Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:18 am

The Sybian wrote:I hate seeing these riots. Store owners and people who live in the riot zones get fucked, and it feeds into the racists arguments. I'm sure the Free Republic board is full of comments referring to the rioters as "animals," and the riots result in sympathy for the police and take away from the protesters, who deserve the media focus.

Hate to use buzzwords, but riots shift the narrative.

Sensible people know what the real, underlying issue is, but sensible people's voices are getting harder and harder to hear.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:02 am

Pruitt wrote:
The Sybian wrote:I hate seeing these riots. Store owners and people who live in the riot zones get fucked, and it feeds into the racists arguments. I'm sure the Free Republic board is full of comments referring to the rioters as "animals," and the riots result in sympathy for the police and take away from the protesters, who deserve the media focus.
Hate to use buzzwords, but riots shift the narrative.

Sensible people know what the real, underlying issue is, but sensible people's voices are getting harder and harder to hear.

I really hope sensible voices are the silent majority, but I think most people believe their viewpoint is the silent majority. Heuristics!

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:14 am

The flip side is that peaceful protests wouldn't have been on all of the TV channels. They'd have been talking about Bruce Jenner.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:11 pm

Shirley wrote:The flip side is that peaceful protests wouldn't have been on all of the TV channels. They'd have been talking about Bruce Jenner.

This.

Prior to the violence in Baltimore, hadn't there been 4 days of peaceful protesting that went completely unreported.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:45 pm

degenerasian wrote:hadn't there been 4 days of peaceful protesting that went completely unreported.

I hadn't heard!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:02 pm

I support the Bill of Rights, except if a cop asks me to do something then I just forget the stupid Bill of Rights and do it immediately YES SIR!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:03 pm

I support the 2nd Amendment, fuck all the other Amendments! That's America today. Oh and the amendment about Congressmen giving themselves raises, that one's cool too.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:10 pm

So can I get odds on my guess that the arson of the senior housing project was done by a reactionary white person, as revenge for black people rioting. I suppose insurance fraud is more likely, but this particular fire does not fit logically with the riot.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:58 pm

Don't think this was mentioned here. John Angelos is the son of the owner of the Orioles, and is himself an executive with the ballclub, COO of the cable network and ExecVP of the team. He had these comments on radio and on the twitter yesterday. You don't hear wealthy sons of privilege speaking like this too ofter, they might revoke his card:

“Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela, and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, an ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importance of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ball game irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.”

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:11 pm

Remarkable. Has he been taking your correspondence course for many years now?

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:13 pm

If the long revolution that reforms American politics is starting about now, history will record the leaders as being police all across the land.

Lenin 911.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm

The lighter side of rioting...

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:15 pm

Peter Angelos started as a criminal defense attorney, then moved to a civil litigator representing the people against large corporations, insurance companies, etc. Sounds like his son picked up on championing the working man.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:17 pm

I meant to post that 'mother of the year' vid.

Irony alert--Ray Lewis imploring rioters that violence is not the answer. What next, 'Melo telling people to snitch on rioters?

Ray Lewis, Carmelo Anthony speak out against Baltimore riots

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:21 pm

"Stay home!" - Cal Ripken
"Don't take unnecessary risks!" - Joe Flacco

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:29 pm

"No matter what you do to clean up after the riots, don't use bleach!" - Terrell Suggs

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:41 pm

That one is superior to mine

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:23 pm

govmentchedda wrote:Peter Angelos started as a criminal defense attorney, then moved to a civil litigator representing the people against large corporations, insurance companies, etc. Sounds like his son picked up on championing the working man.

He did indeed, and, given he is my employer, proud as hell to see what his son said. Strong.

Long night last night. Jewelry store literally on corner next to my house had windows smashed and cvs across street from that also with windows smashed. I don't know if either was entered or damaged beyond broken glass.

Was in deposition all day, but things feel calmer tonight. Next pressure point is Friday when report on initial findings into investigation of Gray's death is to be released.

Went down to inner harbor this AM and took pics of the national guard deployed there. Crazy stuff to see.

A lot of businesses near my downtown workplace were looted.

Hoping the spasm of violence relaxes tonight, but, again, if it does not, you won't find me passing judgement. I know enough what they are reacting to, to have understanding and empathy.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:18 pm

How are you kids handling it?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:52 pm

Just the one to worry about now, oldest is away at college. Quinn is 13, 7th grade, and we are having long talks about what he had seen in city over the years in terms of poverty and source of what is happening now. He's generally ok but had that 1000 yard stare starting to develop tonight, luckily he had a practice to go to and physical activity helped.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:53 am

I just entered "Baltimore" on Google and these were the second and third headlines that came up.

Baltimore quiets down as residents obey all-night curfew
Fox News‎ - 6 hours ago
Baltimore Riots: Protesters Defy Curfew, Again Clash With Police
ABC News‎ - 6 hours ago

vandwagon · Post by **vandwagon** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:08 am

Hope things were calm in your neighborhood last night, Bengal. I watched both local and national coverage last night. Local coverage was taking a positive look that most people heeded the curfew, but the national coverage made things sound worse than it appeared.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:49 am

vandwagon wrote:Hope things were calm in your neighborhood last night, Bengal. I watched both local and national coverage last night. Local coverage was taking a positive look that most people heeded the curfew, but the national coverage made things sound worse than it appeared.

All quiet last night, pretty much everywhere. A nice respite.

Looking back on Monday, I was wondering if the move to clear people out of downtown early (we closed at 2:47) was an over-reaction, but...guess not. My parking garage is just up the block from my building, like a 100 foot walk. There is a coffee shop above the entrance to my garage (Coffeeland) run/owned by this great Korean couple, really awesome people and a nice place to get breakfast/lunch. They had their doors smashed sometime after I left on Monday. Popped in this morning to get breakfast and commiserate over the broken door. Asked him when it happened, assuming in the overnight. Turns out...not so much. They close at 5:00 pm, he was tidying up the store, when, at 5:30 pm on Monday the place was surrounded by, he says, about 20 kids. That was when they broke in, hit him, robbed him (car keys/store keys, phone, register), messed some other stuff up (although he was grateful they didn't mess up his more expensive coffeee/espresso machines), and then left. Apparently at the same time the 7-11 just up the block got hit.

So...5:30 pm. That's usually when downtown is emptying out. Police never did get around to taking a report. They've boarded up the door and were back to open on Tuesday, business as usual.

Hard to properly convey just how completely lawless it was at times Monday evening into the overnight, but his story was not uncommon. There were dozens of stories just like it, or more, and very few of them got covered, hard to fully grasp how widespread the issues were.

In any event, much quieter last night, hoping that is the new normal for awhile.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:01 pm

I don't know about camo, but I like that governor gets polo shirts that say governor.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:18 pm

Then there's these assholes. Stay classy, CNN!

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:25 pm

So, ten arrests overnight. Seven of those for curfew violations. Very good, hope the peace continues.

OTOH, now the dark side is floating misinformation that Freddie Gray had spinal surgery prior to his being beaten to death by cops. And that he collected an insurance payout (surgery followed an automobile accident, according to this line of bullshit.)

The truth about Freddie Gray's 'pre-existing injury from car accident'

The sea of lies to justify, alibi and deflect attention from the crimes of cops. Like the 'credible threats' of gangs teaming up to target cops on Monday, which turned out to be 100% bullshit. That will never be investigated, the liars never held to responsibility. The beat goes on.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:55 pm

Some will question the source, but I think this is pretty damn important and it isn't being discussed.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... wmin-purge" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In a nutshell, the cops picked up on social media chatter, cordoned off the area around the mall and MORE IMPORTANTLY they shut off the means of students to leave the area. They wouldn't let buses leave, in fact they made people disembark, and they shutdown the metro station. A lot of kids at the high school have to use public transit to get home. They were then herded into an area and effectively trapped.

That's coming from teachers and parents. I'm not taking it as gospel, but I would really like more investigation into these claims.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:11 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:Some will question the source, but I think this is pretty damn important and it isn't being discussed.

Da swamp, on the case!

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Again, cop incompetence is usually a significant feature in such things.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:15 pm

My first step if I wanted to start a riot would be to find a gathering and send the riot police there.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:20 pm

Gunpowder wrote:My first step if I wanted to start a riot would be to find a gathering and send the riot police there.

Richard J. Daley, Mayor of Chicago, famously said in 1968:

"Gentlemen, let's get this thing straight, once and for all. The policeman is not here to create disorder. The policeman is here to preserve disorder."

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:41 pm

howard wrote:Two little things. Some reports are already giving huge weight to social media in the genesis of this rioting. Bullshit - like there never was a riot before cell phones.

And an early (in the course of today's events) incident if not the initial incident was high school kids from Douglass High rioting at Mondawmin Mall across the street. Either the school let the students out early, or they got out at the usual time. But another report is that the subway running from that location downtown was shut down. I wonder if high school kids unable to take the train home, left standing around, contributed to the situation. If so, that is more likely than social media to fuel the rioting.

And I do remember you posting this now that you reminded me... Absolutely on point. When I initially read it, I didn't fully grasp what you were saying in the context of the situation. See, it didn't actually dawn on me that they shut down the subway PRIOR to the start of the "protests"/turned riot. I just assumed it was reactionary.

And, look, I'm not saying the BPD is savvy enough to have orchestrated this as a means of distraction. I don't think they're that clever. I just think that instead of de-escalating the situation they made things pretty much inevitable. What did they expect these kids to do once they locked them into a large-scale, open air holding cell?

I'm still not sure I buy this, quite frankly. I just can't believe they wouldn't just let kids who wanted to leave to do so. How does that make sense?

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:47 pm

My guess is that they were afraid of a huge mob of kids marching out of the neighborhood, into the downtown area. One of the goals is to keep the violence in the ghetto, out of the white neighborhoods or white commercial area.

I'm not suggesting that there is a straight line of logic from that goal to their action. Again, cops are fucking stupid. But containment is one of the ideas that inform their behavior.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:41 pm

Baltimore Residents Urged To Stay Indoors Until Social Progress Naturally Takes Its Course Over Next Century

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri May 01, 2015 10:25 am

Didn't vote for her, but Mosby (State's atty for Balt City) just fucking stepped up.

ALL six officers charged. Van driver with second degree murder and other counts, other five officers with manslaughter and other counts.

Mosby confirms original arrest was without probable cause.

She is related to eight police officers (grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles etc), wasn't sure which side of thin blue line she was on.

This may help calm things down (although confirmation that he was literally killed for nothing may stir anger).

I hope it is calm. Our office is closing at noon just in case.

Her words included this "I hear your cries of no justice no peace. Please provide peace so I can seek justice for this young man." Strong.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri May 01, 2015 10:57 am

I think most folks already assumed the stuff about him being stopped for being black and mobile, so I don't think this "confirmation" will stir things up.

I think maintaining a curfew into the weekend might be a problem. They are treating people who had nothing to do with the mayhem like criminals.

howard · Post by **howard** » Fri May 01, 2015 10:57 am

Well, you don't see that every day.

I liked this article, describing bcpd over the last couple of decades.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015 ... -s-anguish" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri May 01, 2015 12:46 pm

Will the Baltimore Police step into f you mode now?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri May 01, 2015 1:14 pm

Pruitt wrote:Will the Baltimore Police step into f you mode now?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri May 01, 2015 2:00 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Will the Baltimore Police step into f you mode now?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That was quick.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri May 01, 2015 4:10 pm

Pruitt wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:
Pruitt wrote:Will the Baltimore Police step into f you mode now?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That was quick.

On a rather insignificant side-note, they put that out PRIOR to her stepping up to the podium. Apparently they weren't aware she was doing this today.