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Dak for MVP?
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Pruitt IV wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:42 pm Dak for MVP?
I really want video of the last offensive coordinator's reaction to watching what happens when you give James Cook a reasonable amount of touches. McDermott should be ashamed of this as well.
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James Cook had 297 offensive touches in four years at Georgia. Today was his first 20-carry game since high school
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I’m not sure what would be the better option for Bills fans. Is it better if they make the playoffs and hope (as I said before) that Josh Allen turns into a kaiju for a month? Or them missing the playoffs and McDermott gets the axe, and a real coach takes over and they try to prop the window open? Because before I thought he was holding them back. But after reading that three-part article (the 9/11 article), I realized that if he doesn’t take the responsibility like the article he would, he’s liable to lose the locker room.

When they hired McDermott, I remember thinking it might’ve been a different Sean McDermott. I thought, “wait, it can’t be the same guy who tanked the Eagles’ defense in the late 00s, right?”
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Brontoburglar wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:10 pm James Cook had 297 offensive touches in four years at Georgia. Today was his first 20-carry game since high school
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this means. Is that an argument against leaving him on the field/getting him the ball? Like, have you watched the way he runs the football...currently? He's been averaging over 5 YPC since he came in. He's got filthy moves and he's like top 3 or 4 in YAC. Like, if you're saying James Cook isn't a back who should get 20 carries, the extremely small sample size isn't doing you any favors.
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Buddy, I think it’s just a novelty stat like “wow, look long it’s been since he ran the ball that many times”.
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Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:40 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:10 pm James Cook had 297 offensive touches in four years at Georgia. Today was his first 20-carry game since high school
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this means. Is that an argument against leaving him on the field/getting him the ball? Like, have you watched the way he runs the football...currently? He's been averaging over 5 YPC since he came in. He's got filthy moves and he's like top 3 or 4 in YAC. Like, if you're saying James Cook isn't a back who should get 20 carries, the extremely small sample size isn't doing you any favors.
it means that today was James Cook's first 20-carry game since high school
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Sorry. :-)
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If anyone else wants to fight me over James Cook, I'm down obviously.
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Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:01 pm If anyone else wants to fight me over James Cook, I'm down obviously.
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Bucs at Lambeau was a heck of a time today with my dad and old law school bud.
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Jaguars are gonna get roasted for not spiking it there at the end of the first half, but that's not the problem. it was throwing to a flat route like that where the receiver can be tackled in bounds
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govmentchedda wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:40 pm Bucs at Lambeau was a heck of a time today with my dad and old law school bud.
Thanks for the help btw. Last time the Lions won their division the Bucs were in it.
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brian wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:51 pm
govmentchedda wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:40 pm Bucs at Lambeau was a heck of a time today with my dad and old law school bud.
Thanks for the help btw. Last time the Lions won their division the Bucs were in it.
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govmentchedda wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:56 pm
brian wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:51 pm
govmentchedda wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:40 pm Bucs at Lambeau was a heck of a time today with my dad and old law school bud.
Thanks for the help btw. Last time the Lions won their division the Bucs were in it.
I am to please, unless you're a Pack fan. Baker had himself a day. Perfect passer rating.
Still think the Browns fucked that up royally.
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Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:06 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:42 pm Dak for MVP?
I really want video of the last offensive coordinator's reaction to watching what happens when you give James Cook a reasonable amount of touches. McDermott should be ashamed of this as well.
Outrageously bad play calling by previous OC Ken Dorsey.

In his season and a half at the helm you never saw a run-first mentality, even when it was working. Like he thought that the only reason to run at all was to set up a long pass into double coverage.
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L-Jam3 wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:14 pm I’m not sure what would be the better option for Bills fans. Is it better if they make the playoffs and hope (as I said before) that Josh Allen turns into a kaiju for a month? Or them missing the playoffs and McDermott gets the axe, and a real coach takes over and they try to prop the window open? Because before I thought he was holding them back. But after reading that three-part article (the 9/11 article), I realized that if he doesn’t take the responsibility like the article he would, he’s liable to lose the locker room.

When they hired McDermott, I remember thinking it might’ve been a different Sean McDermott. I thought, “wait, it can’t be the same guy who tanked the Eagles’ defense in the late 00s, right?”
I dunno...

Buffalo was a football wasteland before Bean and McDermott came into town.
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Pruitt IV wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:37 am
Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:06 pm
Pruitt IV wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 7:42 pm Dak for MVP?
I really want video of the last offensive coordinator's reaction to watching what happens when you give James Cook a reasonable amount of touches. McDermott should be ashamed of this as well.
Outrageously bad play calling by previous OC Ken Dorsey.

In his season and a half at the helm you never saw a run-first mentality, even when it was working. Like he thought that the only reason to run at all was to set up a long pass into double coverage.
this is also is not the way to win in the NFL with a top-five quarterback
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govmentchedda wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:40 pm Bucs at Lambeau was a heck of a time today with my dad and old law school bud.
That’s awesome! I’ve been twice and it was an outstanding time both times.
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Absolutely wild that the first QB to put up a perfect game at Lambeau as a visitor was Baker Mayfield.
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Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:40 pm
Brontoburglar wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:10 pm James Cook had 297 offensive touches in four years at Georgia. Today was his first 20-carry game since high school
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what this means. Is that an argument against leaving him on the field/getting him the ball? Like, have you watched the way he runs the football...currently? He's been averaging over 5 YPC since he came in. He's got filthy moves and he's like top 3 or 4 in YAC. Like, if you're saying James Cook isn't a back who should get 20 carries, the extremely small sample size isn't doing you any favors.
I mean you could have said this last year about Tony Pollard and it does seem like there's something to not overworking these midgets but I'm also not taking him off the field for 57 year old Latavius Murray.

Jahmyr Gibbs will likely become another test case. Like there's no reason not to give him every tough, within reason.
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It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
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Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
past time. have at it. I am an interested audience.
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Bet he regrets not going to NY.
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Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
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maybe MISTER Pegula could co-hire them to run some shit across town for the Sabres. i.e. that "other" team he bought and forgot about.

(entire organization has turned a former hockey crazed city into one of complete and utter apathy. I have watched 1 sabres game this year and don't even think about them anymore. thanks terry.)

but keeping it relevant, I have started not just watching but actually planning to watch Bills games again. And yesterday was especially joyous not because of the win but because i didn't have to hear tony romo.
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L-Jam3 wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:14 pm I’m not sure what would be the better option for Bills fans. Is it better if they make the playoffs and hope (as I said before) that Josh Allen turns into a kaiju for a month? Or them missing the playoffs and McDermott gets the axe, and a real coach takes over and they try to prop the window open? Because before I thought he was holding them back. But after reading that three-part article (the 9/11 article), I realized that if he doesn’t take the responsibility like the article he would, he’s liable to lose the locker room.

When they hired McDermott, I remember thinking it might’ve been a different Sean McDermott. I thought, “wait, it can’t be the same guy who tanked the Eagles’ defense in the late 00s, right?”
I dunno...

Buffalo was a football wasteland before Bean and McDermott came into town.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
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Maybe he’s just Derek Carr.
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Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
Who is the last high pick QB that was generational? That even worked out? Herbert?
That whole class of 2021 is struggling (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones)
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Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:32 am I don't know guys. The Steelers really have had so many chances to avoid unnecessary roughness penalties this year that they inevitably just commit anyway and it never gets fucking rectified, and this one looks particularly brutal (I also have Pittman on my fantasy team so even worse), but does anyone have any thoughts on what he was supposed to do here? The target seems clearly to be shoulder at ball. You just have the ex-factor of the receiver flying horizontally through the air. The penalty is completely fair, but for that to be an ejectable offense, doesn't intent matter? Like at what point after Pittman dives does he actually have time to switch to a different tactic?

Suspended for the rest of the season.

(and Minkah is hurt, can anyone here play safety?)
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:12 pm
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
Who is the last high pick QB that was generational? That even worked out? Herbert?
That whole class of 2021 is struggling (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones)

Lawrence was considered the best prospect since Luck by a lot of people, and it seems to me like most just kind of assume that he's already some elite QB.
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brian wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:20 pm
Jerloma wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:01 pm If anyone else wants to fight me over James Cook, I'm down obviously.
He was an overrated explorer.
Probably fucked a LOT of Polynesian hotties though.
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Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:38 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:12 pm
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
Who is the last high pick QB that was generational? That even worked out? Herbert?
That whole class of 2021 is struggling (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones)

Lawrence was considered the best prospect since Luck by a lot of people, and it seems to me like most just kind of assume that he's already some elite QB.
I mean, he's not bad. Looks like an above average starter to me. But not great. I'd love to have him in Pittsburgh. But he's not yet the star he was projected to be after that freshman year at Clemson.
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Shirley is a Steeler fan? You feel like you know a gal...
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The Sybian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:57 pm Shirley is a Steeler fan? You feel like you know a gal...
Have I been hiding that?
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We probably just forgot because of all the other loudmouth cucks called Steeler fans.
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Giff wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:59 pm We probably just forgot because of all the other loudmouth cucks called Steeler fans.
Exactly, I know Rass, GPJ and Loma are Steeler fans, and AB was the model for Steely McBeam.
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degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:12 pm
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
Who is the last high pick QB that was generational? That even worked out? Herbert?
That whole class of 2021 is struggling (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones)
SERIOUSLY?
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tennbengal wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:32 pm
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:12 pm
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am
degenerasian wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:16 am
Gunpowder wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:00 am It's finally gotta be time to start talking about Trevor Lawrence maybe not being awesome?
24 years old...i think he will be fine, but the NFL is like no other sport in ruining young guys.
Ruined him? Does he need another big free agent offensive piece to function now?

He's supposed to be generational, not just fine.
Who is the last high pick QB that was generational? That even worked out? Herbert?
That whole class of 2021 is struggling (Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones)
SERIOUSLY?
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