone accusation of a pretty clearly was an unstable person with a serious ax to grind. So to cancel Wheaton over that is nonsense.
Wheaton is also kind of active on Facebook.
And don't dare defend your friend either. The internet is always right.
https://www.nealdavislaw.com/blog/sex-c ... ns-dropped
cancelingNonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:11 pmI was drafting a more strident defense of both, but ran out of steam.Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:51 pmYup, don't say that too loud though or a thousand white knights and anti-men activists will come after you.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:14 pmIt's ridiculous because the Hardwick story was from a lone accusation of a pretty clearly was an unstable person with a serious ax to grind. So to cancel Wheaton over that is nonsense.
Wheaton is also kind of active on Facebook.
And don't dare defend your friend either. The internet is always right.
https://www.nealdavislaw.com/blog/sex-c ... ns-dropped
What the cancel culture folks don't seem to understand* is that when you say "believe all women" you put a huge dent in the credibility of another wise worthy movement.
* I suspect many in the groups you mention understand, they just don't care because they get off on the cancelation.
There are publically disclosed accusations and many, many more that never become public. We need to enable a culture of understanding and resolve to root out and reject toxic individuals that put fear into accusers who wan't to come forward but fear reprisal. They need to be protected.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:11 pmI was drafting a more strident defense of both, but ran out of steam.
What the cancel culture folks don't seem to understand* is that when you say "believe all women" you put a huge dent in the credibility of another wise worthy movement.
* I suspect many in the groups you mention understand, they just don't care because they get off on the cancelation.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.
He's also beer nerd that collaborated (collaborates with) Stone on a pretty good stout. He was pouring beer at the bar you and I went to in the Tenderloin when my wife and I first there (it was during SF Beer Week.)
I know its not what you're getting at, but so many predators rely on the knowledge it'll be nearly impossible to "prove" what they did. That can't be the standard for believing an accuser.
That was a really good stout. I just saw it on a shelf a few weeks ago and got excited they brought it back, but no, it was a 5 year old bottle that resurfaced.
I don't think bystander syndrome factors in power dynamics.
I mean yes and no. There's only power dynamics in a limited person setting and there's always more power in numbers. Can't fire them all so to speak. If someone is being an asshole its incumbent on others to speak up and support the wronged party. Bullies are only bullies until they get popped in the mouth. I'd like to think that if director says something to person A and persons B C D and E all stop and go "woah, out of line" there's not a lot to the power dynamic there. Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but this doesn't seem to be a locked in a room and S my D to get this part or I'll drub you out of Hollywood type stuff. I have admittedly not read a ton of it, I have very little bandwidth for actor/hollywood drama in general.
And if you work for a guy like Joe Scarborough, you wind up dead. [I don't believe Scarborough was involved]Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:39 am The similar dynamic I have personal experience with is politics, and I can tell you it gets very fucked up from a dynamics sense. I don't care how many letters in an alphabet, if an MoC is acting like an asshole it takes a pretty serious incident for someone to speak up. Who are they going to tell, frankly? I could go into more specifics, but the bottom line is that you don't want to lose a pretty plum position AND if you try to leave an office and your bosses* think you're going to spread shit around about the Rep, they will torpedo that shit toot-sweet.
* - It's not just the Member who can fuck with you. Depending upon your position, you can have a Chief of Staff, an Administrative Assistant (misleading as fuck title), or Legislative Director that are all capable of fucking with you in Washington. And depending on how long they've been around, it extends off the Hill.
It's different on the Senate side, just because there are ton more staffers around and it's generally just a more chilled out and professional atmosphere over there. But, as we all know, there are still examples of a'holes roaming the halls of Hart, Russell and Dirksen.
Apologies for getting Clintonian, but I don't think it's supposed to be "believe all women," but "believe women." In other words, don't start from the premise that a claim is made up. Take the allegations seriously but also apply a critical eye.Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:43 pmThere are publically disclosed accusations and many, many more that never become public. We need to enable a culture of understanding and resolve to root out and reject toxic individuals that put fear into accusers who wan't to come forward but fear reprisal. They need to be protected.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:11 pmI was drafting a more strident defense of both, but ran out of steam.
What the cancel culture folks don't seem to understand* is that when you say "believe all women" you put a huge dent in the credibility of another wise worthy movement.
* I suspect many in the groups you mention understand, they just don't care because they get off on the cancelation.
There are also people who make false accusations for the clout and opportunity to feel better about themselves. These people need to be shunned and be given advise to sell help.
It kinda says a lot when the first place you go to is a blog post instead of the authorities. Not saying you can't, but that screams "petty revenge" more than "correcting a wrong and helping to prevent future wrongs." And really, go to Ronan Farrow before you go to Jezebel or a site like it.
The only way this works is you have a strict adherence to "innocent until proven guilty" and let the proper authorities investigate. Take the accusations seriously, but make sure they're legitimate.
Unfortunately, the Twitter Mob will clamp to sides, and everyone gets drug through the mud in the process -- except the keyboard warriors inciting it all.
mister d wrote:Couldn't have pegged me better.
EnochRoot wrote:I mean, whatever. Johnnie's all hot cuz I ride him.