CUBE LIFE! Office Etiquette

[Nonlinear FC]

Yeah, people are fucking busy, no reason to waste time typing things out when a widely used emoji is right there.

[The Sybian]

It doesn't bother me at work, but the thumbs up can bother me in a text.

I see the thumbs up as a way to acknowledge receipt and confirm you are taking action on something. Can't fathom how it is rude. Although, I use thumbs up to acknowledge and end the conversation. So maybe it's rude by saying "I'm done discussing?"

Yes, it's a conversation ender.

[HaulCitgo]

That made me laugh. Gonna start using that

[Giff]

It doesn't bother me at work, but the thumbs up can bother me in a text.

I see the thumbs up as a way to acknowledge receipt and confirm you are taking action on something. Can't fathom how it is rude. Although, I use thumbs up to acknowledge and end the conversation. So maybe it's rude by saying "I'm done discussing?"

It doesn't bother me at work, but the thumbs up can bother me in a text.

I'm honestly curious...can you explain why it bothers you in a text? I use it frequently but now am wondering if I'm not thinking of something...

Keyword was "can". Most thumbs up are fine. I've had it used passive-aggressively towards me and also the "I'm done discussing" thumbs up to me can be rude depending on what it is you're discussing. I've also employed both myself, so not acting like some sort of good guy over here. Another one I haven't done is if I've sent a text to someone that's meaningful in some way. For example, I saw a somewhat friend of mine and his daughter at Sonic while I was in the drive-thru at Cane's, so I yelled out "hey Chad!!", but due to the glare from the sun he couldn't see me even though they both heard me yell his name. So I sent him a message saying "hey buddy, that was me. hope all is well." and the response was a thumbs up.

[Johnnie]

The meaning behind a thumbs up emoji is a generational line of demarcation.

Us olds look at it like this:





And the youngs like this:





So really, it's the image of the face you're making when you do it or the face you're imagining the sender is giving you when you receive it more than anything.

[P.D.X.]

Thumbs-up is bad while this is still good?:

[rass]

Some of olds contain multitudes

[The Sybian]

Thumbs-up is bad while this is still good?:

Isn’t this the White Power sign now?

[A_B]

I’ve been using rhe Hang loose gesture. Which probably is used by people who hate puppies or something. But the thumbs up seems too trumpy and the “ok” is obviously out of bounds.

So I’m just a haole.

[P.D.X.]

Thumbs-up is bad while this is still good?:

Isn’t this the White Power sign now?

Which makes it odd that it's included in standard emoji sets. The thumbs are ambiguous imho but the 'ok' fingers have developed a pretty clear message in the last 6+ years or so.

[Nonlinear FC]

What about using thumbs up to respond to message on your phone or in Messenger or whatever?

[Ryan]

The worst thing about the ok sign is that if you accidentally do it around the wrong people you have to quickly turn it into the Griddy

[mister d]

Or three goggles?

I like the metal hand to acknowledge “yup, got it” without risking the sarcasm of a thumbs up.

[Johnnie]

Are all companies slow to get through the hiring process?

Just got the email this morning that I didn't get the job at Raytheon I interviewed for. (I figured I wouldn't when I was asked a few times about certain specifics of the job and I answered truthfully. I could tell from the non verbal responses that I wasn't it.)

And then there's another job I gave my details for in a separate email to the recruitment person and haven't heard back yet from that either.

I guess I'll have to broaden the job search.

[A_B]

Are all companies slow to get through the hiring process?

Just got the email this morning that I didn't get the job at Raytheon I interviewed for. (I figured I wouldn't when I was asked a few times about certain specifics of the job and I answered truthfully. I could tell from the non verbal responses that I wasn't it.)

And then there's another job I gave my details for in a separate email to the recruitment person and haven't heard back yet from that either.

I guess I'll have to broaden the job search.

Kind of like why they call it fishing and not catching, Job hunting is a thing more than job finding. I've had a couple of hits but nothing too serious in the past few months, and like you I need to just apply to more places.

[degenerasian]

It's like online dating, just spam inboxes.

[Shirley]

Are all companies slow to get through the hiring process?

Not all, but many. Maybe most. And it's not uncommon to just get ghosted. It's unprofessional, but it happens.

To be somewhat fair, it's not uncommon to get hundreds of applications for some job openings. It can be overwhelming and very time consuming.

[sancarlos]

Are all companies slow to get through the hiring process?

Not all, but many. Maybe most. And it's not uncommon to just get ghosted. It's unprofessional, but it happens.

To be somewhat fair, it's not uncommon to get hundreds of applications for some job openings. It can be overwhelming and very time consuming.

Back after my company was acquired and I was job-searching, I was mainly talking to head hunter firms. They were notorious for just ghosting you. No update, no feedback, no response unless you pressed them.

[The Sybian]

Are all companies slow to get through the hiring process?

Just got the email this morning that I didn't get the job at Raytheon I interviewed for. (I figured I wouldn't when I was asked a few times about certain specifics of the job and I answered truthfully. I could tell from the non verbal responses that I wasn't it.)

And then there's another job I gave my details for in a separate email to the recruitment person and haven't heard back yet from that either.

I guess I'll have to broaden the job search.

If it's a job you really want, you need to stay on top of them (internal recruiter or head hunter). My wife interviewed with her current boss, thought it went, and didn't hear back for a month. She followed up a couple times with her head hunter, but never got an answer. Maybe 6 weeks later, her now boss called her directly asking what happened with the interview process, and it turns out the internal recruiter dropped the ball and the head hunter probably didn't follow up and just said she did.

I had mixed results in timeliness the past year or so while I was interviewing. I was passively looking at postings and taking calls/LinkedIn messages from recruiters and head hunters, sometimes the process was quick, just a few days between interviews and follow up. One I didn't care about took 3 weeks after my third or fourth round interview to reject me. My previous job was the absolute best recruiting process I've ever seen. 5 rounds of interviews, and within an hour after each round, the internal recruiter called me and gave me very detailed feedback from the interviewer. He was surprisingly candidate and each time told me to expect another interview. He contacted me to schedule the next one within 24 hours, and I was able to schedule all within a day or two. Crazy fast, they told me to expect an offer within an hour of the final interview.

Biggest advice I have for submitting to public postings is the try to figure out who the job reports to, and to submit a resume directly to that person. Most postings will say "position reports to the Head of Sales" or whatever. If the manager forwards it to the internal recruiter, they are going to give you a call ASAP and schedule. Submitting through a portal is a complete crapshoot and stupid algorithms sort out the piles, so a very good chance a human never looks at your resume.

[Johnnie]

Hmm, ok. That's good info to have. The Raytheon jobs are posted through a website they own and I just hit the apply button and wait until I get an email. So there isn't exactly a person I can track down and nag every day for answers.

I don't have a LinkedIn or account on ZipRecruiter or anything, so it looks like I'll have to spend some time in the coming days creating and updating those websites and putting my info out there for people to search.

Hopefully that's fruitful. Thanks for the advice, Syb.

[The Sybian]

Hmm, ok. That's good info to have. The Raytheon jobs are posted through a website they own and I just hit the apply button and wait until I get an email. So there isn't exactly a person I can track down and nag every day for answers.

I don't have a LinkedIn or account on ZipRecruiter or anything, so it looks like I'll have to spend some time in the coming days creating and updating those websites and putting my info out there for people to search.

Hopefully that's fruitful. Thanks for the advice, Syb.

You should definitely create a LinkedIn account and make sure you optimize your experience to include key words for positions you are looking for. It’s the biggest tool for recruiters and headhunters to find candidates.

[sancarlos]

Yeah, it’s pretty much mandatory to get on Linked In in the the job hunting world.

[EnochRoot]

Also you should have some life after military onboarding people telling you this stuff.

Raytheon is a home run, but there are many more gov't contracts. Did you say you were InfoSec?

[Johnnie]

Nope, logistics. InfoSec would've been cool though.

[EnochRoot]

Nope, logistics. InfoSec would've been cool though.

Supply chain has a need for InfoSec too. Talk to your ex-military advisors about gov't contracts and getting setup in that arena.

[Shirley]

Hmm, ok. That's good info to have. The Raytheon jobs are posted through a website they own and I just hit the apply button and wait until I get an email. So there isn't exactly a person I can track down and nag every day for answers.

I don't have a LinkedIn or account on ZipRecruiter or anything, so it looks like I'll have to spend some time in the coming days creating and updating those websites and putting my info out there for people to search.

Hopefully that's fruitful. Thanks for the advice, Syb.

You should definitely create a LinkedIn account and make sure you optimize your experience to include key words for positions you are looking for. It’s the biggest tool for recruiters and headhunters to find candidates.

Yeah, dude, LinkedIn is a must. Not only is it where people will look you up, but it's very helpful to find people you might know at a company you're interested in.

[The Sybian]

Hmm, ok. That's good info to have. The Raytheon jobs are posted through a website they own and I just hit the apply button and wait until I get an email. So there isn't exactly a person I can track down and nag every day for answers.

I don't have a LinkedIn or account on ZipRecruiter or anything, so it looks like I'll have to spend some time in the coming days creating and updating those websites and putting my info out there for people to search.

Hopefully that's fruitful. Thanks for the advice, Syb.

You should definitely create a LinkedIn account and make sure you optimize your experience to include key words for positions you are looking for. It’s the biggest tool for recruiters and headhunters to find candidates.

Yeah, dude, LinkedIn is a must. Not only is it where people will look you up, but it's very helpful to find people you might know at a company you're interested in.

Also a great point. Build up your network on LinkedIn, connect with everyone you know (and wouldn't be embarrassed by being connected to in a professional setting). Most companies have a portal for employees to submit referrals, and these are given more weight than I would have imagined, and from my experience, the referred candidates get moved through the process much faster. Friends will be happy to help, and many companies pay a referral fee, so everybody wins. Even if there isn't a referral portal, you can have your contact inquire and help push it through.

[Johnnie]

Thanks, fellas. I'm going through the motions now until I dip out here shortly to go run errands.

What's nice is that I get a free year of premium for being prior military.

[MaxWebster]

yeah i mean LinkedIn is on the one hand completely annoying (i find the feed to be a lot of bootlicking nonsense) but it's inarguable that it's also a fantastic resource for job hunting - you might even (likely) get people reaching out to you (that's actually how i got my first job back in WNY after spending months w/ recruiters).

i'll connect w you if you get it set up - the whole 2nd-connection thing helps match people and since i'm w the Fed i bet a lot of people would love to see military on your resume!

[The Sybian]

yeah i mean LinkedIn is on the one hand completely annoying (i find the feed to be a lot of bootlicking nonsense) but it's inarguable that it's also a fantastic resource for job hunting - you might even (likely) get people reaching out to you (that's actually how i got my first job back in WNY after spending months w/ recruiters).

i'll connect w you if you get it set up - the whole 2nd-connection thing helps match people and since i'm w the Fed i bet a lot of people would love to see military on your resume!

Yeah, the feed is insufferable. I don't look at it often.

[elflaco2]

echoing the above on linked in.
friend of mine is a headhunter (finance world) .. spends 90% of his day on Linkedin

make the connections, but add a personal note to the invites. that's key.

[The Sybian]

When I switched jobs, I knew it'd be more difficult doing workplace investigations internally rather than as a consultant for clients I didn't have to talk to again. Just got my first sexual harassment case and the allegation is against our head of IT for our East Coast offices. Guy is super friendly and I've spent a decent amount of time conversing with him. Had to call him into my office and interview him. More awkward than I accounted for, but what was worse was reading the interview notes from an allegation against him from before I worked there. Such a mix between laughing and retching. Knowing the female employee made the whole scene soooo much worse. Basically, both drunk at a conference and she consensually went back to his hotel after some kissing and fondling, then he made things weird. The questions from now manager who isn't experienced in investigations were so fucking funny. "Do you normally take your pants off as soon as you enter a hotel room?"

[degenerasian]

When I switched jobs, I knew it'd be more difficult doing workplace investigations internally rather than as a consultant for clients I didn't have to talk to again. Just got my first sexual harassment case and the allegation is against our head of IT for our East Coast offices. Guy is super friendly and I've spent a decent amount of time conversing with him. Had to call him into my office and interview him. More awkward than I accounted for, but what was worse was reading the interview notes from an allegation against him from before I worked there. Such a mix between laughing and retching. Knowing the female employee made the whole scene soooo much worse. Basically, both drunk at a conference and she consensually went back to his hotel after some kissing and fondling, then he made things weird. The questions from now manager who isn't experienced in investigations were so fucking funny. "Do you normally take your pants off as soon as you enter a hotel room?"

What does 'he made things weird' mean? Even if they had sex, that's not weird, especially after kissing and fondling. She's not transitioning to his room for a chat.

Once she consensually goes back to his hotel room, how do you prove the rest?

"Do you normally take your pants off as soon as you enter a hotel room?" Of course. Even when alone. Anything else would be time wasting.

[A_B]

Consent is constant. You can consent to one thing but that doesn't mean you consent to everything. I get the implication, but there's a reason It's Always sunny made fun of that. Consent can be withdrawn at any time.

[degenerasian]

Consent is constant. You can consent to one thing but that doesn't mean you consent to everything. I get the implication, but there's a reason It's Always sunny made fun of that. Consent can be withdrawn at any time.

That must be hard to prove though the further along it is. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. I mean, if she refused at the conference during the kissing and fondling stage, she would maybe have witnesses. But instead people maybe see kissing and fondling but not the withdrawal.

[P.D.X.]

Yeah you don't have a free pass just because the chick goes back to yours.

[L-Jam3]

Consent is constant. You can consent to one thing but that doesn't mean you consent to everything. I get the implication, but there's a reason It's Always sunny made fun of that. Consent can be withdrawn at any time.

I remember pointing out the bolded part in to some guys in college who were dealing with a he said/she said scenario. I put it like this. Let's say a guy is inside a girl and she's on her back. All the sudden during heavy talk the guys says "oh my God, you're so much better than my mom at this!" Does she have to let him finish? Of course not. That would be absurd. Of course consent can be withdrawn.

[mister d]

One decent tact against "consent is implied by arrival" types is to ask if it includes anal. When most say no, you can work backwards to why they think there are certain lines etc, etc.

[degenerasian]

I'm asking legally, your examples above would be hard to prove, no?

"Oh my God, you're so much better than my mom at this!" She says stop and he has to stop mid-thrust or it's rape?

[L-Jam3]

I'm asking legally, your examples above would be hard to prove, no?

"Oh my God, you're so much better than my mom at this!" She says stop and he has to stop mid-thrust or it's rape?

Legally, he has to stop as soon as he understands what she was saying or it's assault with a dick.