College Football Championship Week & Beyond

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:13 pm

Keg wrote:Is #7 Arizona in if they beat #2 Oregon?

They certainly have a case, if not a good one. But I think they'd just end up at #5 barring a total TCU/Baylor/OSU meltdown.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:16 pm

Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:
Ryan wrote:A little dev's advo here, because it's not like I follow enough to be able to think this myself, but if FSU is unimpressive enough to make the committee think they aren't one of the 4 best teams, that's good enough for me. Wins have always been just a piece of the puzzle. Why couldn't someone watch every game and consider them just a really good Marshall? (I know they lost)
Right, I agree completely. It's not like the ACC is the SEC or something -- the ACC is pretty much hot garbage. I believe FSU belongs in the top 4, but it's not so inconceivable that a Big Five undefeated team might one day be left out of the playoff, depending on what else happens with the other conferences, etc.
FWIW, the ACC went 4-0 against the SEC last weekend.

Oh Come on, dave. 6-6 Trash can fire Carolina. 5-7 (0-6 in last six dumpster fire) UK. 6-5 junkyard fire Florida. Only the win over Georgia was one that could have been reasonably expected to go the other way. And...bum bum bum...toss up game.
Beating up on this year's SEC east isn't an achievement to hang your conference's credibility on.

vandwagon · Post by **vandwagon** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:25 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:
Keg wrote:Is #7 Arizona in if they beat #2 Oregon?
They certainly have a case, if not a good one. But I think they'd just end up at #5 barring a total TCU/Baylor/OSU meltdown.

Quote from an SI article on the most recent rankings:

The Wildcats have 10 wins. They beat the teams currently ranked No. 2 (Oregon), No. 17 (Arizona State) and No. 23 (Utah). Their two losses came against teams ranked No. 15 (UCLA) and No. 25 (USC). I think the committee is high on the Pac-12 as a whole, as well it should be. And Arizona came out of the Pac-12 South, which had five teams go 8-4 or better.

With that many ranked Pac 12 teams, I think it's difficult to leave the champ out, especially with two wins over Oregon.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:26 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:
Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:
Ryan wrote:A little dev's advo here, because it's not like I follow enough to be able to think this myself, but if FSU is unimpressive enough to make the committee think they aren't one of the 4 best teams, that's good enough for me. Wins have always been just a piece of the puzzle. Why couldn't someone watch every game and consider them just a really good Marshall? (I know they lost)
Right, I agree completely. It's not like the ACC is the SEC or something -- the ACC is pretty much hot garbage. I believe FSU belongs in the top 4, but it's not so inconceivable that a Big Five undefeated team might one day be left out of the playoff, depending on what else happens with the other conferences, etc.
FWIW, the ACC went 4-0 against the SEC last weekend.
Oh Come on, dave. 6-6 Trash can fire Carolina. 5-7 (0-6 in last six dumpster fire) UK. 6-5 junkyard fire Florida. Only the win over Georgia was one that could have been reasonably expected to go the other way. And...bum bum bum...toss up game.
Beating up on this year's SEC east isn't an achievement to hang your conference's credibility on.

Oh, I thought those teams only had bad records because the SEC is so awesome and competitive that they beat each other up, but if they were in one of those pussy conferences, they'd all be undefeated. I must have misheard.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:26 pm

Seems like PAc 12 South and SEC west were pretty far and away the best divisions this year.

And I should make UK the trash can fire and South Carolina the dumpster fire.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:27 pm

Shirley wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:
Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:
Ryan wrote:A little dev's advo here, because it's not like I follow enough to be able to think this myself, but if FSU is unimpressive enough to make the committee think they aren't one of the 4 best teams, that's good enough for me. Wins have always been just a piece of the puzzle. Why couldn't someone watch every game and consider them just a really good Marshall? (I know they lost)
Right, I agree completely. It's not like the ACC is the SEC or something -- the ACC is pretty much hot garbage. I believe FSU belongs in the top 4, but it's not so inconceivable that a Big Five undefeated team might one day be left out of the playoff, depending on what else happens with the other conferences, etc.
FWIW, the ACC went 4-0 against the SEC last weekend.
Oh Come on, dave. 6-6 Trash can fire Carolina. 5-7 (0-6 in last six dumpster fire) UK. 6-5 junkyard fire Florida. Only the win over Georgia was one that could have been reasonably expected to go the other way. And...bum bum bum...toss up game.
Beating up on this year's SEC east isn't an achievement to hang your conference's credibility on.
Oh, I thought those teams only had bad records because the SEC is so awesome and competitive that they beat each other up, but if they were in one of those pussy conferences, they'd all be undefeated. I must have misheard.

I don't think anyone said that about the SEC east this year.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:37 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:It's better than beating Northwestern State.

And better than beating TCU apparently!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:10 pm

Arizona would have lost at home to CAL, if not for a Hail Mary bomb into the end zone on the last play of the game. 'Nuff said.

Post by **brian** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:24 pm

Arizona would need a total bloodbath this weekend to get in. Like all the favored teams losing basically. And even then they'd have a tough case against a lot of the (then) two loss teams.

Post by **Shirley** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:26 pm

There's a very real chance that Georgia Tech will beat FSU. The Yellow Jackets have quietly been very good.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:29 pm

Shirley wrote:The Yellow Jackets have quietly been very good.

For an ACC team.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:42 pm

I fully expect Tech to beat FSU this weekend.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:42 pm

And then Alabama to slaughter tOSU.

Post by **brian** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 2:54 pm

Shirley wrote:There's a very real chance that Georgia Tech will beat FSU. The Yellow Jackets have quietly been very good.

They've also been very lucky. They seem to Rube Goldberg their way to victories every week. I honestly think Florida State is going to crush them. I'm betting big on FSU this week.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:30 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:
Shirley wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:
Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:
Ryan wrote:A little dev's advo here, because it's not like I follow enough to be able to think this myself, but if FSU is unimpressive enough to make the committee think they aren't one of the 4 best teams, that's good enough for me. Wins have always been just a piece of the puzzle. Why couldn't someone watch every game and consider them just a really good Marshall? (I know they lost)
Right, I agree completely. It's not like the ACC is the SEC or something -- the ACC is pretty much hot garbage. I believe FSU belongs in the top 4, but it's not so inconceivable that a Big Five undefeated team might one day be left out of the playoff, depending on what else happens with the other conferences, etc.
FWIW, the ACC went 4-0 against the SEC last weekend.
Oh Come on, dave. 6-6 Trash can fire Carolina. 5-7 (0-6 in last six dumpster fire) UK. 6-5 junkyard fire Florida. Only the win over Georgia was one that could have been reasonably expected to go the other way. And...bum bum bum...toss up game.
Beating up on this year's SEC east isn't an achievement to hang your conference's credibility on.
Oh, I thought those teams only had bad records because the SEC is so awesome and competitive that they beat each other up, but if they were in one of those pussy conferences, they'd all be undefeated. I must have misheard.
I don't think anyone said that about the SEC east this year.

It's fun to point out that in the ACC-SEC stat that the only ACC team that was an underdog over the weekend was Georgia Tech. LVille, Clemson and FSU were all (rightly) favored.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Dec 03, 2014 7:02 pm

Notre Dame is not helping the ACC much.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:40 am

McIlwain to UF is official. Honestly don't know how to feel about this. I think Florida can do better frankly. I get that they're trying to re-create the Urban Meyer template, but I don't think it works like that.

phxgators · Post by **phxgators** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:51 am

brian wrote:McIlwain to UF is official. Honestly don't know how to feel about this. I think Florida can do better frankly. I get that they're trying to re-create the Urban Meyer template, but I don't think it works like that.

I'm surprised there wasn't more interest in RichRod... but other than that? I'm not sure who would have been a home run. Maybe Mullen? I read that part of the agreement was that the current defensive coordinator would stick around, so if this guy can fix the offense, we might be ok.

And since we're planning to move to Colorado next year, if the rumors about UF playing in Colorado, as part of the buyout compromise, are true... I'll be happy.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:54 am

phxgators wrote:
brian wrote:McIlwain to UF is official. Honestly don't know how to feel about this. I think Florida can do better frankly. I get that they're trying to re-create the Urban Meyer template, but I don't think it works like that.
I'm surprised there wasn't more interest in RichRod... but other than that? I'm not sure who would have been a home run. Maybe Mullen? I read that part of the agreement was that the current defensive coordinator would stick around, so if this guy can fix the offense, we might be ok.

And since we're planning to move to Colorado next year, if the rumors about UF playing in Colorado, as part of the buyout compromise, are true... I'll be happy.

Yeah, it's a bad year to be hiring a coach I think. You might be right -- you don't have to be Vince Lombardi to win big at Florida. You have four stars recruiting there even if Elmer Fudd is your recruiting coordinator. If he can get some competent coordinators, who knows?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:55 am

phxgators wrote:
brian wrote:McIlwain to UF is official. Honestly don't know how to feel about this. I think Florida can do better frankly. I get that they're trying to re-create the Urban Meyer template, but I don't think it works like that.
I'm surprised there wasn't more interest in RichRod... but other than that? I'm not sure who would have been a home run. Maybe Mullen? I read that part of the agreement was that the current defensive coordinator would stick around, so if this guy can fix the offense, we might be ok.

And since we're planning to move to Colorado next year, if the rumors about UF playing in Colorado, as part of the buyout compromise, are true... I'll be happy.

That's a weird agreement. I'm thinking Willy had as much to do with that as any coordinator.

And what's the point of having a buyout if you're gonna let the team that comes for him negotiate you down from it?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:05 am

Barely follow college football anymore, but surprised to see someone from my alma mater was actually considered good enough for one of those fucked-up Confederate schools with a cult-like fanbase.

Sancarlos, thoughts?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:09 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Barely follow college football anymore, but surprised to see someone from my alma mater was actually considered good enough for one of those fucked-up Confederate schools with a cult-like fanbase.

Sancarlos, thoughts?

Well, he was Urban Meyer's OC so it's not like he was some Colorado State man they went and snagged.

phxgators · Post by **phxgators** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:16 am

brian wrote:Yeah, it's a bad year to be hiring a coach I think.

Which is why Muschamp should have been fired last year, we could have had Strong.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:21 am

Keg wrote:Is #7 Arizona in if they beat #2 Oregon?

This is where college football totally confuses me. A team's ranking gets worse as their defeated opponents play worse.

So if Arizona beats Oregon, they get penalized cause Oregon lost to them and is now a 2 loss team instead of a 1 loss team. You'd almost rather beat someone else then beating the same team twice.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:16 pm

brian wrote: Yeah, it's a bad year to be hiring a coach I think. You might be right -- you don't have to be Vince Lombardi to win big at Florida. You have four stars recruiting there even if Elmer Fudd is your recruiting coordinator. If he can get some competent coordinators, who knows?

Rumours floating Nebraska may hire Jim Tressel. Now that would be interesting.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:32 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Keg wrote:Is #7 Arizona in if they beat #2 Oregon?
This is where college football totally confuses me. A team's ranking gets worse as their defeated opponents play worse.

So if Arizona beats Oregon, they get penalized cause Oregon lost to them and is now a 2 loss team instead of a 1 loss team. You'd almost rather beat someone else then beating the same team twice.

Or in Baylor's case, you get penalized for beating the team who is somehow still ahead of you.

Post by **brian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:36 pm

Nebraska hires Oregon St. HC Mike Riley. Universal response is WTF. He's 61, he's not really done much the last 5 or 6 seasons in Corvallis (with limited resources, granted). About as uninspiring hire as you can imagine if you're a Nebraska fan.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:44 pm

McElwain was Nick Saban's offensive coordinator 2008-2011, not Urban Meyer's. He did turn around Colorado State really quickly, and he developed a quarterback who will be playing on Sundays, so maybe he has it in him for Florida.

I hope CSU hires Bo Pelini and we get some Nebraska transfers. Pelini seems to be an asshole, but he wins without getting sanctioned.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:59 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckfuckfuckfuck goddamnit

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:07 pm

P.D.X. wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckfuckfuckfuck goddamnit

Is Riley really that beloved?

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:14 pm

sancarlos wrote:
P.D.X. wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckfuckfuckfuck goddamnit
Is Riley really that beloved?

Yes. Completely turned the program around. Really good at finding/signing underrated talent. Attracts NFL-caliber quarterbacks. And a completely respectable guy who always runs a clean program.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:00 pm

P.D.X. wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
P.D.X. wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckfuckfuckfuck goddamnit
Is Riley really that beloved?
Yes. Completely turned the program around. Really good at finding/signing underrated talent. Attracts NFL-caliber quarterbacks. And a completely respectable guy who always runs a clean program.

But is he better than Pellini is the big question.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:47 am

The finish in the UCF-Eastern Carolina was both awesome and horrific. Awesome because 51 yard hail marys are awesome by definition and horrific because I remember feeling how those ECU fans felt when LSU won on the Bluegrass Miracle.

psunate77 · Post by **psunate77** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:45 am

I know it's kids playing an anything can happen, but I see this..

Bama has less then a 1% chance of losing to Missouri.
Oregon loses to Zona
FSU loses to Ga Tech
Ohio State beats Wisky
TCU beats Iowa State
Kansas State beats Baylor

1) Bama
2) TCU
3) Arizona
4) Ohio State

joeyclams · Post by **joeyclams** » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:13 pm

AB_skin_test wrote:I mean, we're all Wisky fans here anyway, right?

You better be.

I think Wisconsin will surprise some folks tomorrow. At least I hope so.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:48 am

joeyclams wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:I mean, we're all Wisky fans here anyway, right?
You better be.

I think Wisconsin will surprise some folks tomorrow. At least I hope so.

By some do you mean those thinking Wisconsin is not-rightly favored?

Post by **brian** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:37 pm

And the Alabama rout is on...

rass · Post by **rass** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:39 pm

SHOW ME SOMETHING MISSOURI!!!

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:03 pm

There's no monetary interest for the conferences in these championship games is there? Free shoes gets all the calls tonight. I like the ejection technique.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:01 pm

rass wrote:SHOW ME SOMETHING MISSOURI!!!

Forget that game. Put on Oklahoma, Oklahoma St. What a punt return following a running into the punter call that probably should have been a roughing (with a 1st down) call.