Question For People That Don't Play Swampcrash Except Ryan

[Jerloma]

Because everyone else has lost their fucking minds...If you wanted people to name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties but lasted no longer than about 8 months, which one of these would you pick to communicate that?

1. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties but lasted no longer than about 8 months.

2. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves, but no entry on the list lasted longer than 8 months.

[Ryan]

The second one.

[rass]

I'm still confused as to whether the 90/91 war and the 2003 invasion and the 2003-2011 war are being treated as separate actions/answers, and if so how many of them are correct.

[brian]

I'm going to admit I ALMOST understand Jerloma's confusion, but the disclaimer about none of them lasting more than 8 months resolved my internal confusion. And the answers made me understand the disclaimer all the more (i.e. Yom Kippur War, etc.)

[degenerasian]

Just say Desert Storm and let Ryan figure it out.

[Shirley]

The second one is much clearer, because it explicitly explains the main question I'd have from reading #1.

[Jerloma]

Did you guys ever take a logic course?

Name any car.

(List includes only cars made by Ford)

By this, you'd have to deduce that there are no cars that are not made by Ford.

Or you could just say...

Name any car made by Ford.

[rass]

Funny that you mention Ford in the context of arguing about the "worst SC question ever".

[Keg]

I hadn't seen this much complaining about officiating since the Seahawks lost the super bowl.

[brian]

What I'd give for a Like button on posts.

[Jerloma]

1. Name any team that's won a Super Bowl since 2000.
Note: List includes AFC teams

2. Name any AFC team that's won a Superbowl since 2000.

[Jerloma]

1. Name any Swamper.
Note: List includes only Swampers from New Jersey

2. Name any Swamper from New Jersey.

[Shirley]

Did you guys ever take a logic course?

Name any car.

(List includes only cars made by Ford)

By this, you'd have to deduce that there are no cars that are not made by Ford.

Or you could just say...

Name any car made by Ford.

OR ... you don't understand the meaning of "singular military operation."


(BTW, don't get me wrong. I didn't like the question, but not because of the wording.)

[Brontoburglar]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

[Shirley]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

[Brontoburglar]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

I was trying not to add words!

[Jerloma]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

That would be fine in Subjective Swampcrash.

[Shirley]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

That would be fine in Subjective Swampcrash.

8 months is subjective?

[Jerloma]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

That would be fine in Subjective Swampcrash.

8 months is subjective?

There isn't even 1 Google search result that attempts to define or provide any parameters for "singular military operation." It doesn't even recognize those words as being used in that sequence!

https://www.google.com/search?q=singula ... +operation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[The Sybian]

What if Jerloma isn't even presenting the ideal alternative?

3. Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties that lasted no longer than 8 months. (8)
NOTE: The list includes individual prolonged battles as part of larger wars, as well as wars themselves

Or "if a war is short enough, the entire war is considered one single operation."

That would be fine in Subjective Swampcrash.

8 months is subjective?

There isn't even 1 Google search result that attempts to define or provide any parameters for "singular military operation." It doesn't even recognize those words as being used in that sequence!

https://www.google.com/search?q=singula ... +operation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now I get it. You are mad because you couldn't Google it to get an answer.

[Johnnie]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_operation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Too much arguing over verbiage and not intent. Operations are singular in nature because there's a singular goal associated. But there's also levels of military operations from large scale to small.

Basically, don't confuse a war by its general name over the course of its timeline with the specific operations that happen during them.

There have been 8 military operations since 1950 with 18,000 casualties. Name one.

Hopefully, I'm making sense. If not, I'll launch OPERATION PROVIDE LOGIC.

[Ryan]

Shock and Ahhhh!

[Johnnie]

#militaryintelligence

[Rex]

The second would hold up better in court.

[DC47]

[mister d]

My answer depends on which answer would annoy you more.

[cerrano]

i feel like this thread will end up being the reason why we can't have nice things.

[mister d]

If that happens and Ryan runs away (again), I'm prepared to run another replacement-player subjective swampcrash.

[Jerloma]

What's amusing is the lengths that you guys will go through and the hoops that you'll jump through just to avoid saying..."Ya know what J-Lo...you're absolutely right." Because why leave your cozy little bubble full of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance for the pursuit of intellectual honesty? Since when has that started mattering? I get it.

I fucking get it.

[mister d]

Ok. I liked the way he originally phrased it, not your way.

[L-Jam3]

I don't get how you are being so incorrectly pedantic here. I'm only using my reasoning but the way I logically read it was this:

We're looking for a military operation that resulted in at least 18,000 casualties post WWII which was either:
a) A full war lasting less than 8 months, such as a war that lasted than six days.
b) A military campaign that lasted less than 8 months, or
c) A single battle, which obviously by definition doesn't take 8 months to fight.

So logically, I thought of battles such as the Six Day War (too obvious), Dien Bien Phu (18K seemed like a lot), Tet (ditto), the 1991 ground assault to liberate Kuwait (way too fucking obvious). So I went with the Siege of Sarajevo b/c I was in a time crunch and couldn't evaluate different responses. It was wrong, b/c a) it last four fucking years, and b) it somehow had only about 13.5K deaths, with no other accurate assumptions on other casualties.

As an aside, forgetting that it lasted four fucking years is an utter mental fart. That happened right when I started college, and as a Poli Sci major, I had to read the New York Times daily and be ready to speak on political issues. I really fucked up my major and career path. Sigh...

[Jerloma]

No L-Jam. We are looking for any military operation that had 18,000 casualties. That's the question that was asked. Then the hint was provided that none of them lasted for more than about 8 months. Ryan never said that the list is an arbitrary sample of these events which stops at the 8-ish month mark. Look at the question...ANY military operation. That hint just means that no military operations resulting in over 18,000 casualties since 1950 lasted over 8 months.

Name any singular worldwide military operation since 1950 that resulted in over 18,000 casualties but lasted no longer than about 8 months.

That's all you need. This indicates directly that there are more SMO's that produced 18,000 casualties but lasted no longer than about 8 months but this list stops at the arbitrary point whereby Rush decided to stop it.

[DC47]

I had no problem with the way the question was worded. I found the 8 months bit to helpfully explain what "singular military operation" meant in the context of the question.

I thought it was one of the more interesting questions we've seen. It made me realize how little I know about modern war, compared to, say, the Civil War or the Two Big Ones.

I spent some time thinking about Under-rated Singular Military Operations. Wars with high WAR, but which didn't make any all-star games.

For me, the ultimate is the genocidal Indonesian invasion of East Timor in the mid-70s. This one had it all. It starts with the classic trope of a dominant power crushing leftist natives. Civilian massacres galore. But wait, the indigenous people fight back guerilla-style! Then comes the advanced weaponry from the USA and the west, which are carefully ignoring this genocide. Soon the plucky underdogs are smashed. As a bonus, the Indonesians even executed five Australian journalists. And as a double super-bonus, the timid American news media stayed away in droves.

It's remarkable that this happened soon after the end of the Vietnam War, and it went largely unnoticed in America. Perhaps it was protest fatigue.

[Johnnie]

Wait, so the answers to the 8 potential operations weren't "OPERATION [WHATEVER]"? Or were their common names allowed to be used?

[degenerasian]

If it makes you feel better L-Jam I'm a Political Science major and didn't use it either.

DC: It was ignored in the US because those plucky guys in East Timor were seen as the commies so they were the bad guys. Same reason why the US embraced Pol Pot after the Vietnamese commies defeated him.

[DC47]

You're right about the East Timorese being seen as yet another gang of Asian Marxists. But I'm puzzled as to how the war was kept so silent in the States. I would have thought that in the years right after the Vietnam War terminated, that the American public would be sensitized to American-supported efforts to exterminate the communist vermin in Asia. And that a little thing like genocide might attract attention. If not that, then executing five Australian journalists might do it. If that happened today, I'd expect it to be considered a major story even if not done by ISIS. Done by a US ally? An even bigger story. I don't think the situation in East Timor even yielded a rock-star laden benefit concert of a decades-later fictionalized movie.

[degenerasian]

Yeah. Most likely swept it under the rug since the US were helping the genocide and journalists executions as a result. Carter loaned guns to them.

No Fox/CNN back then.

[BSF21]

Philip.