NFL Draft 2021

[sancarlos]

Is this tomorrow or next week. If tomorrow I am in just to subject you guys to my colonoscopy prep.

Next week.

Ah well.

Colonoscopy prep is very illuminating. You never know how much crap is still in your body after you crap until you prep for a colonoscopy.

[Rush2112]

Colonoscopy prep is very illuminating. You never know how much crap is still in your body after you crap until you prep for a colonoscopy.

To continue the idea you put forward in the racism thread, SC it's good to have you around for the shit I don't look forward to getting older perspective.

[A_B]

Is this tomorrow or next week. If tomorrow I am in just to subject you guys to my colonoscopy prep.

Next week.

Ah well.

Colonoscopy prep is very illuminating. You never know how much crap is still in your body after you crap until you prep for a colonoscopy.

Absolutely. This is like my fifth one. Looking forward to breakfast after already.

[rass]

Need to get GPJ's expert opinion on the question posed by this headline

[mister d]

[L-Jam3]

Fucking Rock Paper Scissors? Between that and the owners forcing the 17-game season without even giving the players the salary worth of an extra game, I'm ready to simply just take at least the next season off. It'd be nice to get some extra fall Sundays back.

[brian]

Fucking Rock Paper Scissors? Between that and the owners forcing the 17-game season without even giving the players the salary worth of an extra game, I'm ready to simply just take at least the next season off. It'd be nice to get some extra fall Sundays back.

I kinda excited to be able to root for the Lions (even though they're gonna suck) without feeling dirty about it, so we're on opposite trajectories. I think I've only seen about four or five Lions games in the last couple years. Honestly, even more excited than that to be able to watch a bunch of games at once in a sports bar again which should be a fairly safe thing by September here.

[L-Jam3]

I got one dynasty FFL (Mahomes, Stafford, Hebert, Miles Sanders, Dobbins, Julio, and Lockett are the backbones), and maybe a second Swamp one if we reintroduce lower divisions, and I'll try to bring my kids to a game at the Linc when our schedules work out. But the 17 game season really left a bad taste in my mouth.

But who the fuck am I kidding. Come Week 1 I'll be sitting there in my M&N Cunningham jersey, complaining about the receivers for the 30th year in a row.

[Reaper]

I will probably also drop the Google hangout link in the first post of this thread on the evening of the draft, but would like email addresses from those who have expressed desire in the hopes of making it a little easier for all. I am missing a few email addresses, so can the three of you below send me your preferred email address via PM or email at DSafetyGuy at the google-email place dot-com?

Reaper
Johnny Carwash
Tom 1860

Giff, now that you are a lifelong Cardinals fan, did you want in? Your post didn't expressly say one way or the other, but I'm happy to add you.

Johnnie, I have a gmail account for you (0107), but haven't used it since who knows when. Does that account still work for you?

For everyone else who expressed a desire to join (Gunpowder, GoodKarma, tennbengal, Duff, brian, sancarlos, Pruitt, sabo), I have an email address I feel confident is up-to-date.

Obviously, all are welcome.

Sent a PM

[DSafetyGuy]

thanks man, please include me

Somehow, I either don't have your email address or don't have you by your Swamp handle. Can you PM/email me?

[DSafetyGuy]

Sent a PM

Got you and Tom, thanks to you both.

[degenerasian]

[bfj]

I like it. Brown was leaving after this season anyway to play LT somewhere. The Ravens had only 7 picks in this year's draft and they just acquired two more via this trade. I'd bet anything they will be trading one of those late round 1sts to acquire more pick in the 2-4th round.

Now let us all pray that Ronnie Stanley is healthy and that we can find someone to play RT before the season starts.

[DSafetyGuy]

Now let us all pray that Ronnie Stanley is healthy and that we can find someone to play RT before the season starts.

There are reports they are very close to signing Alejandro Villanueva, formerly of the Steelers, and will flip him to RT.

[bfj]

Now let us all pray that Ronnie Stanley is healthy and that we can find someone to play RT before the season starts.

There are reports they are very close to signing Alejandro Villanueva, formerly of the Steelers, and will flip him to RT.

Good replacement to be a place holder for someone they’ll probably draft with one of their extra picks.

[sancarlos]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

[bfj]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s a good deal for both teams.

[sancarlos]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s a good deal for both teams.

I agree. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

[bfj]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s a good deal for both teams.

I agree. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

I didn’t mean to imply that you implied otherwise.

[tennbengal]

Now let us all pray that Ronnie Stanley is healthy and that we can find someone to play RT before the season starts.

There are reports they are very close to signing Alejandro Villanueva, formerly of the Steelers, and will flip him to RT.

He's terrible now and can't run block. I hope this is the plan.

[sancarlos]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s a good deal for both teams.

I agree. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

I didn’t mean to imply that you implied otherwise.

Damn, we could keep this going all day if we tried!

[A_B]

I think it’s still a worthwhile trade for KC. They lost the Super Bowl because their O-line got dominated by Tampa’s D-line. And top left tackles don’t grow on trees.

I think it’s a good deal for both teams.

I agree. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

I didn’t mean to imply that you implied otherwise.

Damn, we could keep this going all day if we tried!

Because of the implication.

[EnochRoot]

I don't see why the Ravens made this deal with the Chiefs.

The primary reason the Chiefs got beaten like a drum in the Super Bowl this past season was their woeful OL play.

So why given them a badly needed missing piece, unless the return far outweighs the risk of fixing your primary obstacle from reaching the Super Bowl?

[HaulCitgo]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

[EnochRoot]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

[EdRomero]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

A lesser package means their roster is worse and then kc goes to plan B, which would mean they'd improve their o-line anyway.

And kc's supposed offensive line problem was more of a bad timing with injuries problem than some roster flaw

[Brontoburglar]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

A lesser package means their roster is worse and then kc goes to plan B, which would mean they'd improve their o-line anyway.

And kc's supposed offensive line problem was more of a bad timing with injuries problem than some roster flaw

yup -- that's a competitive Super Bowl with both Fisher and Schwartz healthy. they were incredible against the 49ers.

effectively trading a mid-second for a 24-year-old sure feels a better outcome than signing Williams and cap-strapping yourself immediately with a player who will be at a high level for maybe 2-3 more years

[EnochRoot]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

A lesser package means their roster is worse and then kc goes to plan B, which would mean they'd improve their o-line anyway.

And kc's supposed offensive line problem was more of a bad timing with injuries problem than some roster flaw

It wasn't a supposed offensive line problem. That unit was destroyed by injuries and it showed in the Super Bowl. Plan B would be an OT significantly less effective than the Pro Bowler they just lifted away from one of the AFC's better teams. Probably for a similar haul, too.

And now the Ravens need to turn those picks into value to really evaluate their side of the deal. Of course, they are pretty good at drafting players that don't have to catch the ball, so they'll likely fare well. But KC just got a whole lot better.

[EdRomero]

But there is risk for KC too. He's either gone as a free agent next year or they'll have to use a lot of cap space to keep him. My point with the bad timing of the injuries is that Reid now has plenty of time to fix the problem unlike the week before the Super Bowl. Even if they don't make the trade I think he'd figure out something good enough to still be the favorites to win, especially with the additions of Long and Thuney already.

[bfj]

But there is risk for KC too. He's either gone as a free agent next year or they'll have to use a lot of cap space to keep him. My point with the bad timing of the injuries is that Reid now has plenty of time to fix the problem unlike the week before the Super Bowl. Even if they don't make the trade I think he'd figure out something good enough to still be the favorites to win, especially with the additions of Long and Thuney already.

And the OL doctor from Canada who didn’t play last year.

[bfj]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

So you think they should have taken a lesser deal to keep him away from KC? That wouldn’t be a very smart move to make if you’re the Ravens. They are looking to stockpile picks so they can have a bunch of players on rookie deals and cap money when they have to extend Lamar, Humphrey and Andrew’s next year. I have zero issues with this trade.

[EnochRoot]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

So you think they should have taken a lesser deal to keep him away from KC? That wouldn’t be a very smart move to make if you’re the Ravens. They are looking to stockpile picks so they can have a bunch of players on rookie deals and cap money when they have to extend Lamar, Humphrey and Andrew’s next year. I have zero issues with this trade.

I didn’t say that. I said that they would’ve been in a better position if they traded him to an NFC team (even if it were a lesser package), because giving KC a pro bowl OT on the younger side of his 20s is a pretty reckless move, regardless of how many picks DeCosta insists on stockpiling.

Frankly this tells me that DeCosta sees the Ravens as closer to the middle of the pack than he does to being on the Chiefs’ level.

[EnochRoot]

But there is risk for KC too. He's either gone as a free agent next year or they'll have to use a lot of cap space to keep him. My point with the bad timing of the injuries is that Reid now has plenty of time to fix the problem unlike the week before the Super Bowl. Even if they don't make the trade I think he'd figure out something good enough to still be the favorites to win, especially with the additions of Long and Thuney already.

KC is all-in on a return to the Super Bowl. The Ravens may have convinced (some of) their fans into thinking DeCosta’s playing 4D chess by stockpiling picks to have a higher # of players on rookie deals, but they greased the skids as much as possible for the Chiefs to make that return.

If Brown wants to chase the money, he’ll be free to do that. As a Super Bowl Champ? He’ll get paid handsomely. Or, the Chiefs will rework other players’ deals to fit Brown in should he had been dominant protecting Mahomes.

I just think that, without a doubt the Ravens helped the Chiefs more than the other way around. Too much has to break right for this to be a win for Baltimore. Now, instead of KC wasting their first round pick on an OT, they can use that pick elsewhere. Just a baffling trade.

[bfj]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

So you think they should have taken a lesser deal to keep him away from KC? That wouldn’t be a very smart move to make if you’re the Ravens. They are looking to stockpile picks so they can have a bunch of players on rookie deals and cap money when they have to extend Lamar, Humphrey and Andrew’s next year. I have zero issues with this trade.

I didn’t say that. I said that they would’ve been in a better position if they traded him to an NFC team (even if it were a lesser package), because giving KC a pro bowl OT on the younger side of his 20s is a pretty reckless move, regardless of how many picks DeCosta insists on stockpiling.

Frankly this tells me that DeCosta sees the Ravens as closer to the middle of the pack than he does to being on the Chiefs’ level.

So how would taking a lesser package for him make the Ravens a better team exactly? You’re not making your team better by keeping him away from another team. KC gave them the most for a guy that was going to walk anyway after the season. As the GM he has to find the best deal to improve his team. They have multiple holes to fill (edge rusher, interior OL, WR) and they’ll need cap space to sign their stars next year and this deal will allow them to do just that, if they draft well.

[EdRomero]

I just think that, without a doubt the Ravens helped the Chiefs more than the other way around. Too much has to break right for this to be a win for Baltimore. Now, instead of KC wasting their first round pick on an OT, they can use that pick elsewhere. Just a baffling trade.

You can't do that type of thinking when there are other teams in the league. The Ravens are trying to beat Cleveland, the Titans, and everyone else. So taking less of a return (and it may have been much less based on Brown's contract) could be the difference of making the playoffs or not making the playoffs.

[HaulCitgo]

But there is risk for KC too. He's either gone as a free agent next year or they'll have to use a lot of cap space to keep him. My point with the bad timing of the injuries is that Reid now has plenty of time to fix the problem unlike the week before the Super Bowl. Even if they don't make the trade I think he'd figure out something good enough to still be the favorites to win, especially with the additions of Long and Thuney already.

And the OL doctor from Canada who didn’t play last year.

Yep unless they can sign that doc the question is OL 6-7-8 plus TEs not named Kelce and whatever is on practice squad in January competitive enough in the trenches?

[EnochRoot]

Not really a consideration. Ravens primary barrier to the superbowl isnt the Chiefs, its their own play relative to the rest of the AFC. Id still take the field over the Chiefs in the AFC cause its the NFL.

Bonkers. If they ship Brown to the NFC for a lesser package the Ravens are in a better position than they are if they dealt him to KC. As are a # of other AFC teams.

So you think they should have taken a lesser deal to keep him away from KC? That wouldn’t be a very smart move to make if you’re the Ravens. They are looking to stockpile picks so they can have a bunch of players on rookie deals and cap money when they have to extend Lamar, Humphrey and Andrew’s next year. I have zero issues with this trade.

I didn’t say that. I said that they would’ve been in a better position if they traded him to an NFC team (even if it were a lesser package), because giving KC a pro bowl OT on the younger side of his 20s is a pretty reckless move, regardless of how many picks DeCosta insists on stockpiling.

Frankly this tells me that DeCosta sees the Ravens as closer to the middle of the pack than he does to being on the Chiefs’ level.

So how would taking a lesser package for him make the Ravens a better team exactly? You’re not making your team better by keeping him away from another team. KC gave them the most for a guy that was going to walk anyway after the season. As the GM he has to find the best deal to improve his team. They have multiple holes to fill (edge rusher, interior OL, WR) and they’ll need cap space to sign their stars next year and this deal will allow them to do just that, if they draft well.

It makes them a better team by keeping Brown away from Kansas City. Baltimore didn’t have to deal Brown now. They could’ve received a 3rd round comp next year if there were no other offers at all. Instead, DeCosta’s placed a bullseye on his performance in this year’s draft.

I get that it’s fun to think of all those draft picks, and yes, the company line is the Ravens are the “Army of the NFL,” but sometimes you have to see the forest for the trees. They didn’t have to deal with KC. DeCosta’s rolled the dice.

[bfj]

It makes them a better team by keeping Brown away from Kansas City. That doesn’t make Baltimore a better team. It makes them the same team as last year with less draft picks.

Baltimore didn’t have to deal Brown now. They could’ve received a 3rd round comp next year if there were no other offers at all. So instead thy received an extra 1st round, a third and a fourth this year and a fifth next year. Instead, DeCosta’s placed a bullseye on his performance in this year’s draft. Which is fine because this team drafts extremely well.

I get that it’s fun to think of all those draft picks, and yes, the company line is the Ravens are the “Army of the NFL,” but sometimes you have to see the forest for the trees. I see the forest which is making sure we are a contender this year and for years afterward when they can afford to resign Jackson, Humphrey and Andrews. You only see the trees which is let’s not improve our team because we are scared of what KC might do next season.

[EnochRoot]

It makes them a better team by keeping Brown away from Kansas City. That doesn’t make Baltimore a better team. It makes them the same team as last year with less draft picks.

Baltimore didn’t have to deal Brown now. They could’ve received a 3rd round comp next year if there were no other offers at all. So instead thy received an extra 1st round, a third and a fourth this year and a fifth next year. Instead, DeCosta’s placed a bullseye on his performance in this year’s draft. Which is fine because this team drafts extremely well.

I get that it’s fun to think of all those draft picks, and yes, the company line is the Ravens are the “Army of the NFL,” but sometimes you have to see the forest for the trees. I see the forest which is making sure we are a contender this year and for years afterward when they can afford to resign Jackson, Humphrey and Andrews. You only see the trees which is let’s not improve our team because we are scared of what KC might do next season.

The Ravens gave KC a 25 yo Pro Bowl OT for their 1st round pick. The other picks are a wash when comp picks get tossed around based on the following season(s) player departures. I’d also not be surprised to see Brown sign an extension before pre-season.

There’s already talk about the Ravens dumping Jackson and maybe using that draft collateral to nab Justin Fields.

It feels ... shell game-y.

[bfj]

It makes them a better team by keeping Brown away from Kansas City. That doesn’t make Baltimore a better team. It makes them the same team as last year with less draft picks.

Baltimore didn’t have to deal Brown now. They could’ve received a 3rd round comp next year if there were no other offers at all. So instead thy received an extra 1st round, a third and a fourth this year and a fifth next year. Instead, DeCosta’s placed a bullseye on his performance in this year’s draft. Which is fine because this team drafts extremely well.

I get that it’s fun to think of all those draft picks, and yes, the company line is the Ravens are the “Army of the NFL,” but sometimes you have to see the forest for the trees. I see the forest which is making sure we are a contender this year and for years afterward when they can afford to resign Jackson, Humphrey and Andrews. You only see the trees which is let’s not improve our team because we are scared of what KC might do next season.

The Ravens gave KC a 25 yo Pro Bowl OT for their 1st round pick. The other picks are a wash when comp picks get tossed around based on the following season(s) player departures. I’d also not be surprised to see Brown sign an extension before pre-season.

There’s already talk about the Ravens dumping Jackson and maybe using that draft collateral to nab Justin Fields.

It feels ... shell game-y.

They traded a player who was going to leave anyway and turned him into 2 more picks this year. I know he's a great tackle and I hate to see him go, but if he's going to leave anyway, I don't see anything wrong with this deal. They didn't trade within the division. They've traded with NE many times over the years during the drafts so I don't think that rule really applies here. I hope he does sign a big extension in KC they'd be crazy not to sign him.

I can't see them moving on for Lamar, despite what Bucky Brooks says. We aren't a QB away from a SB run, we need the pieces around the QB to get us there, multiple times (hopefully).

Now excuse me as a light a candle and pray for Ronnie Stanley's healthy return.