Kevin McCarthy's Speakership

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:48 pm

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:54 pm

Dems in Disarray!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:56 pm

The "bothsidesism" right now is truly off the charts. The GOP is a fucking tire fire right now and it's not even up for debate. Call it like it is.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 3:58 pm

Nice to know that McCarthy will forever be a punchline. Looks good on him.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:06 pm

Do the right-wingers have enough votes to get one theirs in as speaker? What a clusterfuck.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:08 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:06 pm Do the right-wingers have enough votes to get one theirs in as speaker? What a clusterfuck.

Why'd you subtweet Frost?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:03 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:08 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:06 pm Do the right-wingers have enough votes to get one theirs in as speaker? What a clusterfuck.
Why'd you subtweet Frost?

I mistook him for somebody else. Oops. Deleted.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Oct 03, 2023 8:37 pm

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:02 am

And from what I'm seeing they plan to...nominate Trump?

Seems reasonable.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 4:58 am

It's nice to laugh at McCarthy but this is going to lead to some bad stuff. He at least avoided government shutdowns. Right now it looks like Gaetz and the crazies' plan is to find someone who trolls libs and destroying the country with a shutdown and other bullshit.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:33 am

Yeah, I get a Dem wanting to vote against McCarthy. He's a douche and just blamed them for threatening the shutdown when they are the ones who voted to avoid it. Buuuuuuut, they are playing a dangerous game risking the GOP nominating a true MAGA crazy.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:35 am

Now being petty about office space. Not mccarthy, the interim speaker.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:38 am

It's just incredible to me how chaos always seems to be a working strategy that Democrats can't adjust to.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:38 am It's just incredible to me how chaos always seems to be a working strategy that Democrats can't adjust to.

Have you ever tried herding cats?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:42 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:39 am
Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:38 am It's just incredible to me how chaos always seems to be a working strategy that Democrats can't adjust to.
Have you ever tried herding cats?

That's true.

At the very least, mass movement deployments have the "I can go to your colonel and he/she will unfuck your attitude if you don't listen to me" outlet.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:45 am

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:33 am Yeah, I get a Dem wanting to vote against McCarthy. He's a douche and just blamed them for threatening the shutdown when they are the ones who voted to avoid it. Buuuuuuut, they are playing a dangerous game risking the GOP nominating a true MAGA crazy.

McCarthy just tried to impeach Biden.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:47 am

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:45 am
Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:33 am Yeah, I get a Dem wanting to vote against McCarthy. He's a douche and just blamed them for threatening the shutdown when they are the ones who voted to avoid it. Buuuuuuut, they are playing a dangerous game risking the GOP nominating a true MAGA crazy.
McCarthy just tried to impeach Biden.

Yes, but so would approximately 100% of other Republican representatives. Like I said, I get wanting to hurt McCarthy, but you have to game theory this shit.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:57 am

If McCarthy were a reasonable actor, I'd agree. The risk here is that their entire party comes together on someone even worse than McCarthy before your side can get something for pushing a more reasonable candidate over the line, right?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:24 am

I get the direction of the conversation, but you are asking an awful lot of these folks to ignore him going on Sunday morning shows and blaming Democrats for pushing a shutdown scenario. That was simply outrageous.

Folks have to also realize, this really is like high school in terms of cliques, emotions, adrenaline, hormones, etc. It is often driven by emotion. I know it shouldn't be, but, again, you're asking an awful lot of these folks to just go all Spock on this shit and drive everything through a logical prism.

At some point, btw, the House Republicans need to get their shit together. Allowing one member to hijack an entire session is ludicrous and exposes them as unable to govern. Period.

That's not for the Democrats to solve, frankly.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:26 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:24 am

That's not for the Democrats to solve, frankly.

Part of my intent with my cat herding was that the republicans were the cats. ANd I think it's OK to let them fight internally.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:31 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:26 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:24 am

That's not for the Democrats to solve, frankly.
Part of my intent with my cat herding was that the republicans were the cats. ANd I think it's OK to let them fight internally.

Exactly. Let them show their collective ass... Low info voters are probably only hearing "chaos" and don't understand anything beyond that.

What's truly incredible is that no one on the GOP side is understanding that backing Trump and his chaos is LOSING THEM ELECTIONS. All this does is further the "please STFU and just get things done" vibe that most moderates and independents have latched onto.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:45 am

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:26 am
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:24 am

That's not for the Democrats to solve, frankly.
Part of my intent with my cat herding was that the republicans were the cats. ANd I think it's OK to let them fight internally.

This is my take, but I'm also not comfortable with the thought of who replaces McCarthy. I feel like this is a bit of the dog catching the car. I heard Gaetz say on several interviews that he knows the Dems will save McCarthy and he wasn't bringing the motion to succeed, but to embarrass McCarthy and go on a tour showing the Dems saving McCarthy as proof that he is a tool for the Dems. I assume he would then use that as leverage to force McCarthy to cave in on the whims of Gaetz and his wing of loons. I know McCarthy seems sane and rational compared to the MTG, Gaetz and Boeberts of the House, but McCarthy is at the level of the worst of the GOP circa 2010.

One of the problems with our current state of politics is that one of our two parties runs on a platform of "Government doesn't work," and their mission is to jam sticks in the gears to make sure it doesn't work. Their base gets off on "owning the libs" even if it means policies that hurt them personally. They can (and do) constantly threaten to shut down the government, because they don't care about the millions of Americans that get fucked over, especially since it's mostly poor and minorities. And they always try to pin the shutdowns on the Dems, but I don't think that works outside of their most uninformed base. The few Republicans who do care can sit back knowing the Dems will be the adults in the room and work to keep the government open. On the downside, it's negotiating with terrorists and just encourages them to be worse and pry more out of the Dems in the next budget negotiation.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:09 pm

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:16 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:57 am If McCarthy were a reasonable actor, I'd agree. The risk here is that their entire party comes together on someone even worse than McCarthy before your side can get something for pushing a more reasonable candidate over the line, right?

That's exactly my fear. I don't want Speaker MTG.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:18 pm

I suspect neither does the money behind the GOP.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:21 pm

Any new speaker should not want that "one person can force a vote" thing to be part of the rules.

Post by **brian** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:24 pm

This is all just further proof this is not a serious political party with serious people. Gaetz et al rant and rave that they’re unsuccessful slashing spending and all their other fantasies but never seem to remember they’re a thin majority and the Senate and White House are Dems. Given that you have to negotiate to get even 25 percent of what you want but these turds think politics is a zero-sum game.

So good. Daffy Duck (R-FL) can just keep shooting himself in the face. The 2024 House ads already write themselves.

Baloney · Post by **Baloney** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:29 pm

Is he up to the job?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:30 pm

Can't help but wonder if someone puts a new set of eyes on his accusations from last year.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:41 pm

That motherfucker is only 47 years old???

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:43 pm

He's like every SCTV guy combined

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:58 pm

Newt Gingrich: Republicans must expel Matt Gaetz

Gaetz’s motion to remove McCarthy should have been swiftly defeated, but it wasn’t; he should still be expelled from the House Republican Conference. House Republicans have far more important things to do than entertain one member’s ego.

Newt's pretty old these days, so he must not remember when he shut down the entire Government because President Clinton made him exit Air Force 1 by the back door.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:07 pm

Nominee gets questioned before a vote, right? Cuz if it's jim jordan...

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:19 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:07 pm Nominee gets questioned before a vote, right? Cuz if it's jim jordan...

I don't think so. Just a bunch of speeches extolling "virtues" and a nomination.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:28 pm

Yeah, the rough equivalent of any type of grilling would be behind closed doors in their caucus/conference meetings. Shit gets real and they've taken to telling ppl to leave cell phones back in their offices.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:06 pm

Baloney wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:29 pm Is he up to the job?

Too bad the box he's standing on doesn't show up in that picture (unless you click).

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:12 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:06 pm
Baloney wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 12:29 pm Is he up to the job?

Too bad the box he's standing on doesn't show up in that picture (unless you click).

Does he carry that milk crate around with him at all times?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:15 pm

I'm sure he has a bag man. Er, crate man.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:21 pm

lol - check out the bottoms of his pants - he's bought pants for a taller person too .

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Oct 04, 2023 2:23 pm

Glad you said that, I didn’t see the box he is standing on!

Most of the RW pundits I saw were going off on Gaetz before he brought the motion (or whatever it’s called). Some were furious, and these were assholes that are usually pro-Gaetz. I do love watching the less crazy wing go to wave it’s the crazies. The let the inmates run the asylum, and now they can’t control them. And assholes like Gaetz, MTG and Boebert don’t give a fuck about decorum or anything other than attention and viral videos. Hopefully they just blow up the Party and not take the country with them.