To the extent it comes up: Trump crap post-WH years

[tennbengal]

[EnochRoot]

the murmuring is that they were docs related to nukes etc

Pivot to Hunter Biden in 3.2.1

[Nonlinear FC]

omg

[mister d]

The only thing he's ever cared about is money so why would the most valuable possible information surprise anyone?

[Nonlinear FC]

I want to narrowly focus on Mulvaney. I have to admit, I was on a rabbit-hole tip today and watched MANY hours of coverage.

One of the things that stuck out to me was that Mulvaney totally started trying to be the "reasonable" conservative today, saying that "people that get their news form conservative outlets" are seeing this as a huge over - reach and he started listing a bunch of right wing anti-FBI/DOJ tear down points. Honestly it was bizarre.

He just burned all of his CNN credibility (believe me, he had some) for a completely ridiculous hail mary.

They are fucked.

[Nonlinear FC]

The only thing he's ever cared about is money so why would the most valuable possible information surprise anyone?

no offense, brohabric, but you're trying to front that this is just "yeah, sure, I assumed.."

[tennbengal]

the murmuring is that they were docs related to nukes etc

Pivot to Hunter Biden in 3.2.1

gooooood luck with that

[Steve of phpBB]

Boy, I dunno. This story would mean that DOJ let Trump keep stolen nuke docs for 18 months?

[tennbengal]

Boy, I dunno. This story would mean that DOJ let Trump keep stolen nuke docs for 18 months?

Not if doj didn’t know what he had. Saw some stories about trump world decrying a mole in their camp - maybe someone saw what it was and called the fbi?

[mister d]

The only thing he's ever cared about is money so why would the most valuable possible information surprise anyone?

no offense, brohabric, but you're trying to front that this is just "yeah, sure, I assumed.."

Why would anyone not assume he would do this? Ethics? Patriotism?



(And its still never going to matter because no prosecutors, no matter how good, will find 12 people where atleast one isn't either already a Trump supporter or simply willing to see what saving his ass might get them!)

[Pruitt3]

Fucker never fails to shock.

ETA: (from the Post)

As Garland spoke Thursday, police in Ohio were engaged in a standoff with an armed man who allegedly tried to storm the Cincinnati office of the FBI. The man was killed by police later that day; authorities said negotiations had failed

A Proud Boy

[tennbengal]

[Steve of phpBB]

Boy, I dunno. This story would mean that DOJ let Trump keep stolen nuke docs for 18 months?

Not if doj didn’t know what he had. Saw some stories about trump world decrying a mole in their camp - maybe someone saw what it was and called the fbi?

Perhaps. But shouldn’t someone have noticed sooner that the docs were missing?

[mister d]

The story I read is that someone not only called the FBI, but gave the location inside of Mar-A-Lago which is why they were able to retrieve. No idea the source or if it was true, but sure makes sense why it would be known but not acted on until right now?

[mister d]

Which again doesn’t make sense because if he wanted that info but also didn’t want “all this”, just fucking scan it.

[sancarlos]

Which again doesn’t make sense because if he wanted that info but also didn’t want “all this”, just fucking scan it.

As somebody else noted, he’s a fucking old man. They prefer to deal with paper documents.

(I am uniquely qualified to note this.)

[mister d]

I do get that and I hate watching video when I can read, but if I know I can be prosecuted for reading where video is infinitely harder to prove … I don’t know. Applying logic to illogic.

[teeteebee]

I do get that and I hate watching video when I can read, but if I know I can be prosecuted for reading where video is infinitely harder to prove … I don’t know. Applying logic to illogic.

Lol. The guy never faced consequences before, why would the possibility of being prosecuted ever enter the equation in his mind?

[Steve of phpBB]

I do get that and I hate watching video when I can read, but if I know I can be prosecuted for reading where video is infinitely harder to prove … I don’t know. Applying logic to illogic.

Lol. The guy never faced consequences before, why would the possibility of being prosecuted ever enter the equation in his mind?

Yeah but he’s always been concerned about leaving records that could incriminate him. Routinely tearing up documents, letting others do the emailing, worries about being wiretapped. He’s smart enough to know that with nuclear secrets, you don’t need originals. So scan and shred.

[EnochRoot]

When you consider the urgency of the search warrant, the reporting that it was a national security issue, including subpoenaed security footage to see who might have been at MAL, the nuclear thing begins to add up.

[tennbengal]

Still not sure of the talking points I see…

[Nonlinear FC]

Good morning!

[mister d]

This is pretty great phrasing:

[Nonlinear FC]

Trump last night saying "release the documents now!"

Dumb fuck. You have every right to release yourself.

Fucking moron.

[The Sybian]

Trump last night saying "release the documents now!"

Dumb fuck. You have every right to release yourself.

Fucking moron.

Not dumb of him, facts don’t matter. He got away with saying the IRS wouldn’t let him release his taxes for 7 years and morons still believe it

[DSafetyGuy]

Trump last night saying "release the documents now!"

Dumb fuck. You have every right to release yourself.

Fucking moron.

Not dumb of him, facts don’t matter. He got away with saying the IRS wouldn’t let him release his taxes for 7 years and morons still believe it

Bolded the important part.

[Nonlinear FC]

Facts don't matter until you fuck around with the FBI and DoJ.

The impeachment process and even J6 got nothing on the FBI and DoJ, especially when you go out of your way to fuck with them. Good luck with that.

[brian]

[The Sybian]

Did I miss something confirming the documents are related to nuclear secrets? I believe Garland said it was something critical to national security, and a lot of randos were saying nuclear secrets, but now I'm seeing a lot of journalists saying nuclear. Did that come from somewhere, or is it just speculation?

[Nonlinear FC]

Did I miss something confirming the documents are related to nuclear secrets? I believe Garland said it was something critical to national security, and a lot of randos were saying nuclear secrets, but now I'm seeing a lot of journalists saying nuclear. Did that come from somewhere, or is it just speculation?

I'll dig it up, but the WaPo has actual reporting on this, saying that's what the FBI was looking for... Not "that's what they found," but that it was in the search warrant/probable cause affidavit.

ETA: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... ar-a-lago/

[tennbengal]

Just...wow. I mean, it's probably not shit you can find on your phone that caused the search but maybe that's just me:

[Nonlinear FC]

That guy was super convincing!

(It's not a great delivery if you're clearing your throat every 10 seconds as a verbal crutch. That's a sign of preverication, according to stuff I've read up on.)

[L-Jam3]

So their best defense here is that he mistakenly thought it was a good idea to take documents describing nuclear information out of the White House and to his private residence when he was no longer President, instead of simply leaving them. Which is perfect evidence that he was too fucking stupid, and continues to be too fucking stupid, to be President.

[tennbengal]

[Brontoburglar]

[The Sybian]

[tennbengal]

[Steve of phpBB]

18 U.S.C. 793(d):

Whoever, lawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
...
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

Sentencing Guidelines:

§2M3.3. Transmitting National Defense Information; Disclosure of Classified Cryptographic Information; Unauthorized Disclosure to a Foreign Government or a Communist Organization of Classified Information by Government Employee; Unauthorized Receipt of Classified Information

(a) Base Offense Level:

2M3.3(a)(1)
(1) 29, if top secret information; or

2M3.3(a)(2)
(2) 24, otherwise.

2M3.3 Statutory Provisions
Statutory Provisions: 18 U.S.C. §§ 793(d), (e), (g), 798; 50 U.S.C. § 783.

Sentencing Table:

Base Offense level 24 (at lowest Criminal History Category): 51–63 Months

The only intent or mens rea element is that the offender must "willfully" refuse to return the documents on demand.

[DSafetyGuy]

[Rex]

jeez....what non-extradition countries have a top-notch golf resort?