NFL Free Agency

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:01 pm

It's rare that there would be high-quality, low-risk QBs running around who you can sign or trade for. So it seems pretty reasonable for the Cowboys to pay up for one who's at least in the top half of NFL starters, and take their shot.

Odds are that it won't work -- but what play is better given their situation? Jettison Romo and try to win with Cassell, Flynn, or Palmer? Try to draft a good QB when you don't have an early pick and it's a very weak year at that position?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:34 am

I Gots Guns Bitches wrote:romo is a bad decision on legs. I can't stand the cowboys or romo, but no, you can't win a superbowl with him. He is a piece of shit when it counts. Thats why the cowboys will never get to where it really counts.

A few months ago you couldn't win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:54 am

Can't win a Super Bowl with Arian Foster until proven otherwise.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:48 pm

Grasspenis wrote:
I Gots Guns Bitches wrote:romo is a bad decision on legs. I can't stand the cowboys or romo, but no, you can't win a superbowl with him. He is a piece of shit when it counts. Thats why the cowboys will never get to where it really counts.

A few months ago you couldn't win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco.

And you can't win multiple Super Bowls with Peyton Manning

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:02 pm

Also at one point, Drew Brees couldn't win big games.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:04 pm

That is true.

Brontoburglar wrote:And you can't win multiple Super Bowls with Peyton Manning

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:15 pm

Tom Brady can't win without spying hahahahahahaha!!!

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:35 pm

One the other hand he has won some AFC championships (and came within about 5 minutes of have two more rings but ya he sucks.)

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:00 pm

Proven loser for 8 years and counting.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:40 am

Stop the presses....Rex Grossman is off the market and will continue on with Washington.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:44 am

mister d wrote:Can't win a Super Bowl with Arian Foster until proven otherwise.

We know how that's going to end. Don't worry...as always, I'll be OK.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:07 am

Rush2112 wrote:One the other hand he has won some AFC championships (and came within about 5 minutes of have two more rings but ya he sucks.)

Did you guys have a "within 5 minutes of two more rings" parade? I mean when you put up 14 and 17 you expect to bring home the trophy.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:13 am

Grasspenis wrote:
Rush2112 wrote:One the other hand he has won some AFC championships (and came within about 5 minutes of have two more rings but ya he sucks.)

Did you guys have a "within 5 minutes of two more rings" parade?.

That still would have been less embarrassing for Boston than the Ray Bourque parade.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:13 am

dot dot dot within five minutes of losing the three super bowls they won dot dot dot

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:20 am

Rush doesn't even realize that he's helping to make the point.

Post by **brian** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:44 pm

Number three on the NFL all-time scoring list is retiring.

The Lions have had two kickers in 33 years. It's going to be weird seeing someone else handling it this season.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:52 pm

Same thing with Raiders fans, when the realize some other dude is punting every series.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:23 pm

When was the last time the Jets won anything? (Aside from most amusing fumble.)

mister d wrote:Proven loser for 8 years and counting.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:18 pm

Icepenis wrote:Same thing with Raiders fans, when the realize some other dude is punting every series.

Clapping.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:04 am

Rush2112 wrote:When was the last time the Jets won anything? (Aside from most amusing fumble.)

mister d wrote:Proven loser for 8 years and counting.

DAMN! Rush saying you can't win a Super Bowl with Sanchize!

He's really getting the point of this!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:36 am

Yeah, but he nailed me with that fumble jokeohwaitnohedidntbecausedidyouknowthelawfirmhahahaneverfumblesbutthenheleft
newenglandandtheirdopeyrunningbackknockedhimselfoutandfumbledintheafcchampionshipgamelolhahahacantwinwithridley
orbradyhahaha!!!

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:19 am

Pats made an offer to Sanders. Steelers will get a 3rd round pick if they don't match.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:45 am

I'd take the pick.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:47 am

Vs the reported $4MM or so for next season? Yeah.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:48 am

Icepenis wrote:I'd take the pick.

Yeah, maybe they can use it to move up to get Milliner or Jordan if they're in striking distance. Of course, they'll be in the market for a receiver too.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:57 am

Jerloma wrote:
Icepenis wrote:I'd take the pick.
Yeah, maybe they can use it to move up to get Milliner or Jordan if they're in striking distance. Of course, they'll be in the market for a receiver too.

Absolutely no reason to trade up for Milliner. Jordan I don't think is worth it either. Weak top of the draft.

They can probably just get another middling WR in round 3.

Post by **brian** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:07 pm

Icepenis wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
Icepenis wrote:I'd take the pick.
Yeah, maybe they can use it to move up to get Milliner or Jordan if they're in striking distance. Of course, they'll be in the market for a receiver too.

Absolutely no reason to trade up for Milliner. Jordan I don't think is worth it either. Weak top of the draft.

They can probably just get another middling WR in round 3.

No, use it to trade up to No. 5 and get Milliner. I'd be happy if the Lions got some picks to trade back to the middle of the first round if they can't get Joeckel or Fisher.

Johnny Hotcakes · Post by **Johnny Hotcakes** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:17 pm

Totally agree, Brian. There doesn't seem to be a compelling difference between what you can get at 5 and what you can get at 15. Most mocks I've seen recently now have Ezekiel Ansah going in the top 5, and that would scare the shit out of me if my favourite team was in that mix. Raw athletic freak new to the game with limited college production? Not in the top 5, thank you.

timgod99X · Post by **timgod99X** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:18 pm

brian wrote:No, use it to trade up to No. 5 and get Milliner. I'd be happy if the Lions got some picks to trade back to the middle of the first round if they can't get Joeckel or Fisher.

My thoughts on the Eagles at No. 4 as well. Hoping someone thinks Detroit or Cleveland wants Millner, or that two of the top three left tackles go in the top three picks making Arizona/Miami/? move up.

Post by **brian** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:38 pm

Yeah, if the Lions take Ansah, I'm going to...well, probably sigh very deeply and shake my head.

Mayhew loves DL, so they might very well end up taking him, then again Ansah is a little bit of a project and they're under heat to win now in Detroit, so I think he may go with the safer choice (Milliner) if Fisher or Joeckel aren't there. Put another way -- they need someone that they can slot into the starting lineup on Day 1 and Ansah ain't that guy.

(Really that pretty much goes for any team drafting in the top 5. With the exception of QB, if you're not drafting a guy who isn't going to start Week 1, you're doing it wrong.)

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:52 pm

Ansah is a hot commodity as a 3-4 OLB. I doubt very highly that the Lions have significant value attached to him.

FredRomero · Post by **FredRomero** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:38 pm

Jerloma wrote:Pats made an offer to Sanders. Steelers will get a 3rd round pick if they don't match.

On a scale of Welker/Randy Moss to Donald Hayes/Ochocinco, what should I expect from Sanders?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:43 pm

A Welker-y type who drops even more passes, runs much faster in 40-yard dashes on a track than in an NFL game, and fumbles the ball when no one touches him. On the plus side, he gets hurt a lot and can't fumble when he's hurt.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:45 pm

FredRomero wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Pats made an offer to Sanders. Steelers will get a 3rd round pick if they don't match.
On a scale of Welker/Randy Moss to Donald Hayes/Ochocinco, what should I expect from Sanders?

Equidistant from either side. I actually think he could catch 75-80 balls on the Pats. He's quick like Welker and has good hands, probably not as good a route runner though. Although he did have this weird knack of fumbling the ball last year but that was pretty much the entire offense. Average kick returner.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:46 pm

Icepenis wrote:A Welker-y type who drops even more passes, runs much faster in 40-yard dashes on a track than in an NFL game, and fumbles the ball when no one touches him. On the plus side, he gets hurt a lot and can't fumble when he's hurt.

You think he has bad hands? Really? I don't recall that. I recall him making some amazing catches as a matter of fact.

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:51 pm

timgod99X wrote:Hoping someone thinks Detroit or Cleveland wants Millner, or that two of the top three left tackles go in the top three picks making Arizona/Miami/? move up.

The general thinking here in Cleveland is they will try to move down to get a second-round pick. They lost their 2nd rounder when they took Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft last year.

If the Browns don't get a trade offer they like and Milliner is still available, they'll take him.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:53 pm

Jerloma wrote:
Icepenis wrote:A Welker-y type who drops even more passes, runs much faster in 40-yard dashes on a track than in an NFL game, and fumbles the ball when no one touches him. On the plus side, he gets hurt a lot and can't fumble when he's hurt.
You think he has bad hands? Really? I don't recall that. I recall him making some amazing catches as a matter of fact.

Yeah, I have a memory of quite a few Sanders drops. Maybe I just don't notice when he catches the ball.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:01 pm

Sabo wrote:
timgod99X wrote:Hoping someone thinks Detroit or Cleveland wants Millner, or that two of the top three left tackles go in the top three picks making Arizona/Miami/? move up.
The general thinking here in Cleveland is they will try to move down to get a second-round pick. They lost their 2nd rounder when they took Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft last year.

If the Browns don't get a trade offer they like and Milliner is still available, they'll take him.

If Millner isn't available, I hope they trade way down.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:36 pm

Apparently, the Ravens are in the running to sign Rolando McLain. If the deal is affordable, is there a downside? If he flakes out again, they can just release him.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:06 pm

bfj wrote:Apparently, the Ravens are in the running to sign Rolando McLain. If the deal is affordable, is there a downside? If he flakes out again, they can just release him.

He was really poor for the Raiders and a cancer in the locker room, if the local media is to be believed, and is still getting in off-field trouble, even this offseason. But, he was a big star in college, so there must be talent there. Maybe Ray Lewis can come be a mentor for him (I'm serious - he seems immature and burned by his tenure in Oakland, maybe he just needs a football father figure that he respects.)