Super Bowl LVII

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:04 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:23 pm 1. thank you

2. the call was right? it wasn't egregious ... but it was across the line, even if it was just slight. the main hold came before the top of the break.

Exactly. Olsen tried to sell the second contact as the penalty but I think it happened prior to that right off the line and then they just stuck with that narrative. Not sure where it was called but if it's the first pull it looks legit. The thing Olsen was commenting on definitely wasn't a penalty which sent everyone into a tizzy.

Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:22 am

Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:04 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:23 pm 1. thank you

2. the call was right? it wasn't egregious ... but it was across the line, even if it was just slight. the main hold came before the top of the break.
Exactly. Olsen tried to sell the second contact as the penalty but I think it happened prior to that right off the line and then they just stuck with that narrative. Not sure where it was called but if it's the first pull it looks legit. The thing Olsen was commenting on definitely wasn't a penalty which sent everyone into a tizzy.

Never heard someone admit so quickly. When asked, James Bradberry came clean: "It was a holding. I tugged his jersey. I was hoping they would let it slide."

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:28 am

Reaper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:22 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:04 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:23 pm 1. thank you

2. the call was right? it wasn't egregious ... but it was across the line, even if it was just slight. the main hold came before the top of the break.
Exactly. Olsen tried to sell the second contact as the penalty but I think it happened prior to that right off the line and then they just stuck with that narrative. Not sure where it was called but if it's the first pull it looks legit. The thing Olsen was commenting on definitely wasn't a penalty which sent everyone into a tizzy.
Never heard someone admit so quickly. When asked, James Bradberry came clean: "It was a holding. I tugged his jersey. I was hoping they would let it slide."

That's mad admirable on Bradberry.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:31 am

The weird thing is a defender grabs a guy to prevent being beaten, to prevent a TD. But a TD would have been the better result.

Post by **brian** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:41 am

degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:31 am The weird thing is a defender grabs a guy to prevent being beaten, to prevent a TD. But a TD would have been the better result.

It's weird (or funny) except for the millions of Philly fans trying in insist it wasn't a penalty.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:07 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:25 pm also, am I the only one who thought Burkhardt had a really rough game? bad spots and even mixed up the Eagles and Chiefs with 2 min to go

I thought he and olsen struggled a bit with the moment. Olsen just went fucking rambling several times.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am

I have no problem with a flag being thrown on an obvious hold, despite the fact the refs seemed to be "letting them play" all game. A hold is a hold, period.

The bigger story to me is Reid / Mahomes yet again devised a gameplan that kept the Eagles out of the offensive backfield the entire game (zero sacks, a single tackle for loss).

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:33 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am I have no problem with a flag being thrown on an obvious hold, despite the fact the refs seemed to be "letting them play" all game. A hold is a hold, period.

The bigger story to me is Reid / Mahomes yet again devised a gameplan that kept the Eagles out of the offensive backfield the entire game (zero sacks, a single tackle for loss).

Agree with every word here.

When the Bills lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs last season it was a soul crusher, but my outrage was saved for the Bills defense and the coaching staff and not for the injustice of the overtime possession rule (as it used to be).

You want to win a title, you have to make a stop at least once a half.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:46 am

Another football event down to the vagaries of penalties.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:48 am

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:54 am I have no problem with a flag being thrown on an obvious hold, despite the fact the refs seemed to be "letting them play" all game. A hold is a hold, period.

The bigger story to me is Reid / Mahomes yet again devised a gameplan that kept the Eagles out of the offensive backfield the entire game (zero sacks, a single tackle for loss).

How much did the terrible field prevent anything resembling a pass rush on this game

The QBs were under almost no pressure all game

I imagine it’s hard the get a rush going if you can’t push off that first step

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:13 pm

rass wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:32 pm The Teens watching this at my house (in addition to the teens I’m legally responsible for) insist she’s pregnant

It was driving me crazy.

BTW, probably already mentioned (I'm still catching up), but her publicist confirmed it this morning. (Or last night, I dunno.)

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:23 pm

Wait you guys are for that weak ass call?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:24 pm

As mentioned above, that field is a fucking disgrace. I was super annoyed watching MI lose on that weak grass on concrete slab bullshit.

And it absolutely favors the offense to have a shitty field. When you know your route/play, you have the advantage. Period. Same thing applies in snow games.

At that level, football is a game of inches and tenths of a second of reaction time (or lack thereof.)

That said, both teams played on the same shit field. KC figured it out. Stopped zero times in the 3rd and 4th Q = Super Bowl Trophy.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:27 pm

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:23 pm Wait you guys are for that weak ass call?

They are.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:28 pm

brian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 11:28 pm The idea that officials should swallow their whistles in the last two minutes of a football game (or last five minutes of a hockey game) or whatever is such obvious bullshit. A ball is a ball on the first pitch of the game or 3-2 with the bases loaded. Fuck that shit.

Yeah for actual penalties.

You could call holding on the first two plays here and also the fourth though I guess that's more hands to the face-ish.

And this isn't a "Philly got screwed" take, if anything they probably got away with a few breaks. This is an "I don't think they should have made that particular call" argument.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:28 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:27 pm
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:23 pm Wait you guys are for that weak ass call?
They are.

I'm trying to imagine a scenario where Jeff Okudah gets called for that in a playoff game and Brian defends it.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:32 pm

It was a terrible fucking call on all levels but i just don’t have the energy to argue about it. Whole game, no whistles. Style of play established as to what will be ok. And then…that. Was a lot like how it went down a year ago in a similar spot in the Super Bowl.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:33 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:32 pm It was a terrible fucking call on all levels but i just don’t have the energy to argue about it. Whole game, no whistles. Style of play established as to what will be ok. And then…that. Was a lot like how it went down a year ago in a similar spot in the Super Bowl.

It's about as bad as the penalty on PacMan Jones for touching Joey Porter.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:40 pm

So, when the guy that the flag was thrown at says "yeah, I held him."

What, he's a liar??

He grabbed his jersey before the break. He admitted doing that, hoping ref wouldn't call it. As you guys have said, the way it was being called, it's ticky tacky. But it's not some phantom call or anything.

It's also very easy to have this attitude when I give zero fucks about the outcome, so there's that.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:40 pm

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:33 pm
tennbengal wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:32 pm It was a terrible fucking call on all levels but i just don’t have the energy to argue about it. Whole game, no whistles. Style of play established as to what will be ok. And then…that. Was a lot like how it went down a year ago in a similar spot in the Super Bowl.
It's about as bad as the penalty on PacMan Jones for touching Joey Porter.

Nothing in that game happened after Jeremy hill fumbled.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:44 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:46 am Another football event down to the vagaries of penalties.

Yup.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:52 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:40 pm So, when the guy that the flag was thrown at says "yeah, I held him."

What, he's a liar??

He grabbed his jersey before the break. He admitted doing that, hoping ref wouldn't call it. As you guys have said, the way it was being called, it's ticky tacky. But it's not some phantom call or anything.

It's also very easy to have this attitude when I give zero fucks about the outcome, so there's that.

There's "holding" on a DB on like every other play, and this one was particularly ticky tacky IMO

"But this guy said he held the WR"

.....alright

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 12:54 pm

It's also on video, so I don't really care what the guy who committed the penalty says. This isn't a trial.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:11 pm

Id say it was a penalty but Olsen got it right that you just eat that whistle at that point in the game. Refs should know this. Refs say they dont do that and they shouldnt until theyre on the final drive of the 4th quarter of the super bowl and then they should definitely eat it and not mess up the game. No one wants to see you decide a game, dude. That final drive to win with 90 seconds would have been a lot of fun.

Also, may have been discussed but why cant the Chiefs guy get back on side on the 4th down play. That should be a penalty on the offense if youre just going to stand up cause you see a guy take a half-step. Ive seen it called unabated toward the QB and stopped and ive seen plays continue to get the offense a free play so why is it offside if the defender still has a chance to get back on before the ball is snapped.

Do agree that the Eagles seemed to get the better of the calls til the one that mattered.

And yeah turf was shit. NFL should be embarrassed for that. Seem like they mentioned that Chiefs had played on it earlier in the season and knew.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:20 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:11 pm
And yeah turf was shit. NFL should be embarrassed for that. Seem like they mentioned that Chiefs had played on it earlier in the season and knew.

First game of the season, and yes, was mentioned that they complained about the field after that game.

I would assume everyone in the league knows this, so would follow that the Iggles should've been prepared for it. (Not saying they weren't, just saying it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.)

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:23 pm

I was ready to jump into the argument this morning, but saw the DB's comment. He's being genuine and that counts for something, but that just means the bar is so low you can call so many other things holding - and that point has been discussed already.

My take: With the way WRs will turn towards a ref when they think they are being held (similar to the way an NBA player who gets called for a foul but doesn't think they committed one does), Juju's non reaction to a poorly thrown ball says it all for me.

Mahomes was the one who was actually pissed despite throwing something his receiver couldn't catch.

In the end though, the Eagles couldn't stop anything, so I'm sure they lose regardless.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:43 pm

Maybe I missed it, but was there a Heinz commercial?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:01 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:43 pm Maybe I missed it, but was there a Heinz commercial?

Yeah, but a QR code on the screen just directed you here.

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:12 pm

35 points should have been enough as I noted last night.

Great teams capitalize on mistakes. That fumble return and punt return were tough breaks. Not getting a stop in the 2nd half was backbreaking.

The argument upthread about you call the penalty the same regardless of time in the game - example used was a strike in the first at bat should be a strike in the last at bat is weak at best. There were 9 penalties last night. 8 before that call. Two were delay of game penalties. That leaves 6 penalties called on over 120 plays. How many were for DPI or defensive holding? You mean to tell me that they let them play the game for 58 minutes and then decide to throw the flag on a play that critical? A hold that was inconsequential in the outcome of the play?

I’m not complaining from a “the Eagles would have won” perspective - it shouldn’t have come down to that call. I’m complaining from a “why feed the fuel that the refs put themselves into the position to impact the outcome narrative”.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:13 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:01 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 1:43 pm Maybe I missed it, but was there a Heinz commercial?
Yeah, but a QR code on the screen just directed you here.

Ah, so not this one...

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:27 pm

Swipe through. I lost it at #6

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:47 pm

Btw, the ASL performance > Rihanna.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:52 pm

Jesus C that Insta is funny.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:52 pm

Oh... and if you want WAY TOO MUCH information on the grass situation.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:01 pm

Haven't watched the video but the turf at State Farm has been a problem for a long time.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:41 pm

From what I remember (and maybe it's covered in the video as I'm making this post before I watch), but Arizona is the only stadium with actual grass despite being in a domed, indoor stadium. The climate allows for it. So damn strange to me that there were issues like that during the game.

Also, I was listening to The Ringer's Press Box Podcast with Bryan Curtis and Dave Shoemaker. This, uh, didnt age well at all...(posted on 9 Feb)

All Hail the ‘God of Sod,’ Groundskeeper for All 57 Super Bowls

Non-paywall version: https://archive.is/fnSMR#selection-399.0-399.63

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:45 pm

Doesn't Vegas also do the roll-in grass field for the Raiders, and use the turf field for UNLV and Pro Bowl Flag Football?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:03 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 13, 2023 4:45 pm Doesn't Vegas also do the roll-in grass field for the Raiders, and use the turf field for UNLV and Pro Bowl Flag Football?

Yup. I should've said "up until the Las Vegas stadium opened."

From Wiki:

The stadium has a roll-in natural Bermuda grass field similar to the one at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, which is primarily used for NFL games.[20] The main advantages of such a configuration is that it allows the natural playing surface to be exposed to natural sunlight when not in use and allows other events to be held at the facility without any risk of damage to the grass. Unlike the Arizona facility (which does not have a varsity tenant) Allegiant Stadium also has an artificial turf field, which is primarily used for college football games. This design was chosen because UNLV prefers to play on an artificial turf surface, and also due to concerns that use of the grass field by two teams would cause excessive wear to the playing surface. The artificial turf is placed directly on the stadium's concrete floor, and the tray holding the grass field is designed so that it can roll in and out without disrupting the turf underneath it.[21]

And we'll see if the 'God of Sod' fucks it up next year. Super Bowl 58 is in Las Vegas.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:55 pm

Not if they hire this guy.

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Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Feb 13, 2023 8:18 pm

I think Pat Tillman was almost definitely murdered by the US Army, because of the blatant coverup and the proximity of the shots but I can't for the life of me come up with a motive. Anyone got anything? I was thinking last night during that pregame BS to use as a recruiting tool but death is traditionally not a great motivation technique.