College Football October 2014

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:02 am

NEW THREAD!

I think the one change I would liek to see - on top of all the 4-year scholarships and food money that have already been done - would be that if people will pay for a signature or buy a jersey, let the kids take the money. Put a cap on it, 20-25 bucks per signature $10 per shirt, no mass signings with the intent to sell to a larger market, etc. but let them make money off their names. Let's face it, a scholarship is plenty payment enough for the backup center, but for the name guys, have at it.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:34 pm

Little wet in Starkville.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:04 pm

Devastating for Arizona last night. Down 28-20 they score a TD but fail on the 2 point conversion. Then they recover the onside kick and then miss a 35yd FG. The kickers 3rd miss of the game.

Weatherfrog · Post by **Weatherfrog** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:31 pm

So, um, Arkansas. Basically two ties in a row now. OT loss to A&M and 14-13 loss to Bama. I'm so tired of moral victories. I guess they are better than straight up losing? Kind of not though.

I do think Bert has a pretty good thing going and year three should be pretty special* for us.

*Special in Arkansas is 9 wins.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:10 am

Old friend of mine went to Florida State, and I am in a football group with him, mutual friends and a shit load of FSU Alums. Seem like nice, intelligent guys - lawyers, business owners, functioning guys with brains and not stereotypical mouth breathers..

But when the name Jameis Winston is involved, they become a paranoid bunch of conspiracy theorists. I can't even respond to their posts and links. You'd think that this Winston kid was implicated in nothing more serious than crab theft.

And if that's what these guys are like, I can only imagine what the less intelligent members of the fan base are saying.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:15 am

ESPN wrote:Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey was kicked out of practice Sunday after the sophomore was involved in several physical plays, the last ending in quarterback Jameis Winston being knocked to the ground.

Coach Jimbo Fisher said Ramsey was warned and called it a lack of leadership and character.

"He was told not to do something and he defied me," Fisher said. "We'll judge from there.

I agree with that. But I think Jimbo's the one that isn't leading and has helped foster that lack of character.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:30 am

That guy is not the first nor the 100th to be kicked out of practice for that.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:46 am

Pruitt wrote:Old friend of mine went to Florida State, and I am in a football group with him, mutual friends and a shit load of FSU Alums. Seem like nice, intelligent guys - lawyers, business owners, functioning guys with brains and not stereotypical mouth breathers..

But when the name Jameis Winston is involved, they become a paranoid bunch of conspiracy theorists. I can't even respond to their posts and links. You'd think that this Winston kid was implicated in nothing more serious than crab theft.

And if that's what these guys are like, I can only imagine what the less intelligent members of the fan base are saying.

Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! just wrote an excellent column that points out just how implausible the notion that Winston's accuser planned the entire event as a money grab is. Just once, I would like to see a Winston defender or FSU apologist address the following points that Wetzel raises:

So … for this to be a false accusation of rape, for this woman to be making this entire thing up in an effort to get Jameis Winston or take down FSU football or to scheme for money or to do it out of scorn or revenge, for this woman to not believe 100 percent that she was, indeed, raped, to believe she never consented to sex that night, the following would've had to occur.

• She needed to immediately tell a friend she was assaulted.

• She needed to have that friend call the police and subject herself to questioning.

• She needed the first police department to call a second police department for another interview and evidence collection.

• She needed all of this to occur in her dorm, where the presence of police, and thus the painful reason for their presence, would surely be known by all of the other students.

• She needed to admit she was out drinking despite being underage. She needed to admit she left a bar alone with three men when she didn't even know their names. She needed to admit getting in a cab and going to their apartment. All of this is behavior that would be, for many, embarrassing or even shameful to discuss.

• She needed to willingly go to the hospital and endure a rape kit, which, by all accounts, is one of the most dehumanizing and humiliating experiences a person can go through.

• She needed to have another talk with police at the hospital and discuss her drinking and actions that night with medical professionals. She needed to willingly subject herself to a toxicology test.

• She needed to wake her parents in the middle of the night and talk to them about being assaulted, while acknowledging behavior (drinking, leaving the bar with strange men, etc.) that they presumably would disapprove. How many women want to discuss sex, in any way, shape or form, with their father?

• She needed to tell more friends of this behavior the next day, even though the least humiliating thing she could have ever done was never tell anyone where she was. Other than Winston and his two FSU teammates he lived with, no one knew where she went that night. Had she been embarrassed by consensual actions, she could've just remained silent and hoped to never run into guys she didn't even know again.

• She needed to go to the TPD the next afternoon for an additional interview, which was recorded. She needed to file a false police report knowing that, if it were proven she lied, she would be prosecuted. She needed to repeatedly lie to the police, another crime.

So she did all of that, she subjected herself to what was likely embarrassment over her actions and the incident to her parents, friends, dormmates, police, nurses and so on, underwent the horror of a rape kit, she did all of that to accuse … no one.

No one.

Not Jameis Winston. Not an FSU football player. Not someone she was trying to get back at or wanted the attention of or whatever other motivation there might be.

She accused no one. She had no name. She had no real identification. She had nothing.

Remember, she didn't realize it was Winston until over a month later, where, now with so much time between the incident that, should she have been making this up or embellishing it or just doing it as some sick plan to get attention and sympathy, she could've let it fade off forever without any consequence.

According to FBI studies of false reports, it would actually be more believable – although still extremely unlikely – that she invented the entire thing if she had never found Winston. More plausible, although extremely unlikely, is that she had invented an unknown (and thus assuredly never to be found) attacker.

Instead she called the cops and found their suspect for them despite immediately realizing that he was a big name and this would complicate her life and this case immensely.

– – – – – – – – –

Sorry, I don't believe she did all that to falsely accuse Winston of a crime. I don't believe those are the actions of a woman who is just making up a story to take money from a future professional athlete – one who had yet to take a snap for FSU.

I don't believe that is how a woman out to wrongly accuse someone, anyone, would act. I don't believe anyone interested in doing such a wicked thing to another person would concoct the whole story and not even accuse an actual person for over a month. What's the point?

"You don't believe it," Dritt said, "because you shouldn't. It's not consistent with a false allegation."

Instead, I 100 percent believe those are the actions of a woman who 100 percent believes Jameis Winston sexually assaulted her.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:31 pm

Wetzel is good.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:10 pm

Yes, his article pretty much sums up my views exactly.

Actually, I don't think he stressed enough two key points - she didn't name an attacker when she went to the police. She told them she didn't know who it was.

Yes, the most cynical among you (or an FSU fan) might say that she did that on purpose, knowing that the police would figure it out on their own. But, really? Anyone who's paid attention at all to how rape cases are handled, especially on college campuses, would know that very often (usually, maybe) they NEVER find a suspect.

Second, why would she go after Jameis Winston anyway? He wasn't anyone of note at that point. Yes, he did go on to be hugely famous and a very likely NFL player, but he wasn't then. He was a freshman who had just completed his redshirt season. He had never played a down for FSU. Any girl looking for fame or money for going after a football player could have picked dozens of more likely targets on that team.

Another barely reasonable explanation is that the sex was consensual and she just changed her mind the next day. But as Wetzel points out, that would assume she was willing to go through all of that trouble and embarrassment. Wouldn't it be infinitely easier to just never tell anyone?

The only other scenario I can think of is one where she was so drunk that she DID consent, but later had no memory of it. That's possible. Even then though, it sure sounds like several college boys taking obvious advantage of a very drunk girl.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:36 am

The video essay by Wright Thompson, at the beginning of this page is fantastic.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:27 pm

not a good day for kickers so far

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:18 pm

Media done pissed alabama off.

nastyned · Post by **nastyned** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:35 pm

How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:36 pm

nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.

Which, by the rule, is correct.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:41 pm

nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.

Yeah, agreed. What say the irony police over that one?

nastyned · Post by **nastyned** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:00 pm

sancarlos wrote:
nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.
Yeah, agreed. What say the irony police over that one?

I was hoping both teams would lose.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:48 am

Highlight of a freshman WR's life

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:12 am

nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.

I know I'm late but the people complaining about that call on Facebook annoyed the hell out of me. You can't block DBs to set up a pass like that or I'd be a football coach, because I'd run that play like every other down.

I don't know what the hell ND was thinking there with that play or who screwed it up.

Post by **brian** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:23 am

Gunpowder wrote:
nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.
I know I'm late but the people complaining about that call on Facebook annoyed the hell out of me. You can't block DBs to set up a pass like that or I'd be a football coach, because I'd run that play like every other down.

I don't know what the hell ND was thinking there with that play or who screwed it up.

Yeah, agreed. The damnable part of it was that the WR in question didn't need to be doing that, it was a brilliant play call and FSU botched the coverage badly. But it was definitely a penalty even if the guy who was doing the blocking wasn't the targeted receiver.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am

brian wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.
I know I'm late but the people complaining about that call on Facebook annoyed the hell out of me. You can't block DBs to set up a pass like that or I'd be a football coach, because I'd run that play like every other down.

I don't know what the hell ND was thinking there with that play or who screwed it up.
Yeah, agreed. The damnable part of it was that the WR in question didn't need to be doing that, it was a brilliant play call and FSU botched the coverage badly. But it was definitely a penalty even if the guy who was doing the blocking wasn't the targeted receiver.

And any excuses of "well FSU blew the coverage" are not applicable. An official isn't supposed to diagnose coverages and decide what the defense is trying to do pre-snap. He's looking for a foul and correctly called one.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:01 pm

brian wrote:
Gunpowder wrote:
nastyned wrote:How fun that Notre Dame is complaining about a bad call.
I know I'm late but the people complaining about that call on Facebook annoyed the hell out of me. You can't block DBs to set up a pass like that or I'd be a football coach, because I'd run that play like every other down.

I don't know what the hell ND was thinking there with that play or who screwed it up.
Yeah, agreed. The damnable part of it was that the WR in question didn't need to be doing that, it was a brilliant play call and FSU botched the coverage badly. But it was definitely a penalty even if the guy who was doing the blocking wasn't the targeted receiver.

Apropos of nothing, that receiver, CJ Prosise, went to my high school. It's only of some note because my high school has put out very few high D1 athletes.

(actually, that's changed quite a bit in the last 5-10 years. For some reason, likely D1 footballers and hoopers seem to all want to go to nice private schools these days. When I was there, there were very few future D1 athletes in the whole conference. Now, my school alone has at least 5-6 D1 football prospects. I'm not sure what the cultural impetus for this is, but I see it everywhere now.)

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:48 pm

Shirley wrote: I'm not sure what the cultural impetus for this is, but I see it everywhere now.)

Alumni/Booster money?

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:21 pm

Rush2112 wrote:
Shirley wrote: I'm not sure what the cultural impetus for this is, but I see it everywhere now.)
Alumni/Booster money?

Alumni/Boosters of the prep schools? I doubt that very much.

My theory is actually that it's an outgrowth of the creation several decades ago of basketball factory schools like Flint Hill and Oak Hill (as well as post-grad schools like Fork Union). Those schools recruited the best high school players in the country with the promise of great coaching, top teammates, strong(ish) academics, and a chance to get away from bad influences.

Over the years, more and more of these schools popped up, some without much of a school outside of the basketball team.

I think they got attention and eventually it became seen as something necessary for a top athlete to do - transfer out of his traditional public school and go to a private school. It's just that now it's happening even at schools that are not set up as de facto basketball or football factories.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:03 pm

There's an article that was linked somewhere on here I think that suggests Rush may have a point.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:25 pm

Gunpowder wrote:There's an article that was linked somewhere on here I think that suggests Rush may have a point.

Yeah, maybe that one about lacrosse at Landon Prep? Or maybe that was more about kids repeating a year of school so they were bigger and stronger.

Honestly, for the vast majority of private schools, there's little chance that boosters are paying much for kids to come in and play basketball or football. Now full rides for those kids? Sure.

My high school, for example - it's a boarding school out in the middle of nowhere. There can't be more than a couple of hundred people other than students at their football games (except for the one big rivalry game that counts as homecoming). I don't think they even sell tickets to go to any of their games. Sure, there are plenty of wealthy alumni, but are they really willing to pay a 15-year-old to go play football or basketball there?

Russell Wilson went to another school in my conference - a rich-boy private school (not boarding) in Richmond. They are decent at sports, but not it's not like they are any kind of traditional national power in anything. Hell, they aren't a consistent state power in anything.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:42 pm

Nope, there was one about rich alums tired of their schools sucking at basketball so they needed to black it up. I'll try and find it.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:55 pm

Gunpowder wrote:Nope, there was one about rich alums tired of their schools sucking at basketball so they needed to black it up. I'll try and find it.

Exactly. I don't know if the money equates to more people at games, but does sure help the cooler talk at the law firm when your school beat the pants off some other ivy and brick school.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:22 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:Highlight of a freshman WR's life

Darren Rovell is officially the worst...

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:25 pm

Well, there's no evidence they had sex. Maybe they just cuddled.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:29 pm

The Spooning Irish!

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:10 pm

rass wrote:
Brontoburglar wrote:Highlight of a freshman WR's life

Darren Rovell is officially the worst...

Anyone who follows Rovell (or any of the widely-disliked gasbags) is part of the problem.

Post by **Shirley** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:21 pm

That moment when you know you've just gotten yourself fired.

UVA coach Mike London started the year on the hot seat, but a fairly good start to the season gave him a chance of surviving. This week, they were hosting the mediocre, but somewhat dangerous Cheating Tar Heels.

UVA controlled most of the game and led throughout, but a couple of poorly timed turnovers kept the Heels in the game. Unc got a 1 point lead late and then kicked and won an onside kick because they know their defense can't be trusted. 4th and 2 with about 1:15 to go, the Heels try to draw an offside penalty, but it doesn't work and they call timeout. They then send out the field goal team to go for a 4 point lead. Just before the snap, flag. Illegal substitution on UVA. First down Carolina, ball game. Illegal substitution. At the end of a critical home game after a fucking timeout.

He should go ahead and start packing up the office tonight.

testuser2 · Post by **testuser2** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:49 am

I have never heard a crowd boo as loudly as they did after this interception shown on the video board this weekend.

The play was reviewed and did not get overturned. OSU went on to score a touchdown. There were some other rough calls. One being the play clock expiring 3 seconds before OSU hit a 49 yard field goal.

edit: found the field goal.

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:54 am

What's more fucked up, college football or the South?

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:32 am

man, what did college football ever do to you to deserve that sort of comparison?

Post by **brian** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:37 am

Shirley wrote:That moment when you know you've just gotten yourself fired.

UVA coach Mike London started the year on the hot seat, but a fairly good start to the season gave him a chance of surviving. This week, they were hosting the mediocre, but somewhat dangerous Cheating Tar Heels.

UVA controlled most of the game and led throughout, but a couple of poorly timed turnovers kept the Heels in the game. Unc got a 1 point lead late and then kicked and won an onside kick because they know their defense can't be trusted. 4th and 2 with about 1:15 to go, the Heels try to draw an offside penalty, but it doesn't work and they call timeout. They then send out the field goal team to go for a 4 point lead. Just before the snap, flag. Illegal substitution on UVA. First down Carolina, ball game. Illegal substitution. At the end of a critical home game after a fucking timeout.

He should go ahead and start packing up the office tonight.

You're right. It's too bad too. I like the guy. I thought he was going to do well at UVA. Maybe Central can hire him after they (hopefully) fire Enos. He might just be more suited for the mid-major/high FCS level.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:26 am

Hugh Freeze, the Ole Miss coach, had a terrible end to the night in Baton Rouge.

Coaching malfeasance.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:34 pm

tennbengal wrote:Hugh Freeze, the Ole Miss coach, had a terrible end to the night in Baton Rouge.

Coaching malfeasance.

I think the biggest part of the blame rests on the QB. You throw it to the sidelines or out ofbounds with enough time left to try the kick. You don't throw it into coverage.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:47 pm

I am talking about the entire sequence.

3rd and 2, sideline freezes, they run the fg team on late, don't get the kick off, take the delay of game. Now 3rd and 7 but instead of a 42-yard field goal it is a 47-year field goal. So then he sends the offense back out and the INT happens.

A coach who hasn't vomited on himself has his offense in place to spike the ball on 3rd and 2 and brings the fg team on without rushing them for the 42-yard field goal.

It was clown shoes.