Roger Godell's Terrible No Good Bad (Infinity) - the whoopin

howard · Post by **howard** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:03 am

bfj wrote:Pretty sure the kid charged at him.

Oh, I wanted so badly to post that. But I am glad I deferred; much funnier when you tell it.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:08 am

Joe K wrote:
EdRomero wrote:
bfj wrote:Pretty sure the kid charged at him.
we'll never know until tmz finds the tapes.

and completely agree with gunpowder. Instead of repulsion, I'm seeing a bunch of nonsense about how assault is just some good ole parentin'
As am I. I get that a lot of people think corporal punishment has value, but we're talking about a 4 year old here. How is it even debatable whether it's okay to inflict injuries like that on a child that young?

And corporal punishment should mean a spank. A professional athlete whipping the hell out of a 4 year old is criminal.

The pictures are heartrending, the kid's back is ripped up and there are bruises across his legs and even his scrotum was hurt. AND he said his father hit him in the face.

There will always be contrarians and trolls, but any parent - even those who believe in corporal punishment - who sees these pictures and feels that Peterson is being unfairly pilloried is a fucking moron.

One thing people should ask when it's a case of child or spousal abuse is "Would the actions be acceptable if they were done by a stranger?"

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:13 am

You ever notice that every person that's ever been hit as a kid thinks they're better off because of it? Isn't that indirectly condoning hitting your kid?

Johnny Hotcakes · Post by **Johnny Hotcakes** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:22 am

to Ray Rice and the Rice family,

hi im srry to hear about the events that have happened. when i first saw the elevator segment this morning on the news i thought they were talking about the centerplate ceo who beat his dog. then they said ur name and ur wife i dont know what happened but whatever the problem was it should have been dealt with in another fashion. i grew up watching jim brown, oj simpson and football players up to this day and i can honestly say that ray was the most energetic...im gonna give it my all type of player he was the greatest in my opinion i will miss u much ray just like the rest of knights may you be the greatest champ in heaven next to god and im sure he will protect you as well. to mrs. rice and ap’s child may god be with them as well...we love u ray and we will be waiting ur return to the field..........

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:30 am

Johnny Hotcakes wrote:to Ray Rice and the Rice family,

hi im srry to hear about the events that have happened. when i first saw the elevator segment this morning on the news i thought they were talking about the centerplate ceo who beat his dog. then they said ur name and ur wife i dont know what happened but whatever the problem was it should have been dealt with in another fashion. i grew up watching jim brown, oj simpson and football players up to this day and i can honestly say that ray was the most energetic...im gonna give it my all type of player he was the greatest in my opinion i will miss u much ray just like the rest of knights may you be the greatest champ in heaven next to god and im sure he will protect you as well. to mrs. rice and ap’s child may god be with them as well...we love u ray and we will be waiting ur return to the field..........

Oh my god, I love you.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:11 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Joe K wrote:
EdRomero wrote:
bfj wrote:Pretty sure the kid charged at him.
we'll never know until tmz finds the tapes.

and completely agree with gunpowder. Instead of repulsion, I'm seeing a bunch of nonsense about how assault is just some good ole parentin'
As am I. I get that a lot of people think corporal punishment has value, but we're talking about a 4 year old here. How is it even debatable whether it's okay to inflict injuries like that on a child that young?
And corporal punishment should mean a spank. A professional athlete whipping the hell out of a 4 year old. . . . One thing people should ask when it's a case of child or spousal abuse is "Would the actions be acceptable if they were done by a stranger?"

Good point. I wonder how many of the people defending Peterson would be okay with it if their kid came home from preschool looking like that? They'd be ripshit, and want the teacher fired and prosecuted, regardless of how their child was acting and why the teacher decided to "discipline" him.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:22 pm

Jerloma wrote:You ever notice that every person that's ever been hit as a kid thinks they're better off because of it? Isn't that indirectly condoning hitting your kid?

Kinda like victims in domestic abuse defending, staying with, and marrying their abuser.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:26 pm

bfj wrote:Pretty sure the kid charged at him.

Love you.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:51 pm

All of these proud Patriotic parents must think this is great child-rearing:

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:21 pm

mister d wrote:
bfj wrote:Pretty sure the kid charged at him.
Love you.

Not what you were saying the other day. Witch hunter.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:13 pm

How can anyone defend this guy? He hit a 4 year old (!!!!!) multiple times with a stick! And has done it before (according to the kid). That's not discipline, that's child abuse, and he needs to go to jail.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:46 am

Whoa...

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:00 pm

The Ravens and the NFL didn't need to see that video to be moved to action. The Ravens and the NFL needed the public to see that video to be moved to action.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:47 pm

Cris Carter lauded the Panthers for acting swiftly in deactivating Hardy.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:10 pm

rass wrote:Cris Carter lauded the Panthers for acting swiftly in deactivating Hardy.

As a opposed to taking three hours to write his name on the inactive sheet.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:42 pm

Adrian Peterson breaks silence with religious tweet

GUH. Typical bullshit.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:55 pm

Are those whoopin' odds for his other kids at the end?

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:49 am

I can't see it because Twitter. Don't even tell me it's the one about if you spare the rod, you spoil the child.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:15 am

I think its actually Peterson declaring himself god.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:20 am

So Ray Rice is appealing his indefinite suspension. You'd think he has no case but the added on suspension wasn't for DV...it was because Rice lied to them about the details of what happened and rather than look at the video evidence, the NFL decided that the best course of action was to just take the defendant's word for it. Problem is, Bisciotti, Newsome, and Harbaugh were all in that meeting as well and they claimed that they didn't need to look at the tape because what Rice described was exactly what's on the tape. He actually has a case, here.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:46 am

And when the union takes Rice's case, the PA takes some of the evil off Goodell.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:50 am

Rice is a fucking dirtbag, but it's hard to argue why he should be suspended for more than 6 games (and that's assuming you think applying the "new" domestic violence standard to him despite his already having only been suspended for 2 games is fair, which is a whole other argument.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:19 am

Which leads us back to the fact that Godell is a complete idiot who could not have possibly handled this thing any worse.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:22 am

Pruitt wrote:Which leads us back to the fact that Godell is a complete idiot who could not have possibly handled this thing any worse.

Right. Everything he does and says just puts them in a deeper hole.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:24 am

Maybe they saw MLB giving a guy they super-duper hate 6x the suspension they gave other guys who committed the same word of mouth infraction and wanted to follow suit?

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:03 am

Oof...

Today's decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration. As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday's game, this is clearly a very important issue. On Friday, we felt it was in the best interests of the organization to step back, evaluate the situation, and not rush to judgment given the seriousness of this matter. At that time, we made the decision that we felt was best for the Vikings and all parties involved.

To be clear, we take very seriously any matter that involves the welfare of a child. At this time, however, we believe this is a matter of due process and we should allow the legal system to proceed so we can come to the most effective conclusions and then determine the appropriate course of action. This is a difficult path to navigate, and our focus is on doing the right thing. Currently we believe we are at a juncture where the most appropriate next step is to allow the judicial process to move forward.

We will continue to monitor the situation closely and support Adrian's fulfillment of his legal responsibilities throughout this process.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:08 am

Any thoughts that there may be a bounty on Peterson in upcoming games?

And just when you thought Godell couldn't be in a worse position...

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:12 am

Pruitt wrote:Any thoughts that there may be a bounty on Peterson in upcoming games?

And just when you thought Godell couldn't be in a worse position...

Are you misspelling Goodell's name on accident or are you just implying that he has a god complex?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:21 am

I've been surprised at the number of people defending AP. I expected a few saying it's ok to beat your children, but there are a lot of comments saying it's wrong NOT to hit your kids. Maybe child hitters feel compelled to justify this to themselves or defend their parenting and others don't feel the need to vent about a guy they don't know hitting his kid. I will say, an overwhelming number of defenders of hitting children are black. Is this a cultural thing? Most of the commenters cite being hit as a kid teaching them. The other repeating theme is that it is "necessary to hit in order to discipline" and "time outs don't work." That is just lazy parenting. Sure, it is a lot easy to give a smack than force a kid into time out and explain why they shouldn't do what they did. And you need to keep explaining until they get it.

My favorite comment was on a youtube video of Chris Carter's emotional statement. I thought he was fantastic, but I loved seeing the discomfort on the rest of the panel. They just wanted to shut him up and move on. The comment blamed the Liberal mindset of not hitting children for pretty much all of societies woes. He detailed specifics of how his parents physically abused him, then cited the US as having the highest prison rates in the world being a direct result of not hitting kids. He then explained that not hitting kids leaves them lacking a sense of right and wrong and leading them down a path of crime. So much wrong with this, I can't even begin to comment.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:25 am

I really don't have any problem with the use of a switch, but this admittedly went too far.

If using a switch is a prosecutable offense, my entire family would have served hard time.

Note: I have never used a switch on my children, mind you, I'm just not going to get worked up over how other people want to raise their children.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:33 am

Jerloma wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Any thoughts that there may be a bounty on Peterson in upcoming games?

And just when you thought Godell couldn't be in a worse position...
Are you misspelling Goodell's name on accident or are you just implying that he has a god complex?

A Freudian slip.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:53 am

AB_skin_test wrote:I really don't have any problem with the use of a switch, but this admittedly went too far.

If using a switch is a prosecutable offense, my entire family would have served hard time.

Note: I have never used a switch on my children, mind you, I'm just not going to get worked up over how other people want to raise their children.

I agree. I didn't spank my daughter, either, mind you. But, I think we need to separate the issue of spanking vs. the issue of abuse. This clearly is a case of abuse, and the strawman defense of corporal punishment is apples and oranges.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:55 am

sancarlos wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:I really don't have any problem with the use of a switch, but this admittedly went too far.

If using a switch is a prosecutable offense, my entire family would have served hard time.

Note: I have never used a switch on my children, mind you, I'm just not going to get worked up over how other people want to raise their children.
I agree. I didn't spank my daughter, either, mind you. But, I think we need to separate the issue of spanking vs. the issue of abuse. This clearly is a case of abuse, and the strawman defense of corporal punishment is apples and oranges.

Very good point and one that seems to be lost somehow on many people.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:34 pm

Thirded or fourthed. If I see the softened phrase "spanked with a switch" one more time, I'll lose my f'ing mind.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:51 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Any thoughts that there may be a bounty on Peterson in upcoming games?

And just when you thought Godell couldn't be in a worse position...
Are you misspelling Goodell's name on accident or are you just implying that he has a god complex?
A Freudian slip.

It's was an intentional thing when TB started the thread. Did you both miss that?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:11 pm

mister d wrote:Thirded or fourthed. If I see the softened phrase "spanked with a switch" one more time, I'll lose my f'ing mind.

fifthed

that and "Tearing up that butt".

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:28 pm

The Vikings reinstating AP is one of the stupidest, worst things I have ever seen in sports. How fucking stupid can you be?

He hit the 4yo child in the scrotum, with a stick, causing bleeding. He admitted to this, as well as to causing other wounds. No other facts nor arguments mitigate this simple set of facts.

Millions of Americans vigorously defend this violence against children, and the violence against women. Motivated in large part by, Football.

And I am too cynical.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:40 pm

howard wrote:And I am too cynical.

So you don't believe he Vikes' GM when he says it has "nothing to do with him (Peterson) as a football player"?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:41 pm

Oh and I guess John Oliver took on Scottish independence. Now you know where HBO stands.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:42 pm

"But c'mon, he's good" -- Vikes GM