Scotland

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:10 am

My parents never locked theirs up and I remember the first time I got drunk was off straight Kaluha when I was 15. It was an awful awful hangover. My parents returned home the next day to a driveway full of cigarettes and a six pack of Coors in the freezer. My dad took the fall for us when my mom asked whose it was. Always thought that was cool.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:15 am

What were the odds on me being the responsible one when it comes to locking up the cabinet. Just goes to show you that the Bay Area is inferior to Lexington, once again.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:16 am

Giff wrote:My parents never locked theirs up and I remember the first time I got drunk was off straight Kaluha when I was 15. It was an awful awful hangover. My parents returned home the next day to a driveway full of cigarettes and a six pack of Coors in the freezer. My dad took the fall for us when my mom asked whose it was. Always thought that was cool.

My parents - especially my father - drank fairly regularly, but were almost never drunk.

Big open liquor cabinet, and from the age of 17, if we wanted to take their booze, we knew to pay them for it.

One time, I grabbed a bottle of scotch from the back and left $20. Turned out it was a bottle of "Ne Plus Ultra" a very expensive blend made by Dewars that was given to my folks the day my sister was born. It was a gift from a friend who had since passed away. They were saving it for her wedding (which, considering that she was 14 at the time was still a ways off).

They weren't pleased that this rare, heirloom scotch was pounded back by a bunch of goofballs at a house party.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:03 am

Giff wrote:My parents never locked theirs up and I remember the first time I got drunk was off straight Kaluha when I was 15. It was an awful awful hangover. My parents returned home the next day to a driveway full of cigarettes and a six pack of Coors in the freezer. My dad took the fall for us when my mom asked whose it was. Always thought that was cool.

Who knew Kahlua was such a gateway intoxicant?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:15 am

govmentchedda wrote:
Giff wrote:My parents never locked theirs up and I remember the first time I got drunk was off straight Kaluha when I was 15. It was an awful awful hangover. My parents returned home the next day to a driveway full of cigarettes and a six pack of Coors in the freezer. My dad took the fall for us when my mom asked whose it was. Always thought that was cool.
Who knew Kahlua was such a gateway intoxicant?

18 year old girls the world over?

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:48 pm

I did my share of drinking, but I don't think I ever took any of my parents' booze. (Of course there wasn't much in the house ever, so that helped I guess.)

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:30 pm

brian wrote:I did my share of drinking, but I don't think I ever took any of my parents' booze. (Of course there wasn't much in the house ever, so that helped I guess.)

My problem was that my sister was 3 years older, and drank then watered down all the bottles. My parents very rarely drink, and pretty much never at home, so they probably still have the same bottles in the house. If you looked closely, you could see the pencil marks my sister left on all the bottles.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:52 pm

sancarlos wrote:Syb, your dad is like my dad. He was giving me sips for as long as I remember, and like you I was nipping drinks at an early age. My dad didn't much care. He would let my friends and me drink beer in our house during high school, if their parents were ok with it. When I was 15, a couple of my friends and I were actually busted by the cops for underage drinking. I was suspended from the wrestling team at one point for getting caught drinking. My mum was mortified, but my dad laughed out loud.

The issue got real and a hell of a lot less funny in adulthood when both of my two brothers became alcoholics and one brother (the one who didn't die from drugs) accused my parents for being complicit in their problems for letting them have access to alcohol. I disagree and I defended the old man publicly. I hate the idea of blaming ones parents for ones own failings. But, I do see where my bro is coming from...

My Dad had the mistaken belief that if he let us try alcohol, the mystique and forbidden fruit temptation would decrease. Nope, the love of getting drunk took over. I don't disagree with his decision to let us take a sip of his drinks at a fairly young age, and I will probably do the same. I think giving a 12 yo a sip of a strong beer or scotch will turn them off of booze. I do want them to see alcohol as a pairing to a good meal, or a savored night cap. The Europeans play this right, give kids a glass of wine with dinner as adolescents, and binge drinking is a much smaller problem.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:52 am

What do the early exit polls say so far?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:01 am

AB_skin_test wrote:What do the early exit polls say so far?

There are no exit polls. I think that's an American thing.

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:15 am

degenerasian wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:What do the early exit polls say so far?
There are no exit polls. I think that's an American thing.

Yeah, I was just going to say that. It's probably illegal in most countries (as it probably should be here).

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:41 am

L-Jam2 always gave us small juice glasses of wine at dinner. Of course it was classic dago red, so it's not like I knew what good wine was until I was living alone after college.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:00 am

brian wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:What do the early exit polls say so far?
There are no exit polls. I think that's an American thing.
Yeah, I was just going to say that. It's probably illegal in most countries (as it probably should be here).

yeah here Canada we don't get any news once the polls close somewhere. In the past it used to be all polls closed a 8pm local. In a country of 5 timezones if you're in Vancouver that's 4 and a half hours of Coronation Street or something. Since that was stupid they have reduced it to 3 different close times.

Last election I believe it was:
Atlantic and NF at 9 and 9:30 local respectively
The big chuck of AB, SK, MB, ON and QC at 9pm ET (7pm in AB)
And BC at 7pm local.

This way the main coverage is during the big chunk which makes for better entertainment as results come pouring in.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:05 am

AB_skin_test wrote:What do the early exit polls say so far?

Git th' fuck oot o' mah face ye reporter dickheed!

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:28 am

rass wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:What do the early exit polls say so far?

Git th' fuck oot o' mah face ye reporter dickheed!

SL. This man needs a gold star, stat!

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 2:15 pm

David Cameron To Scottish People: ‘I’ll Kill Myself If You Leave’

LONDON—In an emotional public address this morning ahead of Thursday’s national referendum in Scotland, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron pleaded with the Scottish people to stay and vowed that he would take his own life if the territory votes in favor of independence. “Scotland, the second you leave I will kill myself—I swear I’ll do it,” said a visibly disheveled Cameron, who spoke with a shaking voice and appeared at several points during the speech as if he was on the verge of breaking down in tears. “How can I go on living if you’re gone? If you vote yes to independence, that’s it—you can say goodbye to me right now, because I’ll be dead the next time you see me. Just look at what you’re doing to me!” At press time, Cameron was seen sobbing softly and climbing up the stairs to the top of Parliament’s Elizabeth Tower.

And if things continue on this course:

British Empire To Be Reduced To 8 Acres Around Buckingham Palace By 2050

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:38 pm

howard wrote:And if things continue on this course:

British Empire To Be Reduced To 8 Acres Around Buckingham Palace By 2050

... and the Falkland Islands.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:39 pm

Scotland voters are giving it 110%

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:43 pm

howard wrote:Scotland voters are giving it 110%

It's the exchange rate.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:00 pm

So... polls are closing around now, yes? When are they gonna have an answer to announce.

You'd think in a couple of hours, right? I mean, talk about the simplest ballot of all time.

(I'm being willfully ignorant here, as I have no idea if this is the only thing on the ballot, nor do I even know when the polls close or how they tabulate results.)

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:03 pm

They say the bulk of the results will come back at 3am Scottish time but some of the early results may give a good indication.

Counting 4 million votes by hands takes a while.

Live BBC Broadcast

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Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:23 pm

They have to deal with all the hanging clydes

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:53 pm

looking like a NO landslide.

they're up 38991 to 26902. Yes that's only 63000 out of 3.5 million votes but these trends are very difficult to change.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:05 pm

Well, now it is on. 50.9-49.1, no barely leading, 6k difference of about 350k. 90% of the vote yet to be counted.

Six of the seven councils voted no. One of the seven, Dundee City, nearly eclipsed the difference. Total of 32 councils. Big cities will report last. Cue Harvey Keitel for the no camp--gonna take all night.

God I love elections. Don't know how I'm gonna be able to stay away in 2016.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:10 pm

howard wrote:Well, now it is on. 50.9-49.1, no barely leading, 6k difference of about 350k. 90% of the vote yet to be counted.

Six of the seven councils voted no. One of the seven, Dundee City, nearly eclipsed the difference. Total of 32 councils. Big cities will report last. Cue Harvey Keitel for the no camp--gonna take all night.

God I love elections. Don't know how I'm gonna be able to stay away in 2016.

It';s 50-50 now...

West Dunbartonshire

33000ish yes
26000ish no

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:10 pm

now it's Midiothian

yes 26370
no 33972

no side back in the lead.

The last two results cancel each other out.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:15 pm

East Lothian

Yes 27467
No 44283

ouch

Sterling

Yes 25010
No 37153

double ouch

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:29 pm

Can someone give me a one sentence pro and a one sentence con here?

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:45 pm

The English are a bunch of cunts. Any opportunity to get away from the UK government is a chance to remove ones nation from a ruling class that has been a mirror of the evils of their big brother, the USA, in terms of world wide war and misery, and ruination of the middle and working classes at home. Thatcher--Blair--Cameron--their rule speaks for itself.

Con--scary scary threats of horrible horrors if you vote yes. That is what their argument boiled down to.

No pulling out now, opened up a significant lead. 670K to 521K, roughly 30 % of the vote reported. Glasgow to report in ten minutes. That largest city may seal it.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:47 pm

What about the whole taker/payer deal? Real or exaggerated?

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:51 pm

mister d wrote:What about the whole taker/payer deal? Real or exaggerated?

Three words that don't get included in that discussion. North. Sea. Oil.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:52 pm

Good enough for me. Go Scots. Less of my heritage, I think, but has the last name.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:53 pm

Glasgow--Yes 194,779; No 169,347.

Not enough of a margin to swing it for Yes. No still leads by 200K, and they will almost certainly prevail. Rule Brittania, gassy beer and Page Three.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:04 pm

The poor always want change, be it a simple government change, communism or independence. The rich always want the status quo. It's the people in the middle who determine the result and I think A) they are stable enough in the union and B) the threat of losing the currency really spooked a lot of people.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:07 pm

Also have to say that the Scots are the slowest counters in the history of counting. How does it take 7 fucking hours to count 80000 votes?

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:17 pm

Old Hoss Radbourn retweeted
Ken Lowery ‏@kenlowery 12m

So like are a bunch of African countries going to get t-shirts with the Union Jack Minus The Blue Field dumped on them tomorrow

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:44 am

Witness the violence inherent in the system.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:46 am

degenerasian wrote:Also have to say that the Scots are the slowest counters in the history of counting. How does it take 7 fucking hours to count 80000 votes?

It was over 4 million votes. But you wouldn't know it from CNN.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:00 am

By the way, did the R&A pull off the greatest news dump in history?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 19, 2014 7:03 am

Rex wrote:By the way, did the R&A pull off the greatest news dump in history?

Media A Levels.