NFL 2023 Week 10

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:08 pm

Jerloma wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:05 pm
rass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:52 pm
Jerloma wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:44 pm
L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:08 pm Taking the Steelers this week in Survivor is way too risky and I should just go with Cincy, right? (Dallas isn't available to me)
Did you end up going with Pitt or Cincy?
And who were we rooting for today? Cleveland result is ok if our team wins next week but maybe the bengals should have won.
I feel like there's never a time I root for the Ravens other than when they were playing the good Patriots in the playoffs, but I was bonding with a Browns fan at the bar, so this was particularly awesome.

Listening in the car I settled on Watson losing is ok anytime

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:09 pm

Still can’t believe the Texans lucked into Stroud. I don’t think they will run the table because the NFL is so crazy week to week, but they have very winnable games here on out.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:36 pm

Whoever gets the ball last is going to win this Charger/Lion game.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:45 pm

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:00 pm Stating what would seem to be completely obvious, but CJ Stroud is clearly already a top 10 QB

I took Cincy in Survivor to answer Jerloma. I’m not even upset. I was thinking with Nico Collins out it’d be a safer pick than I thought. Instead he just went down the list and made Noah Brown a monster.

I was at my son’s soccer match so I was only following along on the CBS app so I was only reading what happened. From someone who watched that game, was it that much of a clinic? Because reading it, it seemed like Houston was chunk play after chunk play.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:58 pm

And no need for stats - you watch the kid play and he is already an amazing NFL QB

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:02 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:36 pm Whoever gets the ball last is going to win this Charger/Lion game.

That’s the EIGHTH 4th down try in this game.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:22 pm

Was listening off and on to the local Steelers radio pregame today and the one comment that stuck was from when they were talking about injuries and Kwon Alexander stepping into a leadership role and needing to be “put in bubble wrap”.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:38 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:02 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:36 pm Whoever gets the ball last is going to win this Charger/Lion game.
That’s the EIGHTH 4th down try in this game.

officially eight, unofficially nine. and the way the game should be managed too. eight of the nine were within two yards, all in opposing territory

4th and 5 converted
4th and 1 converted
4th and goal (opp 1) failed
4th and goal (opp 1) converted TD
4th and 1 (opp 2) converted TD
4th and goal (opp 1) penalty
4th and goal (opp 1) converted TD
4th and 1 converted TD
4th and 2 converted

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:54 pm

As if the results wouldn’t be wildly different if like 24 of the other teams were involved instead

Post by **brian** » Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:11 pm

5 games ended on a score with no time remaining, the most in a single day in NFL history.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:59 am

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:07 pm Maybe. Watch the game. On time. Good decisions. Accurate. Escapes. Improvises. And steps in with no practice snaps. Not much more to ask from a backup. Someone should pay the man

Watch all the other games. Unless he’s turned a corner today he’s not accurate or on time

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:00 am

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:00 pm Stating what would seem to be completely obvious, but CJ Stroud is clearly already a top 10 QB

Another one where the NFL just massively overthought if. CJ Stroud is one of the most accurate qbs to come out in years

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:34 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:45 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:00 pm Stating what would seem to be completely obvious, but CJ Stroud is clearly already a top 10 QB
I took Cincy in Survivor to answer Jerloma. I’m not even upset. I was thinking with Nico Collins out it’d be a safer pick than I thought. Instead he just went down the list and made Noah Brown a monster.

I was at my son’s soccer match so I was only following along on the CBS app so I was only reading what happened. From someone who watched that game, was it that much of a clinic? Because reading it, it seemed like Houston was chunk play after chunk play.

Yes.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:12 pm

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:59 am
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:07 pm Maybe. Watch the game. On time. Good decisions. Accurate. Escapes. Improvises. And steps in with no practice snaps. Not much more to ask from a backup. Someone should pay the man
Watch all the other games. Unless he’s turned a corner today he’s not accurate or on time

Got to judge what someone is today not what they used to be. Not saying he's a sure thing just that reliance on history that allows for opportunity now. Julian Edelman could have been had for zero and the signs were blinking. Don't think he's unique in NFL. Hard to know. I'll hedge a touch on accurate though soldif from what I saw but on time for sure.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:49 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:12 pm
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:59 am
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:07 pm Maybe. Watch the game. On time. Good decisions. Accurate. Escapes. Improvises. And steps in with no practice snaps. Not much more to ask from a backup. Someone should pay the man
Watch all the other games. Unless he’s turned a corner today he’s not accurate or on time
Got to judge what someone is today not what they used to be. Not saying he's a sure thing just that reliance on history that allows for opportunity now. Julian Edelman could have been had for zero and the signs were blinking. Don't think he's unique in NFL. Hard to know. I'll hedge a touch on accurate though soldif from what I saw but on time for sure.

It's certainly possible but I need to see more, and I also have no idea what Julian Edelman being undrafted has to do with Josh Dobbs potentially making big strides in start #9 or whatever it is.

Dobbs' first or second completion probably should have been a pick 6.

Post by **brian** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:51 pm

Josh Dobbs turning into Roy Hobbs overnight after switching teams sounds like something that would happen to fuck the Lions.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:54 pm

I'm watching some highlights and I wouldn't say he's "on time" but he looks a lot more comfortable than I can remember.

TD to Hockenson was definitely nice.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:54 pm

Edelman could have been had as a proven free agent off injury. One of those belichick gamble and crawl back after market said no

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:58 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:54 pm Edelman could have been had as a proven free agent off injury.

Thinking Julian Edelman is a star-type player is peak New England. Teams didn't want Hines Ward, I'm not surprised they didn't value poor man's Hines Ward as much as the Patriots did.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:00 pm

U got a problem with Edelmans talent. Whatever. Hines Ward no doubt but nobody doubted the physicality. Edelman could have been picked up for cheetos

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:06 pm

Julian Edelman was barely used by the Patriots. Josh Dobbs has started like 8 games this season. He threw some darts in this game and maybe he's the next Geno Smith but he wasn't some secret player who didn't get much of an opportunity.

Edelman had 40 targets total in the two final years of his rookie deal. Dobbs has again started like every game this year.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:17 pm

Maybe playing in Minnesota will unlock something but I just need a little more evidence that he's turned a corner.

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:49 pm

"Jesus Fucking Christ!" - Every Bills fan right now.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:29 pm

That was an absolutely wild final 2 minutes in this game.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:31 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:29 pm That was an absolutely wild final 2 minutes in this game.

What a perfect ending. Both teams did everything they could to lose this game. Broncos miss a game winning field goal from 41. But Buffalo had 12 men on the field.Broncos make the second attempt.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:35 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:31 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:29 pm That was an absolutely wild final 2 minutes in this game.
What a perfect ending. Both teams did everything they could to lose this game. Broncos miss a game winning field goal from 41. But Buffalo had 12 men on the field.Broncos make the second attempt.

Denver also left 2 points on the field with the failed extra points too.

Also, I'm conditioned to believe that underthrown balls will just automatically necessitate a pass interference too. Right, wrong, or whatever, the defender just cannot stop momentum and turn fast enough to effectively defend a ball they aren't looking at.

Edit

Also, that "kneel down, defensive timeout, kneel down, defensive timeout, kneel down, offense rush off the field, special teams rush on the field" sequence was odd to watch.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:58 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:35 pm
The Sybian wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:31 pm
Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:29 pm That was an absolutely wild final 2 minutes in this game.
What a perfect ending. Both teams did everything they could to lose this game. Broncos miss a game winning field goal from 41. But Buffalo had 12 men on the field.Broncos make the second attempt.
Denver also left 2 points on the field with the failed extra points too.

Also, I'm conditioned to believe that underthrown balls will just automatically necessitate a pass interference too. Right, wrong, or whatever, the defender just cannot stop momentum and turn fast enough to effectively defend a ball they aren't looking at.

Edit

Also, that "kneel down, defensive timeout, kneel down, defensive timeout, kneel down, offense rush off the field, special teams rush on the field" sequence was odd to watch.

The underthrown ball would be intercepted by a competent defender. It's the ones that are beat and can't turn around that gets penalized.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:13 am

Why do we blame incompetent defenders rather than incompetent throwers? I cannot stand DPI called on horribly thrown balls.

Josh Allen decided that my fantasy team was not going to be winning anything this year. Needed him to be merely competent this week and in week 1 and in both cases he steadfastly refused.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:26 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:13 am Why do we blame incompetent defenders rather than incompetent throwers? I cannot stand DPI called on horribly thrown balls.

Josh Allen decided that my fantasy team was not going to be winning anything this year. Needed him to be merely competent this week and in week 1 and in both cases he steadfastly refused.

Same for me, I lost by 2. I was pissed when Denver missed the extra point because I needed one more drive from Alle and was hoping Bills score then go to OT. Just a perfect storm last night; numerous dropped passes, 2 INTs, the run game suddenly looking great and that fucking fumbled handoff!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:41 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:26 am
Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:13 am Why do we blame incompetent defenders rather than incompetent throwers? I cannot stand DPI called on horribly thrown balls.

Josh Allen decided that my fantasy team was not going to be winning anything this year. Needed him to be merely competent this week and in week 1 and in both cases he steadfastly refused.
Same for me, I lost by 2. I was pissed when Denver missed the extra point because I needed one more drive from Alle and was hoping Bills score then go to OT. Just a perfect storm last night; numerous dropped passes, 2 INTs, the run game suddenly looking great and that fucking fumbled handoff!

Same, was hoping the Bills managed to miss that XP.

I rage-quit for a few minutes after the handoff fumble.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:33 am

Rewatching the graphic last night of the Buffalo playing Wheel of Fortune. They really missed a joke because it should’ve been missing the “W”.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:11 am

Pruitt IV · Post by **Pruitt IV** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:54 pm

Dorsey shitcanned about 5 weeks too late.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:37 am

Gunpowder wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:13 am Why do we blame incompetent defenders rather than incompetent throwers? I cannot stand DPI called on horribly thrown balls.

Josh Allen decided that my fantasy team was not going to be winning anything this year. Needed him to be merely competent this week and in week 1 and in both cases he steadfastly refused.

Because the referee cannot assume that the ball was underthrown. What if the pattern meant for the receiver to curl back? If a defender cannot intercept a poorly underthrown ball, that means he was beat to begin with, out of position and scrambling to recover. It's like when a basketball defender bites on a pump fake and jumps, any contact is now a foul against him (which people hate too).

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:21 pm

Well said, Degen.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:55 pm

Except that in basketball, the defender gives up his position when he leaves his feet. The CB has a right to his space, and if a receiver turns on a dime and creates contact with the CB, why assume it's not offensive pass interference?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:57 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:55 pm Except that in basketball, the defender gives up his position when he leaves his feet. The CB has a right to his space, and if a receiver turns on a dime and creates contact with the CB, why assume it's not offensive pass interference?

It could be, if the defender were making a play to intercept. The majority of the time in this scenario, the DB isn't even looking at the ball.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:57 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:55 pm Except that in basketball, the defender gives up his position when he leaves his feet. The CB has a right to his space, and if a receiver turns on a dime and creates contact with the CB, why assume it's not offensive pass interference?

Because most football games I've seen recently have been tedious enough without making offense even harder?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:01 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:55 pm Except that in basketball, the defender gives up his position when he leaves his feet. The CB has a right to his space, and if a receiver turns on a dime and creates contact with the CB, why assume it's not offensive pass interference?

If the defender is set and facing the ball and the receiver comes back and creates contact, it's definitely OPI.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:02 pm

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:57 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 1:55 pm Except that in basketball, the defender gives up his position when he leaves his feet. The CB has a right to his space, and if a receiver turns on a dime and creates contact with the CB, why assume it's not offensive pass interference?
It could be, if the defender were making a play to intercept. The majority of the time in this scenario, the DB isn't even looking at the ball.

Right, but the smart / good QB puts the ball behind the defender where the WR has to reach through him, and the flag gets thrown because of DPI. The good QB games the situation. If the WR has to stop and turn around, he's actually creating the contact. It's not PI because the defender isn't even in the correct direction, but it should still be illegal contact, no?