I don't think he's intentionally trying to destroy Twitter...I think it's driven by ego/a vanity project. The "move fast break things" slogan is correct...his actions this week were attempts to "weed out" what he perceives as subpar employees and do what he wants with only the most loyal people (ironically, same concept as running a cult). He's thinks getting lean will increase profitability.
I would like expensive whiskey.
We only have beer & wine...
What am I, 12?
My coworker is an Elon-stan and thinks Elon has a plan for all this. Like GK mentioned about weeding out, he was sporting off about Musk working 24 hours. I called BS. He couldn't believe I wasn't on board. I told him that Musk was an idiot and had no plan. I also told him to lay off the Rogan.
To quote both Bruce Prichard and Tony Schiavone, "Fuck Duff Meltzer."
Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.
Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?
Shirley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:20 pm
Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.
Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?
Shirley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:20 pm
Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.
Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?
Great analysis.
You should post this on Twitter.
Elon would try to fire me.
BTW, my company had our yearly conference this past week (why I was slow to fix the Swamp). We had a mix of internal and external speakers on the main stage. At least 4 or 5 of them made explicit cracks about Elon and the mess at Twitter. Including Malcolm Gladwell, who was the key speaker on the last day.
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. - God
I can’t see what sancarlos posted but this is as good as it gets as a lawyer. I am exhilarated. Read the letter. Writing that must have been a career highlight for that guy. A work of art.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:57 am
I can’t see what sancarlos posted but this is as good as it gets as a lawyer. I am exhilarated. Read the letter. Writing that must have been a career highlight for that guy. A work of art.
Just a beautiful demand letter. No notes.
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
Okay, am I the only grumpy old man who thinks that the guy's grandstanding cannot help - but might hurt - the clients whose interests he's supposedly putting ahead of his own?
Plus, is it really a good idea to put in writing that "you need to pay what we are demanding because otherwise we'll make sure you pay more in defense costs"? Not only does that border on extortion, but you're basically making a record that will be thrown back in your face in any discovery dispute - and the threat of defense costs isn't going to scare the guy who paid $44 billion for Twitter in the first place. (If you want to make defense costs part of your demand, don't do it in writing for fucks sake.)
[/Grumpy Old Man]
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:42 pm
Okay, am I the only grumpy old man who thinks that the guy's grandstanding cannot help - but might hurt - the clients whose interests he's supposedly putting ahead of his own?
Plus, is it really a good idea to put in writing that "you need to pay what we are demanding because otherwise we'll make sure you pay more in defense costs"? Not only does that border on extortion, but you're basically making a record that will be thrown back in your face in any discovery dispute - and the threat of defense costs isn't going to scare the guy who paid $44 billion for Twitter in the first place. (If you want to make defense costs part of your demand, don't do it in writing for fucks sake.)
[/Grumpy Old Man]
I had the same take, immature and emotional. Sure, all lawyers want to do that at times, but it’s extremely unprofessional. Fun to read as a neutral, though. Also agree the attorney feels like he is doing this as a publicity stunt for himself, not his clients’ interest. Cant believe he used language like “you will lose.” But, it amused me.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
I have all kinds of biases, but I don’t think pro-defense is one of them. My work is pretty varied, but I’ve written more demand letters than I’ve responded to.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
I did read that with a Plaintiff's attorney eye though and had a fully opposite reaction to you two. Basically, the people that Musk is fucking over need money NOW - so a normal more measured demand letter has no chance at moving the needle. If writing one plainly with some flair laying out the position has any chance at cutting through the layers surrounding Musk on this point, then by all means. I think the approach taken makes more sense here than the normal dry demand letter. Anything that helps head off protracted litigation is worth a shot. I happen to think that the letter we are discussing has more of a chance at that than the more typical staid one might. Probably won't matter in any event, no matter what tone it was written in likely they will have to fight to get their money. Which sucks.
tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:18 pm
I was (mostly) joking.
I did read that with a Plaintiff's attorney eye though and had a fully opposite reaction to you two. Basically, the people that Musk is fucking over need money NOW - so a normal more measured demand letter has no chance at moving the needle. If writing one plainly with some flair laying out the position has any chance at cutting through the layers surrounding Musk on this point, then by all means. I think the approach taken makes more sense here than the normal dry demand letter. Anything that helps head off protracted litigation is worth a shot. I happen to think that the letter we are discussing has more of a chance at that than the more typical staid one might. Probably won't matter in any event, no matter what tone it was written in likely they will have to fight to get their money. Which sucks.
If the letter was going to stay private, I’d probably only have a problem with the defense cost part I mentioned before. But it’s so obviously written for Twitter. Publicly bullying Musk is almost guaranteed to be counterproductive.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:16 pm
Not sure where to put this, but since I found it on Twitter, I’ll put it here.
I love that so hard. I got some texts to send now.
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. - God
I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.
ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.
My avatar corresponds on my place in the Swamp posting list with the all-time Home Run list. Number 45 is Paul Konerko with 439.
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 am
I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.
ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.
Trump's key to success was inheriting a company from a father who knew how to buy politicians during a time of extreme corruption coupled with an unchecked raging personality disorder.
Speaking of Trump, someone mentioned how Season 3 of the Boys had Homelander essentially turn into Trump, heavily borrowing Trump's style and even his words when Homelander held rallies. Partnering with a Nazi was prescient. Today Trump is teasing an announcement tonight that "America needs a Superhero." With imagery of Trump opening his shirt to reveal a superhero costume and lasers shooting out of his eyes. the levels of his mental illness know no bounds.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 am
I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.
ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.
Trump's key to success was inheriting a company from a father who knew how to buy politicians during a time of extreme corruption coupled with an unchecked raging personality disorder.
Speaking of Trump, someone mentioned how Season 3 of the Boys had Homelander essentially turn into Trump, heavily borrowing Trump's style and even his words when Homelander held rallies. Partnering with a Nazi was prescient. Today Trump is teasing an announcement tonight that "America needs a Superhero." With imagery of Trump opening his shirt to reveal a superhero costume and lasers shooting out of his eyes. the levels of his mental illness know no bounds.
That major announcement was that he's selling digital trading cards of his "life and career"...for the low low price of $99.