Twitter:The New Batch

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:52 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:39 pm Things can be three things

Please explain the benefit to Musk’s financial backers of Twitter going bankrupt. I don’t see it.

I assume Musk would still owe them his debt. But that’s true regardless.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:15 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:52 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:39 pm Things can be three things
Please explain the benefit to Musk’s financial backers of Twitter going bankrupt. I don’t see it.

I assume Musk would still owe them his debt. But that’s true regardless.

Presumably the benefit is from stopping liberals from using Twitter to organize/rally etc. But I’m skeptical. 44 billion is a shitload of money.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:43 pm

I don't think he's intentionally trying to destroy Twitter...I think it's driven by ego/a vanity project. The "move fast break things" slogan is correct...his actions this week were attempts to "weed out" what he perceives as subpar employees and do what he wants with only the most loyal people (ironically, same concept as running a cult). He's thinks getting lean will increase profitability.

duff · Post by **duff** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 6:23 pm

My coworker is an Elon-stan and thinks Elon has a plan for all this. Like GK mentioned about weeding out, he was sporting off about Musk working 24 hours. I called BS. He couldn't believe I wasn't on board. I told him that Musk was an idiot and had no plan. I also told him to lay off the Rogan.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:41 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:15 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:52 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:39 pm Things can be three things
Please explain the benefit to Musk’s financial backers of Twitter going bankrupt. I don’t see it.

I assume Musk would still owe them his debt. But that’s true regardless.
Presumably the benefit is from stopping liberals from using Twitter to organize/rally etc. But I’m skeptical. 44 billion is a shitload of money.

Chump change to the Saudis

Post by **Shirley** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:20 pm

Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.

Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:00 pm

Shirley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:20 pm Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.

Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?

Great analysis.

You should post this on Twitter.

Post by **Shirley** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:05 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 8:00 pm
Shirley wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:20 pm Oh no, he definitely just thinks he knows better than everyone else. And since he's a workaholic, he thinks everyone else should be too. He hasn't been at a software company since PayPal, and I think he fondly thinks back on the startup days. But times have changed and Twitter isn't a startup. Nobody wants to sleep in their office unless they have a lot of equity and a good shot at becoming rich. Twitter engineers are already well-paid and have plenty of opportunity to go elsewhere.

Essentially, he thinks he's driving out the weak, but he's really driving out those with other options. He's just going to be left with employees on visas who can't easily leave. And hiring new folks is going to be brutal. Who would choose to start at Twitter now?
Great analysis.

You should post this on Twitter.

Elon would try to fire me.

BTW, my company had our yearly conference this past week (why I was slow to fix the Swamp). We had a mix of internal and external speakers on the main stage. At least 4 or 5 of them made explicit cracks about Elon and the mess at Twitter. Including Malcolm Gladwell, who was the key speaker on the last day.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:01 pm

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 pm

That's phenomenal.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:13 pm

Uhhhh, kinda NSFW.

[+] spoiler

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:23 am

It’s hard to watch someone so unfunny desperately trying to be funny.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:32 am

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:23 am It’s hard to watch someone so unfunny desperately trying to be funny.

Now you understand!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:33 am

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:16 pm

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:57 am

I can’t see what sancarlos posted but this is as good as it gets as a lawyer. I am exhilarated. Read the letter. Writing that must have been a career highlight for that guy. A work of art.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:51 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:57 am I can’t see what sancarlos posted but this is as good as it gets as a lawyer. I am exhilarated. Read the letter. Writing that must have been a career highlight for that guy. A work of art.

Just a beautiful demand letter. No notes.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:46 am

Not taking any fees unless there’s litigation is a true attorney flex.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:13 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:46 am Not taking any fees unless there’s litigation is a true attorney flex.

The publicity is worth it. And yes, a huge flex.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:33 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:57 am I can’t see what sancarlos posted but…

Here is a different tweet that includes a screenshot of the image in Kanye’s tweet that I posted.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:42 pm

Okay, am I the only grumpy old man who thinks that the guy's grandstanding cannot help - but might hurt - the clients whose interests he's supposedly putting ahead of his own?

Plus, is it really a good idea to put in writing that "you need to pay what we are demanding because otherwise we'll make sure you pay more in defense costs"? Not only does that border on extortion, but you're basically making a record that will be thrown back in your face in any discovery dispute - and the threat of defense costs isn't going to scare the guy who paid $44 billion for Twitter in the first place. (If you want to make defense costs part of your demand, don't do it in writing for fucks sake.)

[/Grumpy Old Man]

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:47 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:42 pm Okay, am I the only grumpy old man who thinks that the guy's grandstanding cannot help - but might hurt - the clients whose interests he's supposedly putting ahead of his own?

Plus, is it really a good idea to put in writing that "you need to pay what we are demanding because otherwise we'll make sure you pay more in defense costs"? Not only does that border on extortion, but you're basically making a record that will be thrown back in your face in any discovery dispute - and the threat of defense costs isn't going to scare the guy who paid $44 billion for Twitter in the first place. (If you want to make defense costs part of your demand, don't do it in writing for fucks sake.)

[/Grumpy Old Man]

I had the same take, immature and emotional. Sure, all lawyers want to do that at times, but it’s extremely unprofessional. Fun to read as a neutral, though. Also agree the attorney feels like he is doing this as a publicity stunt for himself, not his clients’ interest. Cant believe he used language like “you will lose.” But, it amused me.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:02 pm

Helpful note for room: Syb and Steve are or align with defense in civil matters re: their take

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:46 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:02 pm Helpful note for room: Syb and Steve are or align with defense in civil matters re: their take

Lol.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:58 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 5:46 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 1:02 pm Helpful note for room: Syb and Steve are or align with defense in civil matters re: their take
Lol.

Great point. I didn’t consider my bias in reading the letter.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:07 pm

I have all kinds of biases, but I don’t think pro-defense is one of them. My work is pretty varied, but I’ve written more demand letters than I’ve responded to.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:18 pm

I was (mostly) joking.

I did read that with a Plaintiff's attorney eye though and had a fully opposite reaction to you two. Basically, the people that Musk is fucking over need money NOW - so a normal more measured demand letter has no chance at moving the needle. If writing one plainly with some flair laying out the position has any chance at cutting through the layers surrounding Musk on this point, then by all means. I think the approach taken makes more sense here than the normal dry demand letter. Anything that helps head off protracted litigation is worth a shot. I happen to think that the letter we are discussing has more of a chance at that than the more typical staid one might. Probably won't matter in any event, no matter what tone it was written in likely they will have to fight to get their money. Which sucks.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:55 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:18 pm I was (mostly) joking.

I did read that with a Plaintiff's attorney eye though and had a fully opposite reaction to you two. Basically, the people that Musk is fucking over need money NOW - so a normal more measured demand letter has no chance at moving the needle. If writing one plainly with some flair laying out the position has any chance at cutting through the layers surrounding Musk on this point, then by all means. I think the approach taken makes more sense here than the normal dry demand letter. Anything that helps head off protracted litigation is worth a shot. I happen to think that the letter we are discussing has more of a chance at that than the more typical staid one might. Probably won't matter in any event, no matter what tone it was written in likely they will have to fight to get their money. Which sucks.

If the letter was going to stay private, I’d probably only have a problem with the defense cost part I mentioned before. But it’s so obviously written for Twitter. Publicly bullying Musk is almost guaranteed to be counterproductive.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:16 pm

Not sure where to put this, but since I found it on Twitter, I’ll put it here.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:30 pm

Spicer did finally delete this...

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:31 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:16 pm Not sure where to put this, but since I found it on Twitter, I’ll put it here.

I love that so hard. I got some texts to send now.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 9:31 pm

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:06 am

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:44 am

I'm starting to think this Elon Musk guy isn't as smart as people make him out to be.

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:46 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:44 am I'm starting to think this Elon Musk guy isn't as smart as people make him out to be.

Who cares what you think! He has more money than you could ever dream of. Has to be a genius to do that. /s

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 am

I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.

ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:20 am

I assume "born into a rich family" falls under luck?

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:46 am

If emerging from the uterus of someone married to a rich guy isn't luck then I don't know what is.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:06 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 am I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.

ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.

Trump's key to success was inheriting a company from a father who knew how to buy politicians during a time of extreme corruption coupled with an unchecked raging personality disorder.

Speaking of Trump, someone mentioned how Season 3 of the Boys had Homelander essentially turn into Trump, heavily borrowing Trump's style and even his words when Homelander held rallies. Partnering with a Nazi was prescient. Today Trump is teasing an announcement tonight that "America needs a Superhero." With imagery of Trump opening his shirt to reveal a superhero costume and lasers shooting out of his eyes. the levels of his mental illness know no bounds.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:19 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:06 am
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:53 am I just had this realization on the toilet. Success requires talent, hard work, and luck, and the order I just put them is the order necessary from low to high.

ETA: Sure, I guess everyone realizes this and I'm probably late to the party on this than most. It's just how TFG, Musk, and reality "stars" show how much this is true.
Trump's key to success was inheriting a company from a father who knew how to buy politicians during a time of extreme corruption coupled with an unchecked raging personality disorder.

Speaking of Trump, someone mentioned how Season 3 of the Boys had Homelander essentially turn into Trump, heavily borrowing Trump's style and even his words when Homelander held rallies. Partnering with a Nazi was prescient. Today Trump is teasing an announcement tonight that "America needs a Superhero." With imagery of Trump opening his shirt to reveal a superhero costume and lasers shooting out of his eyes. the levels of his mental illness know no bounds.

That major announcement was that he's selling digital trading cards of his "life and career"...for the low low price of $99.