2023 World Cup

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:08 am

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:11 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:06 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:41 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:53 am 8 leg parlay
Swiss over Philippines
Spain over Cost Rica
USA over Vietnam
England over Haiti
Sweden over South Africa
France over Jamaica
Germany over Morocco
Brazil over Panama

$2 pays out $2.58
That's risky. There's going to be a draw in there somewhere.

You'd get the same odds taking USA -5, which would be the better bet I think.
Wanted some motivation to pay attention to early games. There are some crazy odds on these games. Figured $2 was a fair price for that..plus basically just dumping my Mexico to win gold cup in regular time (thank you 88th minutes winner) and over 1 goal winnings in from last night.
quarter of the way to 2 quarters of profit.

Well fuck you France. I mean Jamacia was paying their own way to the tournament. But the USA -5 would have lost too.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:14 am

This is the worst overall start to a tournament I've ever seen. We talk about the expanded field but the big teams cannot breakdown the little ones. Other than Japan.

I appreciate the minnows working hard but the finishing overall has been appalling.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:33 am

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:08 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:11 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:06 am
degenerasian wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:41 am
wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:53 am 8 leg parlay
Swiss over Philippines
Spain over Cost Rica
USA over Vietnam
England over Haiti
Sweden over South Africa
France over Jamaica
Germany over Morocco
Brazil over Panama

$2 pays out $2.58
That's risky. There's going to be a draw in there somewhere.

You'd get the same odds taking USA -5, which would be the better bet I think.
Wanted some motivation to pay attention to early games. There are some crazy odds on these games. Figured $2 was a fair price for that..plus basically just dumping my Mexico to win gold cup in regular time (thank you 88th minutes winner) and over 1 goal winnings in from last night.
quarter of the way to 2 quarters of profit.
Well fuck you France. I mean Jamacia was paying their own way to the tournament. But the USA -5 would have lost too.

Sweden were lucky too, they were down a goal.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:10 am

Philippines beat the Kiwis 1-0... wow.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am

Pretty much caught up on highlights...

Some of the goalkeeping is embarrassing. But there have also been some incredible saves. The Filipino keeper stood on her head.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:24 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:10 am Philippines beat the Kiwis 1-0... wow.

Some horns honking and flags on display in Little Manila (my neighbourhood is an odd mix of Jewish, Filipino, Russian and Mediterranean types)

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:34 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am Pretty much caught up on highlights...

Some of the goalkeeping is embarrassing. But there have also been some incredible saves. The Filipino keeper stood on her head.

How much of the goalkeeping being less than stellar can be attributed to the size of the players? The net's still the same size, right? And some of these shots are coming in at speeds that don't look that far off form the men's game. I just wonder if naturally it will be a little "worse" because the women can't get the same reach that the men have.

ETA: Looks like the Filipino keeper is the tallest player in the tournament! Now I gotta go check all the squads. EATA: She isn't the starter. Starter is 5'8".

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:37 am

My wife's amazing extended family are rooted in a good chunk of a village in the Philippines relocating to Ajax and Mississauga 60 some odd years ago. My FIL took another route and wound up in Seattle for medical school and then wound up in DC working at NIH. I mean "working" as like, whatever an Admiral would be in the PHS.. He was on the cover of Newsweek back when that meant something.

Anyways, I just texted the family thread that the Filipino GK is awesome... And possibly whiter than I am... I love this team!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:44 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:34 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am Pretty much caught up on highlights...

Some of the goalkeeping is embarrassing. But there have also been some incredible saves. The Filipino keeper stood on her head.
How much of the goalkeeping being less than stellar can be attributed to the size of the players? The net's still the same size, right? And some of these shots are coming in at speeds that don't look that far off form the men's game. I just wonder if naturally it will be a little "worse" because the women can't get the same reach that the men have.

ETA: Looks like the Filipino keeper is the tallest player in the tournament! Now I gotta go check all the squads. EATA: She isn't the starter. Starter is 5'8".

So, having been a GK coach for both boys and girls, I've seen so much of both that I can kind of bake in that there are differences in terms what is plausible/feasible for the women.

My issue are the number of goals I've seen coming off of keepers literally spilling the ball into the net. I just don't recall seeing that so often in years past. The South Korean goalie gave up an absolute howler against Colombia. Ball is right at her and it just goes right threw her hands. I didn't mark them down, but I know at least 2 others from the last couple of days that are just high school level bad.

i mean, bad goals happen at all levels. The goal given up in the ENG-USA game in South Africa is a great example. But it's usually not happening 4-5 times in the group stage.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:52 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:44 am
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:34 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:15 am Pretty much caught up on highlights...

Some of the goalkeeping is embarrassing. But there have also been some incredible saves. The Filipino keeper stood on her head.
How much of the goalkeeping being less than stellar can be attributed to the size of the players? The net's still the same size, right? And some of these shots are coming in at speeds that don't look that far off form the men's game. I just wonder if naturally it will be a little "worse" because the women can't get the same reach that the men have.

ETA: Looks like the Filipino keeper is the tallest player in the tournament! Now I gotta go check all the squads. EATA: She isn't the starter. Starter is 5'8".
So, having been a GK coach for both boys and girls, I've seen so much of both that I can kind of bake in that there are differences in terms what is plausible/feasible for the women.

That makes a lot of sense. I can see that you would watch and see things totally differently and already account for that. Carry on!

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:08 am

Casey Phair, the 16 yo who came on for South Korea and became the youngest player ever in a WC, plays for my daughter's club. She is teammates with the family friend I mentioned a few weeks ago who got capped for the England U16 squad.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:22 am

Well that would be the reason the for the high school level plays. They're playing HS level players. I can watch that down the street.

Also syb since no update in the other thread... Sounds like she took the ecrl spot?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:29 am

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:22 am Well that would be the reason the for the high school level plays. They're playing HS level players. I can watch that down the street.

Also syb since no update in the other thread... Sounds like she took the ecrl spot?

Yes, but the coach never got to see them play and he is moving players between ECRL and ECNL when they start up in November. I'm hoping she decides to impress him. She played a couple tournaments this summer with a mixed RL/NL team, and she is so worried about people thinking she is a ball hog, she wasn't shooting or taking on defenders. I need her to understand that at a tryout or when an opportunity to move up presents, she needs to show off a bit. Or at least not one touch pass ever time the ball comes to her.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:38 am

McDaniel is awesome, she got them to this world cup. I once posted the video here of them beating Taiwan in the shootout to qualify.

Philippines women's football success has skyrocketed out of nowhere. Here's a team that's never even medaled in the SEA Games. Not the Asian Games, the Southeast Asian Games. Didn't make the semis this year even before the tournament (lost to Myanmar). But now has a famous World Cup win and a chance at the knockout stage.Norway have been awful so far.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:59 am

Girls, in particular, have trouble being "greedy" at times. Seen it a lot and it's hard to convince them that it's for the good of the team.

Have her watch Rodman, Alyssa Thompson and Sophia Smith. If I'm remembering watching those clips, she's in a high winger slot? Those players are great models, if so. If she's coming out of the back, have her focus on Crystal Dunn.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:06 am

Also i think the offside rule needs to be revisited. Is this really an advantage?

There's no way a linesman could catch this in real time, the head is less than an inch ahead and it occurred 30 yards from goal.
Yes, the head is a scoring part of the body but not from 30 yards away while chasing a ball.

Maybe the rule should be modified according to which body part is playing the ball?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:12 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:59 am Girls, in particular, have trouble being "greedy" at times. Seen it a lot and it's hard to convince them that it's for the good of the team.

Have her watch Rodman, Alyssa Thompson and Sophia Smith. If I'm remembering watching those clips, she's in a high winger slot? Those players are great models, if so. If she's coming out of the back, have her focus on Crystal Dunn.

Pugh was the model for years, she primarily plays on the wing in a 4-3-3. This summer she played mostly as a 10, so she did slide a lot of balls through for breakaways to the forwards, but she passed up too many shooting opportunities. Every club coach tells her she needs to shoot more, and she is always more concerned about people thinking she is a ball hog. Varsity coach pulled her aside and told her the same thing and I think she will listen to him. She is even more concerned about the older girls thinking she is cocky or a ball hog, but he pulled her aside and told her he knows she can beat her defenders and would rather she her try and lose the ball than pass every time.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:40 am

I wouldn't necessarily put that on girls. Lots of players are too deferential particularly in new environments or more competitive environments than they're used to. You know what's worse than one touch back to sender? Five touches and losing it. Do that a few times and you won't have to worry about touches. You do have to go out of your way to show your strengths in a tryout scenario but I'd much sooner a team of kids that want to share it than a team of kids that try to beat third defenders or big touch and sprint. If you have a entire team of skilled aware movement players to me thats optimal and you just teach but I don't think most coaches are interested in that. Just way way way easier and probably more effective to rely on physical attributes.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:01 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:06 am Also i think the offside rule needs to be revisited. Is this really an advantage?

There's no way a linesman could catch this in real time, the head is less than an inch ahead and it occurred 30 yards from goal.
Yes, the head is a scoring part of the body but not from 30 yards away while chasing a ball.

Maybe the rule should be modified according to which body part is playing the ball?

Oh, I meant to bring that up! This is what Wenger is talking about... They ARE changing the rule and that goal is the PERFECT example.

I can't remember what leagues are testing it, but they are... And this will be the new rule for everybody, possibly in time for the 2026 WC.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... cup-charge

A few years back my co-worker's daughter from L.A. was recruited and played for the u-17 Philippines national team in the AFC qualifiers. She went D3 and I think has since stopped playing, but guessing a teammate or two of hers or on the squad.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:07 pm

Sweden, Netherlands and Italy.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:15 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:07 pm https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... cup-charge

A few years back my co-worker's daughter from L.A. was recruited and played for the u-17 Philippines national team in the AFC qualifiers. She went D3 and I think has since stopped playing, but guessing a teammate or two of hers or on the squad.

So yup, apparently played with Frilles (her cousin was on her high school team), Olivia (Gk) and Chandler McDaniel. McDaniel's dad is the person who recruited my co-worker's daughter. Also said there were a few from a club team in Sweeden she played with.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:31 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:01 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:06 am Also i think the offside rule needs to be revisited. Is this really an advantage?

There's no way a linesman could catch this in real time, the head is less than an inch ahead and it occurred 30 yards from goal.
Yes, the head is a scoring part of the body but not from 30 yards away while chasing a ball.

Maybe the rule should be modified according to which body part is playing the ball?
Oh, I meant to bring that up! This is what Wenger is talking about... They ARE changing the rule and that goal is the PERFECT example.

I can't remember what leagues are testing it, but they are... And this will be the new rule for everybody, possibly in time for the 2026 WC.

Or at least the victims have to challenge. Why are FIFA reviewing offsides automatically? The Philippines had no idea and didn't protest the equalizer. I dog on hockey rules a lot but in hockey, you have to challenge offsides, at a risk of being penalized 2 minutes if you're wrong.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:35 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:08 am Casey Phair, the 16 yo who came on for South Korea and became the youngest player ever in a WC, plays for my daughter's club. She is teammates with the family friend I mentioned a few weeks ago who got capped for the England U16 squad.

That’s really cool.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:46 pm

degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:31 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:01 pm
degenerasian wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 11:06 am Also i think the offside rule needs to be revisited. Is this really an advantage?

There's no way a linesman could catch this in real time, the head is less than an inch ahead and it occurred 30 yards from goal.
Yes, the head is a scoring part of the body but not from 30 yards away while chasing a ball.

Maybe the rule should be modified according to which body part is playing the ball?
Oh, I meant to bring that up! This is what Wenger is talking about... They ARE changing the rule and that goal is the PERFECT example.

I can't remember what leagues are testing it, but they are... And this will be the new rule for everybody, possibly in time for the 2026 WC.
Or at least the victims have to challenge. Why are FIFA reviewing offsides automatically? The Philippines had no idea and didn't protest the equalizer. I dog on hockey rules a lot but in hockey, you have to challenge offsides, at a risk of being penalized 2 minutes if you're wrong.

It is what it is, so at this point, at least fix the rule to stop taking what should be a good goal off the board. The image we keep looking at is a pretty outrageous example of what you're talking about. So let's flip it so that the outliers (calls this close) break in the right way for the good of the game.

I honestly don't see this changing anyone's style of play. You are still going to try and spring a trap... Shit, for a lot of defenders, that "oh shit, I'm keeping them on" thing is part of being a good defender. And forwards aren't going to all of a sudden get faster.. It's all about split second timing.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:17 am

Got my Rapinoe shirtsey on today at work. already got a weird look from one lady who is...well you know.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:26 am

Canada's kits are awesome. Just look great on the screen.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:37 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:17 am Got my Rapinoe shirtsey on today at work. already got a weird look from one lady who is...well you know.

Dutch? Yuck.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:41 am

rass wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:37 am
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:17 am Got my Rapinoe shirtsey on today at work. already got a weird look from one lady who is...well you know.
Dutch? Yuck.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:48 am

It's a gullywasher.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:23 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 7:26 am Canada's kits are awesome. Just look great on the screen.

Canada has classic red/white white/red uniforms. But they insist on adding black and patterns to mess it up. Their reds didn't look good last match.

this was 1986

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:17 pm

My parents have gone to bed for the night and I turned on their tv to watch usa v. Netherlands. But Directv is in a dispute with Nextar, which owns the station slated to show the game - so that channel is temporarily off the air. Nextar owns 197 stations across the country, so this is perhaps a notable issue for ratings.

Thank goodness for Telemundo!

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:19 pm

My bet on a draw at +240 just got really interesting.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:19 pm

un poco, pero no es bien

Just right down the throat there

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:23 pm

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 8:19 pm My bet on a draw at +240 just got really interesting.

I'm convinced that betting the draw 75% of the time in relatively close matchups is profitable

of course, you have to pick those spots well and that's easier said than done

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:16 pm

Real bad body language from this US team and they continue to get beat to 50/50 balls.

Post by **brian** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:24 pm

The lesson as always - do NOT piss Lindsay Horan off.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:24 pm

Fuck yes! Huge few minutes there for Horan. Good script writing, soccer gods.

cerranoredux · Post by **cerranoredux** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:25 pm

brian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:24 pm The lesson as always - do NOT piss Lindsay Horan off.

Certified badass. That was a fun fucking goal.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:26 pm

Nice one.