2022 NCAA Football thread

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:26 am

And now he’s haul corgi forever.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:00 am

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:49 am Just so I'm straight you all want Utah and the winner of Clemson UNC in? Just dumb. Somehow that's better than Tennessee, bama and osu? Georgia and Michigan should get byes and those three and tcu should play-in.

I think a two loss conference champ is better than a 2 loss Tennessee and nonconf champ one loss Osu for sure. Bama not sure but that’s probably giving them credit on history. On season merits Utah more deserving.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:44 am

Is TCU now in even with a loss?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:26 am

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:49 am Just so I'm straight you all want Utah and the winner of Clemson UNC in? Just dumb. Somehow that's better than Tennessee, bama and osu? Georgia and Michigan should get byes and those three and tcu should play-in.

There's no way that the PowersThatBe will allow Utah in...but its just wrong to reward teams who didn't even make their conference championships.

I mean...USC was in, right? And they just got boat-raced by Utah. So that opens the door for....Alabama? Ohio State? Neither who is even playing this weekend. Makes no sense.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am

OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:45 am

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.

There's never been a two loss non-conference winner in the playoffs until now. Unless they put Clemson in.
Utah's opening season loss at Florida really hurts them because Florida finished 6-6.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:45 am
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.
There's never been a two loss non-conference winner in the playoffs until now. Unless they put Clemson in.
Utah's opening season loss at Florida really hurts them because Florida finished 6-6.

They wouldn't have been in anyways. A 2 loss PAC12 Championship Utah team doesn't have the "juice" that a 2 loss non-conference finalist Alabama or a 1 loss non-conference championship team does.

I remember back in the day when the Anti-Playoff faction would cry "College football has the most meaningful regular season! Every week is like a playoff! A CFP will ruin that!"...and I gotta admit, they've been proven right, but not in the way they expected.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:17 pm

Hell, even a 0-loss Utah team was begging for a decent bowl.

Though with 3 losses, we can’t really complain about not making a four-team playoff. Hopefully Utah stays good enough to make it when the playoffs expand.

Post by **brian** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:19 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.

Seeding will be interesting now. If Georgia and Michigan win they're 1 and 2 obviously. The committee might not be able to resist a tOSU-UM rematch in the semifinal.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:45 pm

I know we're all supposed to genuflect to the great and all powerful EssEEECEEEE, but...

You'd think a team in the greatest conference in the land, with presumably the bestest, most smartest players in college football would understand a tipped FG is a live ball.

Good Lord. I was watching that and thinking, LSU isn't chasing that down?? And there you go. Really really stupid right there. That's 101 shit.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:47 pm

TCU is still in after an OT loss?

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:50 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:47 pm TCU is still in after an OT loss?

I think so, but wouldn't be surprised if it's
UGA
UMich
OSU
Bama

More likely TCU in that Bama 4th spot.

Assuming UGA and UM win, I don't see how you jump TCU over OSU just to avoid the replay game in the semis.

Post by **brian** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:25 pm

I think TCU is in. The committee won’t punish them for playing an extra game while Bama sits at home. TCU beat Texas more impressively than Bama did AND has better wins.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 5:34 pm

Everything I heard/read prior to the weekend is the only way TCU doesn't get in is if they got worked today. OT takes that completely off the table (obviously).

I think there's growing sentiment that sitting at home while others play championship games shouldn't be rewarded, in general. Weirdly for aOSU, they get to point to thein single loss coming to the #2 team in the nation... They have a case.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:37 pm

As a Colorado fan, I’m not sure how I feel about this hire. But, I suppose when you’re scraping rock bottom, any home run swing is worth taking.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:49 pm

The head coach of Purdue is such a whiny dick.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:51 pm

This guy Edwards is UM's BACKUP tailback?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:07 pm

Jerloma wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:49 pm The head coach of Purdue is such a whiny dick.

That’s Louisville for you.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:34 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:37 pm As a Colorado fan, I’m not sure how I feel about this hire. But, I suppose when you’re scraping rock bottom, any home run swing is worth taking.

Yup need a deep swing. No one on campus/Boulder cares..the AD evidently wants a prominent football team as they've shelled out for guys like Tucker in the past. Sanders brings instant recruiting clout and evidently is a very good coach.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:00 am

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:45 am
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.
There's never been a two loss non-conference winner in the playoffs until now. Unless they put Clemson in.
Utah's opening season loss at Florida really hurts them because Florida finished 6-6.
They wouldn't have been in anyways. A 2 loss PAC12 Championship Utah team doesn't have the "juice" that a 2 loss non-conference finalist Alabama or a 1 loss non-conference championship team does.

I remember back in the day when the Anti-Playoff faction would cry "College football has the most meaningful regular season! Every week is like a playoff! A CFP will ruin that!"...and I gotta admit, they've been proven right, but not in the way they expected.

Bullshit Dave. It’s not about ‘juice’. By saying that you are doing exactly what you are decrying and discounting parts of the season that you don’t like. The PAC-12 wasn’t very good this year and did terribly out of conference. What’s the signature win, USC over a ND who last to Marshall? The quality of losses and overall strength of schedule have always mattered. And when people’s feelings are removed, nearly all the computer models have Alabama easily in the top 4. The idea was to get the best four teams in. Vegas has Bama favored on a neutral field over everyone except Georgia.

Remember, Bama has been on the unfavorable side after losing in the extra conference championship game before. Having been on that side, that sucks, understandably. The story at that time was ‘all the games mattered’ and ‘our eyes are supposed to forget what we just watched?’.

Personally, I fully expect TCU to stay in, and think they are absolutely deserving. That said, saying they went 5-1 against the top 25 is misleading as that includes both OK schools who were ranked when they played but were nowhere near that good. Had they not had that last drive and forced OT I think the story might have been different.

Without a doubt, this is the worst Bama team of the last several years, but that’s compared to what people are used to seeing from them, and not to the rest of college football this season. Bama fatigue has people putting too much weight on the scale against them.

tl/dr: TCU is definitely deserving, but emotions aside the differences between them and Bama are far closer than people want to admit.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:15 am

Saban is making the Bama would be favored argument very likely well aware of the fact that oddsmakers tend to skew lines towards Alabama because the Alabama brand name attracts casual bettors (5-7 ATS in 2022)

I don't blame him one bit for pushing for his team. but it's probably worth discussing if he should have gotten the platform he did yesterday to make that argument while others didn't. and also worth realizing that the discussion between Alabama and TCU is only happening because of the names involved. any blind resume test involving a team with two top-20 wins and one loss vs. a team with one top-20 win and two losses is always going to end up favoring the team with one loss.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:22 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:15 am Saban is making the Bama would be favored argument very likely well aware of the fact that oddsmakers tend to skew lines towards Alabama because the Alabama brand name attracts casual bettors (5-7 ATS in 2022)

I don't blame him one bit for pushing for his team. but it's probably worth discussing if he should have gotten the platform he did yesterday to make that argument while others didn't. and also worth realizing that the discussion between Alabama and TCU is only happening because of the names involved. any blind resume test involving a team with two top-20 wins and one loss vs. a team with one top-20 win and two losses is always going to end up favoring the team with one loss.

I don’t disagree with any of that. I’ve bitched about coaches being given the same platform when Alabama was playing in the title game before.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:25 am

Square Rob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:00 am Remember, Bama has been on the unfavorable side after losing in the extra conference championship game before. Having been on that side, that sucks, understandably. The story at that time was ‘all the games mattered’ and ‘our eyes are supposed to forget what we just watched?’.

also guessing you're referring to Alabama's SEC title game loss in 2008 serving as a de facto semifinal here?

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:02 am

How about who is better? Forget deserving, who has the best football team? Subjective of course since they haven't played each other but I've seen TCU three times and they just plain didnt look that good. Easier for high scoring offensive teams to pass the eyeball test but TCU fails it. I'd still put TCU in but I also think they'd have the worst record in a three game round robin with Tennessee, Ohio State and Alabama.

Square Rob · Post by **Square Rob** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:43 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:25 am
Square Rob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:00 am Remember, Bama has been on the unfavorable side after losing in the extra conference championship game before. Having been on that side, that sucks, understandably. The story at that time was ‘all the games mattered’ and ‘our eyes are supposed to forget what we just watched?’.
also guessing you're referring to Alabama's SEC title game loss in 2008 serving as a de facto semifinal here?

Yes

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:55 am

Square Rob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:43 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:25 am
Square Rob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:00 am Remember, Bama has been on the unfavorable side after losing in the extra conference championship game before. Having been on that side, that sucks, understandably. The story at that time was ‘all the games mattered’ and ‘our eyes are supposed to forget what we just watched?’.
also guessing you're referring to Alabama's SEC title game loss in 2008 serving as a de facto semifinal here?
Yes

Fair, but they did lose out in that BCS instance to an Oklahoma team that had the same record (and won its conference title game). And would have been in a four-team playoff even with the loss.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:35 am

Jerloma wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:51 pm This guy Edwards is UM's BACKUP tailback?

They were called Lightning and Lightning. Weird thing is... Edwards was out for at least 2, maybe 3 games down the stretch, including the game against Illinois where Corum got hurt.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:02 pm

Square Rob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:00 am
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:45 am
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am OSU is in now, no doubt. The question is today is TCU or Bama.
There's never been a two loss non-conference winner in the playoffs until now. Unless they put Clemson in.
Utah's opening season loss at Florida really hurts them because Florida finished 6-6.
They wouldn't have been in anyways. A 2 loss PAC12 Championship Utah team doesn't have the "juice" that a 2 loss non-conference finalist Alabama or a 1 loss non-conference championship team does.

I remember back in the day when the Anti-Playoff faction would cry "College football has the most meaningful regular season! Every week is like a playoff! A CFP will ruin that!"...and I gotta admit, they've been proven right, but not in the way they expected.
Bullshit Dave. It’s not about ‘juice’. By saying that you are doing exactly what you are decrying and discounting parts of the season that you don’t like. The PAC-12 wasn’t very good this year and did terribly out of conference. What’s the signature win, USC over a ND who last to Marshall? The quality of losses and overall strength of schedule have always mattered. And when people’s feelings are removed, nearly all the computer models have Alabama easily in the top 4. The idea was to get the best four teams in. Vegas has Bama favored on a neutral field over everyone except Georgia.

I'm not saying Utah should be in the playoff (and I think all Utah supporters are more than happy with going back to the Rose Bowl), just that its really screwed up that teams are getting put in the Playoffs regardless of a)not making their conference championship game, or b)losing the conference championship game.

I think the only remedy is coming in a few years, when it will just be the two Power Conferences (Big10/SEC) and the playoffs will just be between the top teams coming out of those conferences.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:07 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:02 pm
I think the only remedy is coming in a few years, when it will just be the two Power Conferences (Big10/SEC) and the playoffs will just be between the top teams coming out of those conferences.

lol no that's not happening

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:02 pm

I'm just glad that Saban's weird fucking bullshit appearance at HT didn't seem to move the needle.

What even is that? How was that a thing? And I don't care who it is or if it's happened before. That just shouldn't be allowed.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 5:58 pm

So, I'm reading some recaps about the B1G championship game, a number of which are (correctly) bitching about how long the reviews took (and that there were too many) and it occurred to me.

The whole issue to overturn is "irrefutable" evidence (or whatever) that the refs on the field got the call. We all watch these replays, we can tell within the first minute (if the replay guys are any good) if the play should be overturned or not.

I know I'm not the only guy to propose this, but using the irrefutable logic... If it ain't clear within, say 120 seconds if a call was good/bad... That's not irrefutable. Call stands.

So tired of these thing taking 3 or 4 minutes at a time. These fucking games take WAY TOO LONG. That came kicked off at 8 (or so) and ended somewhere around 11:45 or maybe later. That's ridiculous.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:04 pm

I wish they would stop using what was called on the field as the guide, tbh.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm

Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:01 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.

Yeah, Iowa, quite famously in B1G circles idolize their fucking punter, fergawdsake. Like, many thousands of fans with I (heart) the Punter t-shirts and others stuff along those lines.

They are a miserable team to play, unless you figure out how to fool their LBs into making bad gap reads and grind them into paste.

Post by **brian** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:34 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.

Is Levis going to officially sit that game out yet? Another reason to nail the under now. (Even with him playing, don't see it moving the needle too much. But I don't see how even if he has a good game against Iowa, that it will help his draft stock. Anything he does to improve that is going to have to happen at the combine and on his pro day.)

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:46 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.

Why in the world did SI rank this the best bowl game?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:52 pm

Giff wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:46 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.
Why in the world did SI rank this the best bowl game?

Any team that got smoked by Nebraska in their finale is must-see-TV.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:47 pm

brian wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:34 pm
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:55 pm Take the under in the Iowa/UK bowl game. Vegas could set it at 20 and it would be too high.
Is Levis going to officially sit that game out yet? Another reason to nail the under now. (Even with him playing, don't see it moving the needle too much. But I don't see how even if he has a good game against Iowa, that it will help his draft stock. Anything he does to improve that is going to have to happen at the combine and on his pro day.)

Yeah he’s out. That’s why I said that but I really didn’t give the context.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:59 pm

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:32 pm

"That being said" is becoming the juiciest preamble to some weirdness in all the land.

That being said.... Fuck y'all, I'm moving on.

MI had a TE NFL prospect move on this week and he threw some serious shade on.. something unspecified in the MI program.

It's like, dude, just say what you want to say. Don't be a douche.