Unbelievable...If I was the Coach

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:04 pm

I would lose my mind. I would cut everyone of the kids, write to the colleges that they were going to, and ask that they return anything with the team name on it.
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howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 12:59 pm

The true shame of that story, the game is scheduled for 11am. But somehow, manicure, makeup and hair appointments…

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:03 pm

I would cut everyone of the kids...

That seems unnecessarily cruel. The seniors who chose this over prom are done so you can't cut them. You're going to cut the underclassmen that had nothing to do with it and were in fact screwed from it?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:05 pm

It is a shame, such selfish girls. But, I'm amused at the vitriol wlu worked up over it.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:21 pm

Why couldn't they just move the game?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:22 pm

sancarlos wrote:It is a shame, such selfish girls. But, I'm amused at the vitriol wlu worked up over it.

RESPECT THE GAME

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:23 pm

Jerloma wrote:
I would cut everyone of the kids...
That seems unnecessarily cruel. The seniors who chose this over prom are done so you can't cut them. You're going to cut the underclassmen that had nothing to do with it and were in fact screwed from it?

I only meant the kids who voted to not play. Basically not award them their varsity letters.

My senior year we had an away game the afternoon of our prom. We lost to a team we should have beaten (missing the playoffs), but there was never a question of if we were going to play or not.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:33 pm

I can totally understand the girls making that decision if it was going to obliterate their prom. But 11 a.m.?? Even if the game was hours away, they're still getting home by mid-afternoon. That's a baffling decision and I have to think there's something else going on there.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:34 pm

sancarlos wrote:It is a shame, such selfish girls. But, I'm amused at the vitriol wlu worked up over it.

I have always played for coaches and teams where you just prioritize the team ahead of yourself. I tried to duck out of lunch after my bar mitvah to make a soccer game (family veto'd that plan), but I made a point of letting my teammates know they should not post for lunch. My first year in college, I did not go to my sister's college graduation because of a game (and I did not get much playing time that year).

My junior year of high school a handful of got a chance to go to the U.S.S.R. on an exchange program (back when Jeans were big currency and toilet paper was a premium). They only missed practices because of it but cost 3 of them their role as captain on the team and a goalie his starting spot.

My mom is still upset that we drove back from Pittsburgh on Sunday morning instead of spending another day with her so that I could make a playoff lacrosse game for my men's competitive club team.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:38 pm

I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:39 pm

mister d wrote:Why couldn't they just move the game?

From the LA Times article:

Agoura Coach Steve Omlor said he spent more than 10 hours on the phone trying to get lacrosse officials to change the date of the final. They refused.

Nonlinear FC wrote:I can totally understand the girls making that decision if it was going to obliterate their prom. But 11 a.m.?? Even if the game was hours away, they're still getting home by mid-afternoon. That's a baffling decision and I have to think there's something else going on there.

Someone in the comments of the Y! article said the game location was an hour from the prom location. That's in ideal traffic, and I was sort of expecting howard to come in and give us a lesson in LA commuting. The same commenter claims the team that did play did not get back until 3PM. Seems like the original team could have made a go of it, but who knows.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:40 pm

Jerloma wrote:I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.

That was a text book humblebrag, right?

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:58 pm

I skipped the championship lacrosse match my senior year to try and bang the nerdy hottie in some stupid glee club.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:07 pm

Wlu, would you have the same level of reaction for the story if it was a softball team? My guess is no.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:10 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:My mom is still upset that we drove back from Pittsburgh on Sunday morning instead of spending another day with her so that I could make a playoff lacrosse game for my men's competitive club team.

I find this weird.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:13 pm

Can I get a do-over on any previous comments? I want to joke that if Wlu was the coach, this would end up getting him fired for sending a note out to all of his girls that they're cute.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:13 pm

rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.
That was a text book humblebrag, right?

Was it? I don't think so. My former tennis career isn't really a secret here.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:26 pm

Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.
That was a text book humblebrag, right?
Was it? I don't think so. My former tennis career isn't really a secret here.

Played out of his skull and...didn't beat you.

I know you played tennis, I guess I don't know at what level.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:42 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:Wlu, would you have the same level of reaction for the story if it was a softball team? My guess is no.

Sport agnostic on this one. Actually activity agnostic. When you make a commitment to others you do it. My daughter takes ballet, She was sick for the show this year and it crusher her not to be able to perform. I tried to figure out a way to let her go right before she was on, dance, and then leave, but the studio decided it would upset the other parents if my contagious daughter got their kids sick.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:53 pm

can't we let promzillas be?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:05 pm

wlu_lax6 wrote:Sport agnostic on this one. Actually activity agnostic. When you make a commitment to others you do it. My daughter takes ballet, She was sick for the show this year and it crusher her not to be able to perform. I tried to figure out a way to let her go right before she was on, dance, and then leave, but the studio decided it would upset the other parents if my contagious daughter got their kids sick.

But ... you left your mom ...

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:05 pm

I'm with wlu on this one. If you commit to a team, you show up to the games and practices. Playoff games especially. I'm having a hard time understanding girls who had practiced and played all year to get to that point just deciding to quit so they have all day to get their hair did. Makes me wonder if the team didn't have other problems.

BTW, I blame the parents as well. Yes, these are young women at this point, but sometimes they need guidance. You don't just let down your teammates and coaches that way.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:06 pm

rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.
That was a text book humblebrag, right?
Was it? I don't think so. My former tennis career isn't really a secret here.
Played out of his skull and...didn't beat you.

I know you played tennis, I guess I don't know at what level.

Did I say he didn't beat me?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:10 pm

The fact that he played out of his skull to send it to three sets means you probably thought you should handle him more easily.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:13 pm

Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
rass wrote:
Jerloma wrote:I had a tennis match the day of my prom and the kid from Mount ended playing out of his skull of course so it ended up being one of those crazy long 7-5, 5-7, 7-6 matches. I didn't get off the court until 5:45, had to drive home to Johnston, then to Burrilville to pick up GF and then back down to Newport for the prom. Burrilville and Newport are like as far away as two things can be from each other in RI (which is like and hour). I was like almost two hours late.
That was a text book humblebrag, right?
Was it? I don't think so. My former tennis career isn't really a secret here.
Played out of his skull and...didn't beat you.

I know you played tennis, I guess I don't know at what level.
Did I say he didn't beat me?

No, no you didn't.

But, yes A_B.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:13 pm

Though it's your own fault being late for prom by not dispatching him 1 and 1 in the manner in which he deserved.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:20 pm

mister d wrote:
wlu_lax6 wrote:Sport agnostic on this one. Actually activity agnostic. When you make a commitment to others you do it. My daughter takes ballet, She was sick for the show this year and it crusher her not to be able to perform. I tried to figure out a way to let her go right before she was on, dance, and then leave, but the studio decided it would upset the other parents if my contagious daughter got their kids sick.
But ... you left your mom ...

She knew the situation when we agreed to visit Pittsburgh that weekend. She was not happy about it, but knew the deal.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:25 pm

rass wrote:Someone in the comments of the Y! article said the game location was an hour from the prom location. That's in ideal traffic, and I was sort of expecting howard to come in and give us a lesson in LA commuting. The same commenter claims the team that did play did not get back until 3PM. Seems like the original team could have made a go of it, but who knows.

I looked at all three schools. The team that did play was not much farther away than Agoura. The 405 sucks on weekends, too, so the 3pm return arrival sounds right for a game that started at 11am.

Whoops, I'm not howard.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:29 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
rass wrote:Someone in the comments of the Y! article said the game location was an hour from the prom location. That's in ideal traffic, and I was sort of expecting howard to come in and give us a lesson in LA commuting. The same commenter claims the team that did play did not get back until 3PM. Seems like the original team could have made a go of it, but who knows.
I looked at all three schools. The team that did play was not much farther away than Agoura. The 405 sucks on weekends, too, so the 3pm return arrival sounds right for a game that started at 11am.

Whoops, I'm not howard.

When I want an informed opinion of LA traffic, I'd rather it be from a New Yorker, thankyouverymuch. (there's actually two different ways to take that and they're both funny, IMO.)

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:31 pm

Shirley wrote:I'm with wlu on this one. If you commit to a team, you show up to the games and practices. Playoff games especially. I'm having a hard time understanding girls who had practiced and played all year to get to that point just deciding to quit so they have all day to get their hair did. Makes me wonder if the team didn't have other problems.

BTW, I blame the parents as well. Yes, these are young women at this point, but sometimes they need guidance. You don't just let down your teammates and coaches that way.

This is what I was getting at... Think about all of the girls not going to prom. Tha Fuck? I would be LIVID if a bunch of my teammates pulled that...

And I also agree wholeheartedly with the commitment thing. It's really bad form by the parents to allow this type of horseshit.

Again, though, it makes me think there was friction with the coach, or some major drama with cliques on the team centered around class (junior v senior).

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:38 pm

Except I bet every one of them would have told you before the season they'd pick their prom over a game and, when they committed to the team, there was no game on prom day.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:38 pm

DSafetyGuy wrote:
rass wrote:Someone in the comments of the Y! article said the game location was an hour from the prom location. That's in ideal traffic, and I was sort of expecting howard to come in and give us a lesson in LA commuting. The same commenter claims the team that did play did not get back until 3PM. Seems like the original team could have made a go of it, but who knows.
I looked at all three schools. The team that did play was not much farther away than Agoura. The 405 sucks on weekends, too, so the 3pm return arrival sounds right for a game that started at 11am.

Whoops, I'm not howard.

That's for sure.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:36 pm

mister d wrote:Except I bet every one of them would have told you before the season they'd pick their prom over a game and, when they committed to the team, there was no game on prom day.

I agree with this.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:11 pm

Jerloma wrote:
I would cut everyone of the kids...
That seems unnecessarily cruel.

Why? Permanent disfigurement fits the crime.

The equation here is completely different for girls than boys. Prom is a huge event for girls, they dream about this shit for years. Most guys don't give a fuck about prom. OTOH, guys tend to care a hell of a lot more about sports accomplishments than girls do. Girls take all day to get ready for proms, getting their hair professional done up, makeup and whatever the fuck else girls do to get ready. Although these are lacrosse girls, so they just need to slap on some deodorant and a hair band.

I missed one intramural roller hockey playoff game in college, and I still hear about it. Earlier that year, I drove back from Ann Arbor to Buffalo overnight to make a Sunday morning game. Drove about 5 hours while coming down from my first shroom high, pulled into my driveway with an hour to take a shower and get dressed. As I pull in, my 2 housemates who played on my team come out with all their gear, and mine, get in my car saying "perfect timing." I didn't realize it was daylights saving day, so it was an hour later than I thought.

Sidenote, driving on the QEW in Canada between Michigan and Buffalo is mind numbingly horrific. Completely flat and straight, no change in scenery, and worse with a blinding orange sunrise directly in your face.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:15 pm

Giff wrote:I skipped the championship lacrosse match my senior year to try and bang the nerdy hottie in some stupid glee club.

Hey, I saw that movie!

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:09 pm

The Sybian wrote: Completely flat and straight, no change in scenery, and worse with a blinding orange sunrise directly in your face.

I'm sure the shroom hangover amplified that effect.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:32 pm

I am as anti-prom as they get. Back in the day, I loved the scene in Carrie where the prom was blown to hell. My only regret was that the footage wasn't from my pretentious high school.

I also believe that much of teen sports is complete and total bullshit, in an infinite number of ways. It's not clear to me that more good is done than harm, in general. Many teams are wildly dysfunctional and damaging.

While I'd love to go overboard in judging this particular case, in order to further ventilate these easy targets, in truth I think this is most likely just another cheap journalistic story where most of the relevant facts are probably not included. They include potential for:

- irrevocable commitments of kids to (absurd, loathsome) appointments for prom prep and activities
- valid resentment of kids towards underclass team-mates, coach, and/or league officials for unspecified reasons (e.g., this could be a protest)
- parents to be the invisible hand in this
- it really to be all about a small number of kids who refused to play, without whom the game couldn't be competitive; three jerks isn't much of a story

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:07 am

The Sybian wrote:
Giff wrote:I skipped the championship lacrosse match my senior year to try and bang the nerdy hottie in some stupid glee club.
Hey, I saw that movie!

I also fucked a pie.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:03 am

Giff wrote:
The Sybian wrote:
Giff wrote:I skipped the championship lacrosse match my senior year to try and bang the nerdy hottie in some stupid glee club.
Hey, I saw that movie!
I also fucked a pie.

And a flute?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:05 am

What would the originators of lacrosse say if they knew these young ladies wanted to skip a game to get hammered at an early age? Disgraceful.