The Undefeated

[A_B]

Maybe it's just that they front loaded, but it looks like it could be good. Halfway through the Waco Lynching story, and it's really good so far.

[Joe K]

Replacing Jason Whitlock with Kevin Merida, an accomplished editor from the Washington Post, was definitely a massive upgrade for the project. I think it'll be good.

[govmentchedda]

Looking forward to it. Lots of love for Merida on the interwebs today.

[duff]

Maybe it's just that they front loaded, but it looks like it could be good. Halfway through the Waco Lynching story, and it's really good so far.

Holy shit! That is an amazing article.

[mister d]

Rooting hard for it just so Whitlock can eat shit.

[Johnny Carwash]

I forgot Whitlock was no longer involved, so assuming it will be better just by default.

[The Sybian]

So what is this, Grantland for black people?

[Johnny Carwash]

So what is this, Grantland for black people?

Yeah, that's basically exactly how Whitlock described it to Simmons when it was first announced in 1998.

[A_B]

Michael Wilbon has a Joe Morgan moment.

[Joe K]

Michael Wilbon has a Joe Morgan moment.

That is an atrocious article by Wilbon. ESPN should really have Amin Elhassan write a full piece in response as his comments in that article were spot on. Chris Herring, an excellent young African-American sportswriter who covers the Knicks for the Wall Street Journal and regularly uses advanced metrics in his articles, has also been posting some good responses on Twitter.

[brian]

Love that one of his first example of an "advanced stat" is WHIP. Maybe a good start would have been tasking a writer who understands what advanced stats really are. "Oh, these kids today with the hippity-hoppity and their RBI and their ERA...."

Also not sure the world needed another piece about how most pro athletes don't know or care about advanced stats. That piece has already been done to death as well. That aspect of it isn't a black or white thing. It's not like the white pros in just about any pro sport are onboard either relative to black pros.

[Joe K]

Also not sure the world needed another piece about how most pro athletes don't know or care about advanced stats. That piece has already been done to death as well. That aspect of it isn't a black or white thing. It's not like the white pros in just about any pro sport are onboard either relative to black pros.

And I'm sure that Masai Ujiri has unexpectedly built the Raptors into one of the best NBA teams by solely relying on old school scouting and the eye test. Surely his success as a GM has nothing to do with analytics whatsoever.

[howard]

Didn't get through the first sentence, Just fucking stupid.

[A_B]

Didn't get through the first sentence, Just fucking stupid.

You know, I read he first and get like it was a hack article. I gave it a bit more but it was so so bad.

[Shirley]

I made it a few paragraphs, but I had to give up. It was ridiculous and I lost respect for Wilbon for it.

I did like the Waco Lynching article though. That was well-written and worth my time.

[Pruitt]

I made it a few paragraphs, but I had to give up. It was ridiculous and I lost respect for Wilbon for it.

Made it two paragraphs in.

Not around office water coolers.

This particular cliche is a pet peeve of mine. Along with the "open letter" style column, it's one of those things that causes me to immediately stop reading.

[DSafetyGuy]

Love that one of his first example of an "advanced stat" is WHIP. Maybe a good start would have been tasking a writer who understands what advanced stats really are. "Oh, these kids today with the hippity-hoppity and their RBI and their ERA...."

I remember when WHIP first blew my mind. It was in about 1986 when it appeared in the pitching matchups preview list/table under the standings and previous night's scores.

[rass]

The Undefeated can't find anything bad to say about Jameis Winston

yuck

[mister d]

I remember when WHIP first blew my mind. It was in about 1986 when it appeared in the pitching matchups preview list/table under the standings and previous night's scores.

Still pisses me off that HBP aren't included.

[sancarlos]

I remember when WHIP first blew my mind. It was in about 1986 when it appeared in the pitching matchups preview list/table under the standings and previous night's scores.

Still pisses me off that HBP aren't included.

Must have been fun when Craig Biggio (285 career hbp) faced Randy Johnson (190 career hb).

[mister d]

RJ never hit him. Pedro Astacio (who I was always far too bullish on) was the leader with 7.

[rass]

Powerful take on Penn St's festivities this past weekend

[BSF21]

Powerful take on Penn St's festivities this past weekend

That was a tough but important piece of writing.

[Nonlinear FC]

Powerful take on Penn St's festivities this past weekend

I didn't realize Wise wound up here. I really like him. That was a powerful read.

MI plays them this weekend. I really hope we beat the snot out of them.

[sancarlos]

That was indeed a powerful piece. Fuck those people still adoring Joe Paterno.

[wlu_lax6]

That was indeed a powerful piece. Fuck those people still adoring Joe Paterno.

has PSUNate commented on Paterno here?

[Nonlinear FC]

test_user has been pretty thoughtful as a PSU person on this subject.

I know a guy who went there, good friends with one of my BILs... He's a conservative, but relatively thoughtful, so we engage from time to time. He's the kind of guy that rips Hillary but I don't see much, if any, Trump praise.

I bring that up because of the cognitive dissonance it takes to be both a Trump supporter and an unabashed JoePa backer. I was tempted to send that guy this article, just to see how what I perceive to be an intelligent guy would respond to this article.

I've said this many times, though maybe not on this board. If it turned out that Bo turned his eye to, say, Gary Moeller being a pedophile, that school/program would be dead to me. It absolutely would crush me, and I really don't think I could get over it until/unless you pretty much bleached his name and presence from everything.

And if they held a day to honor him 50 years after his first game?

Fuck Penn State, man.

[rass]

[Pruitt IV]

Aren't there algorithms that determine the ads a person is shown that are based on what they have previously browsed?

[Johnnie]

I get he wants to snap a photo to then upload immediately via his phone's app, but the snip tool is right there.

[duff]

And who doesn't use a God damn ad blocker? And he took a picture of the screen like my wife.

[MaxWebster]

exactly my thought

(...i don't even think espn.com is necessarily responsible or even can be for what he sees right? is that ISP-controlled? or espn's hoster gathers cookies and some ad co buys the info? no idea. other than it seems like someone's been balls-deep in some "research")

Aren't there algorithms that determine the ads a person is shown that are based on what they have previously browsed?

[A_B]

And who doesn't use a God damn ad blocker? And he took a picture of the screen like my wife.

Well, she seems fun, at least!

[DSafetyGuy]

exactly my thought

(...i don't even think espn.com is necessarily responsible or even can be for what he sees right? is that ISP-controlled? or espn's hoster gathers cookies and some ad co buys the info? no idea. other than it seems like someone's been balls-deep in some "research")

Aren't there algorithms that determine the ads a person is shown that are based on what they have previously browsed?

The quote-tweets of this are dunking on him for this very thing.

[Johnnie]

[Pruitt IV]

I guess we're in an era where Congressman feel it's important to comment on the alleged porn watching of hot take artists.

[Johnnie]

That person is not a representative.

[The Sybian]

That person is not a representative.

But there are TWO American flags in his name!