The Super Bowl 2024

[Tom 1860]

This is surreal. I went my entire life through the 2018 season thinking they'd never win the Super Bowl and then ... this.

So prior to 2018, you were unaware of Superbowl I or IV?

Any fan supporting Detroit, Tennessee, San Diego, etc,.. would be pretty happy with pre 2018 KC playing history.

This comes from a life long Queens Park Rangers fan, so you have no idea what surreal looks like.

He did state his entire life. Not the life of the franchise.

I am aware of this, but as a fan of a shite team, I would take solace from a history that involved, you know, winning...

[Tom 1860]

This is surreal. I went my entire life through the 2018 season thinking they'd never win the Super Bowl and then ... this.

So prior to 2018, you were unaware of Superbowl I or IV?

Any fan supporting Detroit, Tennessee, San Diego, etc,.. would be pretty happy with pre 2018 KC playing history.

This comes from a life long Queens Park Rangers fan, so you have no idea what surreal looks like.

Hell yeah man how could a 30-something year old not be thrilled about the Hank Stramm Chiefs

Hey, I am still living vicariously through Billy Cannon

[The Sybian]

This is surreal. I went my entire life through the 2018 season thinking they'd never win the Super Bowl and then ... this.

So prior to 2018, you were unaware of Superbowl I or IV?

Any fan supporting Detroit, Tennessee, San Diego, etc,.. would be pretty happy with pre 2018 KC playing history.

This comes from a life long Queens Park Rangers fan, so you have no idea what surreal looks like.

He did state his entire life. Not the life of the franchise.

I am aware of this, but as a fan of a shite team, I would take solace from a history that involved, you know, winning...

SB III only makes the Jets a slightly less embarrassing franchise historically, but if anything, it makes the pain of their futility in my lifetime even more frustrating. But my team had their iconic QB wearing panty hose in a commercial, maybe I'd have more pride if the famous image of Len Dawson smoking a cigarette on the sideline during a game represented my team's period of competence.

[Rex]

That Usher sure had some hits back in his day

[Brontoburglar]

This is surreal. I went my entire life through the 2018 season thinking they'd never win the Super Bowl and then ... this.

So prior to 2018, you were unaware of Superbowl I or IV?

Any fan supporting Detroit, Tennessee, San Diego, etc,.. would be pretty happy with pre 2018 KC playing history.

This comes from a life long Queens Park Rangers fan, so you have no idea what surreal looks like.

in the years between the 1993 AFC title game and Patrick Mahomes' first season as a starter (1994-2017), the Chiefs went 1-10 in the playoffs and were 0-6 at home. they literally went 25 years and a few days between home playoff wins.

it is, in fact, surreal as a Chiefs fan to see possibly the best five-year run in NFL history after experiencing that. and it also does not mean that at any point I thought the Chiefs were the historically worst franchise in professional football.

[DSafetyGuy]

knowing full well that Kyle Shanahan is going to get another offseason full of crap -- did anyone else find his clock management at the end of the first half to be extremely weird and conservative?

Chiefs got the ball to start the second half and they got a gift timeout from the Chiefs with 1:09 to go and ... just didn't use a TO until there were 23 seconds left on third down. there's little downside to using those timeouts earlier and seeing if you can get 45 seconds or so out of it

No, it was terrible, just not as bad as TAKING THE BALL FIRST IN OVERTIME WHEN BOTH TEAMS ARE GUARANTEED A POSSESSION BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST THE SAME QUARTERBACK WHO MADE THE LEAGUE CHANGE THE RULE, THEREBY GUARANTEEING BOTH TEAMS A POSSESSION.

[DSafetyGuy]

Within a couple minutes of the game ending, this proud, historical franchise had an important announcement:

[DSafetyGuy]

For those of you who did not like the halftime show, can I ask why? Is it just not being a fan of Usher or something else?

[mister d]

I'm Usher agnostic but I thought (1) "Yeah!" should have led it off because its the perfect first song to set the tone and otherwise I was just going to be waiting for it (2) the roller-skates were ridiculous and (3) he came off as pervy with Alicia Keys.

[mister d]

No, it was terrible, just not as bad as TAKING THE BALL FIRST IN OVERTIME WHEN BOTH TEAMS ARE GUARANTEED A POSSESSION BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST THE SAME QUARTERBACK WHO MADE THE LEAGUE CHANGE THE RULE, THEREBY GUARANTEEING BOTH TEAMS A POSSESSION.

I wanted to ask about this ... I was thinking the same thing until KC got into FG range and then I wondered if it was smart because matching FGs now puts SF in position to walk-off. (Unless you get equal possessions until someone doesn't score like college?)

[Ryan]

I thought Romo's comment that the Niners D could use some rest was valid

[The Sybian]

For those of you who did not like the halftime show, can I ask why? Is it just not being a fan of Usher or something else?

I thought the first half of the songs were too low energy and slow. My wife made the comment that it was the wrong vibe for the show. I also thought the sound was off, like a hallow quality. My wife said it sounded like he was singing in an empty stadium. Maybe we (me, my wife and daughter) didn’t like the first several songs because we didn’t recognize them. My daughter yelled “play a song I like!” About 4 songs in.

The Alicia Keys part started good, but it felt creepy when he was grabbing her. My wife said it was cruel to make her wear that dress. I did like when Lil Jon came out and the roller skating. From a production standpoint, I thought it was too much closeups. I get we needed closeups of Usher dancing, but I wanted to see more of the marching band and wide shots of the whole show. And the profuse sweating was distractingly gross.

Take my opinion with a huge grain of salt, as I’m not the target audience and I was never into Usher (I do like some of his songs). I’d rather watch the SB as a regular game. No halftime show, no stupid commercials, treat it like a championship game. But I totally get pandering to the audience, who mostly watch one game a year.

[Ryan]

I thought the first half of the songs were too low energy and slow. My wife made the comment that it was the wrong vibe for the show. I also thought the sound was off, like a hallow quality. My wife said it sounded like he was singing in an empty stadium.

We were saying the same thing. It sounded like he was already gassed from the start and singing every 5th word. It did pick up.

[Brontoburglar]

No, it was terrible, just not as bad as TAKING THE BALL FIRST IN OVERTIME WHEN BOTH TEAMS ARE GUARANTEED A POSSESSION BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST THE SAME QUARTERBACK WHO MADE THE LEAGUE CHANGE THE RULE, THEREBY GUARANTEEING BOTH TEAMS A POSSESSION.

I wanted to ask about this ... I was thinking the same thing until KC got into FG range and then I wondered if it was smart because matching FGs now puts SF in position to walk-off. (Unless you get equal possessions until someone doesn't score like college?)

third possession puts it in sudden death

but there's also a reason why most college teams choose to have the ball second in OT -- you know what you need to do and you can go for two and end the game (which I wonder if the Chiefs would have done had the 49ers scored a TD and KC responded with a TD of its own)

I know Shanahan referenced the third possession after the game and dismissed the idea of rest, but I also wonder if there was some merit to the rest aspect. because the Chiefs had gone on long scoring drives on their last three possessions of regulation.

but at the same time ... the Chiefs had gone on long scoring drives on their last three possessions of regulation. and were getting the ball in overtime knowing exactly what needed to be done to win the game.

[L-Jam3]

I thought Romo's comment that the Niners D could use some rest was valid

That’s where I am on this. To win in OT for the 49ers was whether they could get the TD. If they let KC get the ball first I thought KC would’ve scored the TD anyways, so giving your defense a breather might’ve helped a little bit. I think it was a justifiable decision; it just didn’t work out.

In the end it seemed like one of those Jordan Finals. One team has the alpha-dog, and the other one doesn’t, and that what decides it.

[Ryan]

Romo pointed this out too (I thought he was good last night) on the 4th and 1 that could you imagine anyone but Mahomes running the ball there? Shananan should have called a timeout and told 5 guys to run straight for Mahomes and the other 6 to cover Kelce.

[DaveInSeattle]

Since we only watched about the last 5 minutes of the 1st half, the half-time show, and the first 5 minutes of the second half, was there ever an explanation of why Kelce was so heated on the sidelines? Just standard football testosterone?

And I thought this was pretty funny...

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[L-Jam3]

Kelce was out on a down where Pacheco got blown up and fumbled, and was upset. Just regular emotion coming out. Much ado about nothing.

[DSafetyGuy]

No, it was terrible, just not as bad as TAKING THE BALL FIRST IN OVERTIME WHEN BOTH TEAMS ARE GUARANTEED A POSSESSION BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING AGAINST THE SAME QUARTERBACK WHO MADE THE LEAGUE CHANGE THE RULE, THEREBY GUARANTEEING BOTH TEAMS A POSSESSION.

I wanted to ask about this ... I was thinking the same thing until KC got into FG range and then I wondered if it was smart because matching FGs now puts SF in position to walk-off. (Unless you get equal possessions until someone doesn't score like college?)

third possession puts it in sudden death

but there's also a reason why most college teams choose to have the ball second in OT -- you know what you need to do and you can go for two and end the game (which I wonder if the Chiefs would have done had the 49ers scored a TD and KC responded with a TD of its own)

Second paragraph of the first picture/clip of the column:

[DSafetyGuy]

Is Romo drunk?

Well, when he was urging KC to spike the ball to save time ("15 seconds") prior to the field goal at the end of the fourth quarter, about a second after he shut up, you could see Pacheco come into frame, running back across the field and line of scrimmage, then get set for the snap.

[degenerasian]

I would take the ball first. If you feel both defenses are gassed and touchdowns are easy, you want the ball 3rd. You look at the two games that caused the rule change. In the Super Bowl when the Patriots scored with a TD, would Atlanta have equalized? And if so, Patriots get the ball 3rd. Same with the infamous 13 second Bills-Chiefs game. Also if you have the ball 2nd, there's a lot of pressure playing from behind. Yeah, you know what you have to do but you still have to execute it. Any mistake and the game is over. The Cowboys would fuck that up in 2 seconds. The Chiefs had to convert 4th and 1 at one point. College is different, you're starting from the opponents 25, not your own 25.

BUT if you get the ball first against Mahomes, you can't be kicking 27 yard field goals. The 49ers should have gone for it 4th and 4. There's really not much difference defending a 0 or 3 point lead against Mahomes.

[Brontoburglar]

I would take the ball first. If you feel both defenses are gassed and touchdowns are easy, you want the ball 3rd.

there were three TDs in regulation

You look at the two games that caused the rule change. In the Super Bowl when the Patriots scored with a TD, would Atlanta have equalized? And if so, Patriots get the ball 3rd. Same with the infamous 13 second Bills-Chiefs game.

the teams scoring TDs second in this scenario are potentially going for 2 to end the game one way or another

Also if you have the ball 2nd, there's a lot of pressure playing from behind. Yeah, you know what you have to do but you still have to execute it. Any mistake and the game is over. The Cowboys would fuck that up in 2 seconds. The Chiefs had to convert 4th and 1 at one point. College is different, you're starting from the opponents 25, not your own 25.

this doesn't make sense. there's pressure no matter which way you slice it. and college teams sometimes have to convert 4th and 1 too.

BUT if you get the ball first against Mahomes, you can't be kicking 27 yard field goals. The 49ers should have gone for it 4th and 4. There's really not much difference defending a 0 or 3 point lead against Mahomes.

there's a significant difference knowing that a team needs to go 50 yards for a field goal to win the Super Bowl vs. 75 yards for a TD to win. the Chiefs' only TD of the game until overtime came on a 16-yard field.

[degenerasian]

True, I did not take the 2 point convert into account.

[brian]

Seen some stories that 49ers players were unaware of the playoff OT rules which seems like some serious coaching malpractice.

[govmentchedda]

Seen some stories that 49ers players were unaware of the playoff OT rules which seems like some serious coaching malpractice.

Seeing this too, but does it really matter if some players didn't know? Sure, the article talks about how the entire Chiefs team prepped for it since the offseason, but isn't it only important for the captain to know?

[brian]

Seen some stories that 49ers players were unaware of the playoff OT rules which seems like some serious coaching malpractice.

Seeing this too, but does it really matter if some players didn't know? Sure, the article talks about how the entire Chiefs team prepped for it since the offseason, but isn't it only important for the captain to know?

It’s certainly not why they lost in any shape or form but it seems like something that should have been communicated to them at some point in the last few years. This wasn’t a new change.

[mister d]

I'm with Ched here. It sounds bad but I don't see how it matters if the coaches know and are doing the coinflip decision and play-calling.

[L-Jam3]

That’s like complaining that your pawns don’t correctly understand the en passant rule.

[The Sybian]

Is Romo drunk?

Well, when he was urging KC to spike the ball to save time ("15 seconds") prior to the field goal at the end of the fourth quarter, about a second after he shut up, you could see Pacheco come into frame, running back across the field and line of scrimmage, then get set for the snap.

That one bothered me. I've always wondered on a play like that where a WR goes out for a 50 yard pass, can they just run off the field and have a different player sub on so they don't have to run 50 yards back?

[EnochRoot]

I'm with Ched here. It sounds bad but I don't see how it matters if the coaches know and are doing the coinflip decision and play-calling.

I think it matters in terms of organizational philosophy and continued buy-in of the moment. You know, understanding the rules of how to win the game.

It’s definitely malpractice (to what degree, I have no idea, but yeah, Reid and the KC staff took steps to educate the players on the rule changes by baking them into said org philosophies).

[DaveInSeattle]

Is Romo drunk?

Well, when he was urging KC to spike the ball to save time ("15 seconds") prior to the field goal at the end of the fourth quarter, about a second after he shut up, you could see Pacheco come into frame, running back across the field and line of scrimmage, then get set for the snap.

That one bothered me. I've always wondered on a play like that where a WR goes out for a 50 yard pass, can they just run off the field and have a different player sub on so they don't have to run 50 yards back?

My initial "is he drunk?" post was about him singing along with the bumper music "Viva Las Vegas" when the broadcast went to an ad.

I don't watch hardly any football these days...and if I do watch a few minutes, its almost never with the sound on...so is this just how he is? Because the little bit I watched it sure seemed like he was just a chatter box, saying the same thing over and over again. I must have heard the word "leverage" about 20 times in bit I watched.

[Steve of phpBB]

That’s like complaining that your pawns don’t correctly understand the en passant rule.

Lol

[mister d]

It’s definitely malpractice (to what degree, I have no idea, but yeah, Reid and the KC staff took steps to educate the players on the rule changes by baking them into said org philosophies).

But why? There's a finite amount of time (and brain space) so what good is trying to teach a WR about rules that only come into play on very rare occasion?

[brian]

I might apparently be in the minority here but I think it’s important for the players to know what they need to do to win the game.

[The Sybian]

It’s definitely malpractice (to what degree, I have no idea, but yeah, Reid and the KC staff took steps to educate the players on the rule changes by baking them into said org philosophies).

But why? There's a finite amount of time (and brain space) so what good is trying to teach a WR about rules that only come into play on very rare occasion?

Because you don't want the SB ruined by a WR running out of bounds to stop the clock at the end of the first OT instead of running for more yards, knowing the game doesn't end? I know it's a rare occurrence, but worth it IMO. Also, players not knowing what the rules are could be disorienting or distracting.

[The Sybian]

I might apparently be in the minority here but I think it’s important for the players to know what they need to do to win the game.

Fuck, I'm making the same argument as Brian, I must be on the wrong side here.

[Ryan]

Are we talking about anything beyond the "if you score a touchdown, you don't automatically win" thing because I thought that was what the 49ers were under the gun for for potentially not taking into account on the coin toss.

If the situation was reversed and the Niners were trying to stop the clock at the end of the OT period, that would be a whole different story.

[mister d]

I might apparently be in the minority here but I think it’s important for the players to know what they need to do to win the game.

Still doesn't answer the why. Like do you think the offense would have tried to touchdown harder? Or the defense would have worked harder to stop Mahomes?

All seems a lot closer to like replay in MLB. I'm sure a lot of players know what can and can't be but it really doesn't matter if they don't because the manager is the one who makes all the decisions.

[brian]

Like I said it didn’t impact the outcome but I think there’s an argument to be made that it’s indicative of a lack of planning and foresight on Shanahan’s part and that would concern me if I were a Niners fan. This guy has now blown 3 huge leads in Super Bowls - 2 as a head coach and of course the 28-3 game as an OC.

[mister d]

Every player understanding the salary cap would likely have more direct on-field impacts.