The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:45 amIt's less empathy and realizing that attacking these people and their beliefs entrenches them deeper in their believes. OTOH, it takes months of patiently discussing issues with people to have a chance at opening their eyes, and very few are willing to listen, so fuck it. Attack away.
I think that would apply to someone who has really lost their minds about UFOs or the US did 9/11 or something. Those are like "whoops, opened my mind up at the wrong time and now I'm believing some weird shit" whereas whatever you want to label this Trump shit is built on a foundation of hate.
For many it's hate, for others it is a fear of what they don't understand. I think a lot of anti-trans people believe they are helping trans kids by passing laws prohibiting gender affirming care. They don't understand trans issues or don't believe it's a real thing. They think kids are confused or being fed Liberal lies that trans is a real thing. I've watched clips of how Fox and assholes like Ben Shapiro talk about the issues, and they are providing terrifying lies fueling the anger, but for many, it's coming from a good place of trying to protect kids.
*Side rant: The latest argument that drive me nuts is that gender affirming care is "sexualizing children." I think DeSantis was railing about this a few days ago. They are confusing discussing gender issues in children with sexualization and pedophilia and grooming. How the fuck do they not understand that a child can know they aren't the same as their assigned binary gender is different than sexualization? And what is the Venn diagram between people holding this belief and those putting their 5 yo daughters into beauty pageants?
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:47 am
And what is the Venn diagram between people holding this belief and those putting their 5 yo daughters into beauty pageants?
The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:45 amIt's less empathy and realizing that attacking these people and their beliefs entrenches them deeper in their believes. OTOH, it takes months of patiently discussing issues with people to have a chance at opening their eyes, and very few are willing to listen, so fuck it. Attack away.
I think that would apply to someone who has really lost their minds about UFOs or the US did 9/11 or something. Those are like "whoops, opened my mind up at the wrong time and now I'm believing some weird shit" whereas whatever you want to label this Trump shit is built on a foundation of hate.
For many it's hate, for others it is a fear of what they don't understand. I think a lot of anti-trans people believe they are helping trans kids by passing laws prohibiting gender affirming care. They don't understand trans issues or don't believe it's a real thing. They think kids are confused or being fed Liberal lies that trans is a real thing. I've watched clips of how Fox and assholes like Ben Shapiro talk about the issues, and they are providing terrifying lies fueling the anger, but for many, it's coming from a good place of trying to protect kids.
*Side rant: The latest argument that drive me nuts is that gender affirming care is "sexualizing children." I think DeSantis was railing about this a few days ago. They are confusing discussing gender issues in children with sexualization and pedophilia and grooming. How the fuck do they not understand that a child can know they aren't the same as their assigned binary gender is different than sexualization? And what is the Venn diagram between people holding this belief and those putting their 5 yo daughters into beauty pageants?
Say this is a right wing problem is an easy answer. But where are religious Muslim, Jewish, Christian opposition placed on this spectrum? LGTBQIA2S+ is a fairly new and western concept, very recently the parts after L and G.
For example, yesterday Trudeau claimed that Muslim parents who object to gender identity education are misled by 'far right'. No Justin, Muslims are anti-LGBT because of their religion. And I think the West are in for a big surprise if governments try to place immigrants, minorities and social issues into the same tent.
The vast majority of immigrants coming to Canada are from very religious and very conservative areas of the world. It's not a left wing-right wing issue for them, it's about 'their' moral value. Therefore, the population of people who have these intolerant LGBT views is growing, not shrinking, and that is concerning. Of course, many people immediately ring the racism alarm bell that we hate the brown people but that is lazy and really just sticking your head in the sand.
It's not indoctrinating when my kids know instinctively that it's stupid to hate someone like their first cousin (my niece) who is gay. Who you love is innate, who you hate is not.
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Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:06 pm
It's not indoctrinating when my kids know instinctively that it's stupid to hate someone like their first cousin (my niece) who is gay. Who you love is innate, who you hate is not.
That's a good point, kids aren't racist or bigoted against anyone until they are taught. Although Degen makes a good point that to a religious person, they aren't hating, but helping people realize they are disobeying a 2000 year old book written by goat herders.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
-Pruitt
Giff wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:06 pm
It's not indoctrinating when my kids know instinctively that it's stupid to hate someone like their first cousin (my niece) who is gay. Who you love is innate, who you hate is not.
That's a good point, kids aren't racist or bigoted against anyone until they are taught. Although Degen makes a good point that to a religious person, they aren't hating, but helping people realize they are disobeying a 2000 year old book written by goat herders.
And only revised by humans with agendas a few hundred times probably.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
mister d wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:35 pm
Whether its based in religion or not, its still hate. We allow that to be decoupled way too often.
It depends which religion. If Muslims are opting out based on religious freedoms, now you have a conflict.
Be respectful of these parents' sincerely held religious beliefs while appealing to the reality that as Muslims we are a marginalized community and need to stand with others in need against the real bigots.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
Was Dane Edna popular in the States? If so we've had cross dressers forever but it's bing weaponized now?
There was absolutely nothing innately sexual about male comedian Barry Humphries wearing flamboyant women's clothing and garish makeup for his act, and watching the show certainly didn't turn me gay.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:01 pm
Was Dane Edna popular in the States? If so we've had cross dressers forever but it's bing weaponized now?
Not sure about Dame Edna...but Milton Berle was doing drag on his TV show back in the 50's...
I know in Vietnam, there's not really a big organized religion. The Tet offensive was around a "holiday" that is basically their new year celebration, but it's not necessarily a religious thing (like christmas or ramadan or hanukkah).
Looked it up: Thailand is 95 percent Buddhist and Vietnam is about 75 percent "irreligious," 15 percent Buddhist and around 7 percent Catholic.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:06 pm
LGTBQIA2S+ is a fairly new and western concept, very recently the parts after L and G.
Thailand is probably the most trans country in the world.
Do you have real stats or just the prevailing trope to back this claim up? I honestly don't have a clue about the former, but the latter was certainly prevalent when I was in my early college years. It wasn't uncommon in mainstream media. Either friends of The Office (both of which I've rewatched recently) used the "thai ladyboy" as a punchline. I'm not attacking you here, Shirley, I'm legit curious. My sensibilities have changed (some obvious reasons, some less obvious, all needed to change no matter what) and now those types of references definitely get stuck in my craw.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
I think Shirley is correct and Buddhism is quite tolerant of anyone. But it's not like the Thais are immigrating to the West in huge numbers.
Where are people coming from:
China - intolerant in general
Philippines - Catholic
Korea - Christian
Middle East - Muslim
Eastern Europe - Intolerant
Yes I'm overgeneralizing but don't be surprised if more anti-LGBT are immigrating than pro. This is shown here by Muslim parents challenging the public school curriculum on sex ed and LGBT issues..
Tet Offensive was simply a sneak attack when there was supposed to be a truce.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 12:06 pm
LGTBQIA2S+ is a fairly new and western concept, very recently the parts after L and G.
Thailand is probably the most trans country in the world.
Do you have real stats or just the prevailing trope to back this claim up? I honestly don't have a clue about the former, but the latter was certainly prevalent when I was in my early college years. It wasn't uncommon in mainstream media. Either friends of The Office (both of which I've rewatched recently) used the "thai ladyboy" as a punchline. I'm not attacking you here, Shirley, I'm legit curious. My sensibilities have changed (some obvious reasons, some less obvious, all needed to change no matter what) and now those types of references definitely get stuck in my craw.
That's why I threw the "probably" in there. It's definitely the only place I'm aware of where it's a well-known and popular aspect of the culture. Really, I was just trying to refute the notion that it's new and western.
I’m visiting my 80+ year-old parents in New Mexico right now. Ive learned from their local AM talk radio that liberals are hateful, vile, depraved people. And, the two main issues in America are the hordes of criminals streaming in through the wide open southern border, and all the evil crimes done by Hunter Biden.
And, their neighbors in their 55+ gated community seem to be under the impression that San Francisco is a cross between Sodom and Gomorrah and some tent city from Mad Max. They express much surprise that I’m not actively looking to get the hell out of godless California.
I can't seem to find a link that works for me with video, but what the hell happened with McConnell? Apparently he just completely froze while talking?
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
A_B wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 3:27 pm
I can't seem to find a link that works for me with video, but what the hell happened with McConnell? Apparently he just completely froze while talking?
When that happened to the father of your other Senator recently it turned out to be a massive stroke.
On March 2 [2021], the Kentucky Senate passed SB 228. It changes procedures for U.S. Senate vacancies. Under current laws, as in most states, if a U.S. Senate seat becomes vacant, the Governor appoints a replacement who serves until the next regularly-scheduled congressional election. The bill changes this, so the Governor can only appoint one of three names suggested by the political party that had held the seat before the vacancy occurred. However, that would be followed by a special election that would occur sooner than under current law.
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On March 2 [2021], the Kentucky Senate passed SB 228. It changes procedures for U.S. Senate vacancies. Under current laws, as in most states, if a U.S. Senate seat becomes vacant, the Governor appoints a replacement who serves until the next regularly-scheduled congressional election. The bill changes this, so the Governor can only appoint one of three names suggested by the political party that had held the seat before the vacancy occurred. However, that would be followed by a special election that would occur sooner than under current law.
The Republican-run Kentucky legislature on Monday easily overrode Gov. Andy Beshear's veto of a notable bill that restricts his ability to fill any vacancies that arise if one of the state's U.S. senators dies or leaves office early.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, the commonwealth's powerful senior senator, threw his support behind Senate Bill 228. That sparked speculation that the 79-year-old statesman, who just got reelected last fall, might be eyeing the exits.
I haven't seen anywhere if its a possibility, but damn it would be righteous if the seat becomes vacant and the KY Governor refused to announce a replacement.
Could be political suicide, atleast in state? For both him and McConnell to be elected, there has to be some voter crossover and you'd be risking those people.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:13 pmOh shit, you just reminded me about toilet paper.
He couldn't do anything this year as he's up for reelection and no need to make a tactical error like that. And if it did happen that McConnell had to step down (or otherwise not be around) then the special election would probably be at the same time as the Governor's race. I guess that would take some lead time.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
