NCAA FB 2023

[sancarlos]

I don’t follow CFB like some of you here, so grain of salt. But Florida State got shafted. Go undefeated and win a Big 5 conference should mean you’re a top four team.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but did they consider the fact that Florida State is down to its third string quarterback?

[Rex]

Hate Texas

[Rex]

Sorry, that was for the Random Thoughts thread

[HaulCitgo]

Uhhh yeah they considered it. First time I've felt like more than 4 teams would have a shot to win. TV wouldn't go for it but the committee should have flex to do 4 or 8. Really hope they don't go beyond 8 unless they kill the Championship games

[HaulCitgo]

This new playoff just doesn't require conference champions. Makes the evaluation worse not better. Maybe a team like Iowa might benefit from a shot but the body of work is a better indicator than a one off with questionable and variable competition.

[L-Jam3]

I get that, I just still think FSU should’ve gotten a slot. I look as if this was March Madness and a Power 7 (Power 5 + AAC & Big East) team won its conference and tied for the fewest number of losses among those Power 7, they get a 1-seed, no questions asked.

Reasonable minds can disagree. I’ll watch these four teams.

[Nonlinear FC]

Anyone mention Delaware is moving to FBS is 2025 in C-USA?

I saw a tongue in cheek mention of this from a MI fan complaining that there can only be one winged helmet in FCS. (Again, dude was kidding.)

[Nonlinear FC]

I get that, I just still think FSU should’ve gotten a slot. I look as if this was March Madness and a Power 7 (Power 5 + AAC & Big East) team won its conference and tied for the fewest number of losses among those Power 7, they get a 1-seed, no questions asked.

Reasonable minds can disagree. I’ll watch these four teams.

I don't think many are going to disagree that FSU got boned here. But with that said, the Committee's own procedures say they can consider injuries (just like in bball) that clearly affect the team's play. And on that front, there is no question FSU was not as dangerous w/o their 1st (and 2nd!) string QB.

Put it to you this way, guess which team MI would much rather NOT play in the semis.

And, Citgo? You know they're going to 12 next year, right? Not trying to be a dick but it's been mentioned constantly in the run-up to today's selection. This will be the last year they have to fret... Next year it'll all be about seeding and who gets a first round bye. I mean, I don't know who is living down in the 10-16 zone, but that's not going to carry nearly as much controversy as leaving out FSU does.

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They basically had to go this route (putting in Bama and Texas). If they'd left out Texas and FSU for Georgia/Bama, the outrage would've been through the fucking roof. Either way, MI was going to playing an SEC team.

But as it stands, they can still say they put in 4 conference champions. It's actually a little nuts there hasn't been a situation where 5 of the conferences didn't come in undefeated or with one loss before.

[degenerasian]

So there was no way FSU was getting in? Unless one of the other undefeated lost? Even then they could have put Georgia in.

[HaulCitgo]

Well then college football just sucks

[brian]

Well then college football just sucks

"Welcome to tbe party, pal!" (said as John McClane in Die Hard).

Well, a few years ago FSU would have been the odd team out since it was only two teams.

[Brontoburglar]

So there was no way FSU was getting in? Unless one of the other undefeated lost? Even then they could have put Georgia in.

Georgia was ranked at No. 6 behind Florida State at No. 5

[degenerasian]

So there was no way FSU was getting in? Unless one of the other undefeated lost? Even then they could have put Georgia in.

Georgia was ranked at No. 6 behind Florida State at No. 5

5 and 6 is easy to rank. But if it were 4 and 5...

I don't think they want a 3rd string QB in the playoffs. They could have put the 2 time defending champs in, only lost to Alabama.

[Brontoburglar]

you know there was not going to be a third-string QB starting a playoff game if FSU made it, right?

[mister d]

Does the whole "you're undefeated but too injured to be as good as your resume" logic count if there's a major OT or DE injury or is it just QB?

[tennbengal]

you know there was not going to be a third-string QB starting a playoff game if FSU made it, right?

Was the first string guy due back by the playoff?

[govmentchedda]

Second string would be back. He was almost back for ACC Championship game.

[Shirley]

It's wild to me how much sway Alabama has over college football. It feels like every year that Bama isn't undefeated, the whole system works hard to argue why they should make the playoffs anyway. I think they started with the notion that Alabama was getting in (once they beat Georgia). Then, I think they figured they had to include Texas too, since they're the team that beat Alabama.

What's wild is that the team that was screwed is Florida State. Florida State! It's not like they're some 2nd tier program or Johnny-come-lately. They've won multiple titles themselves. It just shows again how much power and influence Alabama has over the sport. It's pretty wild when you consider it in the national perspective. Of all places and schools, Alabama?

[HaulCitgo]

Ima go ahead and say weve seen the pinnacle of college football and its all downhill from here. Just too much greed and not enough caring about the players or the institutions. Theyve created an unworkable situation for the majority of the nonrevenue athletes at each school and theyve diminished the product on the field with too many games just like every pro league. Some judge is going to question the tax exempt status and employment status. Some league is going to break away from the NCAA. Some rationally thinking trustees and presidents will realize it makes no sense to mix professional football and academics. Some college kid is gonna die on national television in front of 50,000 people.

[degenerasian]

Does the whole "you're undefeated but too injured to be as good as your resume" logic count if there's a major OT or DE injury or is it just QB?

Probably not. They overcame injuries to go undefeated but are now being penalized for having injuries.

[brian]

It also shows how there are really only two major conferences now - the SEC and Big Ten. The Big 12 and ACC just added a bunch of middling programs and they’ll get their auto-bids but they’re going to get passed over for at-large bids in the 12-team.

[HaulCitgo]

Not sure its Alabama as much as it is the SEC. And theyre right. The SEC winner should always get it because it is the best league and has been so since the beginning of the playoff.

[degenerasian]

It's wild to me how much sway Alabama has over college football. It feels like every year that Bama isn't undefeated, the whole system works hard to argue why they should make the playoffs anyway. I think they started with the notion that Alabama was getting in (once they beat Georgia). Then, I think they figured they had to include Texas too, since they're the team that beat Alabama.

What's wild is that the team that was screwed is Florida State. Florida State! It's not like they're some 2nd tier program or Johnny-come-lately. They've won multiple titles themselves. It just shows again how much power and influence Alabama has over the sport. It's pretty wild when you consider it in the national perspective. Of all places and schools, Alabama?

You're right. So if Georgia had won, there is no longer an argument to leave FSU out? FSU was 4th going in and Texas 7th. Texas beat a team worse than FSU beat. So because Alabama won, Texas' resume is suddenly that much better?

[Nonlinear FC]

While I hear what you're saying, I'll just say Bear Bryant.

And just in general, you could say that about most of the SEC... My thinking is that most of those states, up until fairly recently, didn't have a pro team to root for and that's some of the most football-crazy populations in the country (Friday Night Lights isn't just a TX thing.)

[degenerasian]

Not sure its Alabama as much as it is the SEC. And theyre right. The SEC winner should always get it because it is the best league and has been so since the beginning of the playoff.

yes. SEC gets all the over-rated pre season rankings, so they all stay in the top 25 because they are either beating highly ranked teams, or not getting punished much for losing to highly ranked teams. But when they play outside of their conference, they aren't proving their superiority on the field. They were 4-6 against ACC schools.

[Shirley]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

[degenerasian]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

No but the other teams get more points for beating Tennessee and Arkansas.

The only reason FSU and Clemson haven’t left the ACC is the punitive TV deal that the conference locked in. To leave you have to pony up over 30 million dollars. The teams are going to court to try and remove that and if successful the ACC will lose its good football schools overnight and like the big east it will become a basketball conference.

[Shirley]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

The only reason FSU and Clemson haven’t left the ACC is the punitive TV deal that the conference locked in. To leave you have to pony up over 30 million dollars. The teams are going to court to try and remove that and if successful the ACC will lose its good football schools overnight and like the big east it will become a basketball conference.

Yes, it was at risk this summer too. But this will push any money arguments over the line. No way that FSU and Clemson put all that money into football only to be told they can win every game and STILL not earn a spot at the big table. There's almost no dollar figure high enough to overcome that.

[degenerasian]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

The only reason FSU and Clemson haven’t left the ACC is the punitive TV deal that the conference locked in. To leave you have to pony up over 30 million dollars. The teams are going to court to try and remove that and if successful the ACC will lose its good football schools overnight and like the big east it will become a basketball conference.

Yes, it was at risk this summer too. But this will push any money arguments over the line. No way that FSU and Clemson put all that money into football only to be told they can win every game and STILL not earn a spot at the big table. There's almost no dollar figure high enough to overcome that.

It was never a problem for Clemson. I guess for the ACC champ to get in, the SEC champ must be undefeated. If Georgia is in, FSU is in.

Last year Clemson would have gotten in over Ohio State if they hadn't lost twice.

Undefeated Cincinnati got in 2 years ago.

[Nonlinear FC]

I think most of this drama for the ACC and Big 12 goes away with 12 teams in the playoff. But that remains to be seen.

If you see the SEC and B1G get, like, 4 teams in apiece and continue to lockout the other conferences... That's gonna be a real issue. Even if they get 6 teams total... problems.

[Brontoburglar]

let's all take a step back and consider a few things for a moment

- the playoff is expanding to 12 teams next season. the power four conference champions + 1 are making the field automatically

- this was the first time in the playoff era that four P5 teams entered the final weekend of the season undefeated

- this was the first time in the playoff era that eight P5 teams entered the final weekend of the season with one loss or fewer

- this was the first time in the playoff era that seven P5 teams ended the final weekend of the season with one loss or fewer

- and to add regarding the SEC/Big Ten dominance of an expanded playoff comments -- yes, it's true that the entirety of a 12-team playoff sans FSU and Liberty are SEC/Big Ten members in 2024 and beyond. but there would also be no debate surrounding any teams from outside those conferences getting into a 12-team playoff this season. the next team up is Oklahoma and everyone else has 3 or more losses.

[sancarlos]

Yeah, it’s crazy. As was said before, above, they had to take the sec champ, and they felt they couldn’t take Alabama without also taking Texas. So fsu loses out.

[Rex]

The playoff selection process has always been about backing in to the result that the people deciding on it think is fair and (perhaps more importantly) will lead to the least amount of backlash. If they left out Alabama or Texas, they would have been dealing with an angry fan base that is even larger and more unhinged than Florida State (not to mention the SEC). That’s really all there is to say about it. Expanding to 12 teams won’t make that go away, but it will take out a lot of the sting.

[govmentchedda]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

The only reason FSU and Clemson haven’t left the ACC is the punitive TV deal that the conference locked in. To leave you have to pony up over 30 million dollars. The teams are going to court to try and remove that and if successful the ACC will lose its good football schools overnight and like the big east it will become a basketball conference.

Yes, it was at risk this summer too. But this will push any money arguments over the line. No way that FSU and Clemson put all that money into football only to be told they can win every game and STILL not earn a spot at the big table. There's almost no dollar figure high enough to overcome that.

I don't know it offhand, but I suspect that buyout number quoted by Degen is low. The grant of rights that they signed goes for at least a decade more.

[Steve of phpBB]

I get that, I just still think FSU should’ve gotten a slot. I look as if this was March Madness and a Power 7 (Power 5 + AAC & Big East) team won its conference and tied for the fewest number of losses among those Power 7, they get a 1-seed, no questions asked.

Reasonable minds can disagree. I’ll watch these four teams.

Wasn't there a similar controversy about Cincinnati's basketball team a few years ago? They would've been a 1 seed but their star got injured in one of the last games before Selection Sunday?

[Nonlinear FC]

Not the whole SEC. Tennessee or Arkansas wouldn't have gotten that treatment.

And yes, this decision officially killed the ACC. Probably the Big-12 too. After this, there's no keeping FSU and Clemson (at least) in the conference. They have to go. And then the ACC is even weaker (football-wise). It probably won't die this year, but it won't be long now. And then once the SEC and Big-10 have 20+ teams each, they'll execute the next part of their plan, eliminating the NCAA, at least for football.

The only reason FSU and Clemson haven’t left the ACC is the punitive TV deal that the conference locked in. To leave you have to pony up over 30 million dollars. The teams are going to court to try and remove that and if successful the ACC will lose its good football schools overnight and like the big east it will become a basketball conference.

Yes, it was at risk this summer too. But this will push any money arguments over the line. No way that FSU and Clemson put all that money into football only to be told they can win every game and STILL not earn a spot at the big table. There's almost no dollar figure high enough to overcome that.

I don't know it offhand, but I suspect that buyout number quoted by Degen is low. The grant of rights that they signed goes for at least a decade more.

Yeah, I looked it up and it's $120M.

(Meanwhile Jimbo Fisher is being paid $75M not to coach, so... what are really talking about with this silly amount of money.)

[Brontoburglar]

TV money directly distributed to schools and booster money paid to coaches through school foundations are apples and oranges

[A_B]

TIL that Army-Navy isn't always in Philadelphia.

[brian]

TIL that Army-Navy isn't always in Philadelphia.

Not sure where they’re playing this week but I remember them playing at MetLife in NJ a couple times. And maybe in Baltimore a couple times? Now I want to look it up.

[A_B]

TIL that Army-Navy isn't always in Philadelphia.

Not sure where they’re playing this week but I remember them playing at MetLife in NJ a couple times. And maybe in Baltimore a couple times? Now I want to look it up.

You are correct on all counts. It's in Foxborough this year.