NFL Free Agency

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:37 am

Grasspenis wrote:The Lions just pushed this year's Suh cap hit into next year. Those old top-5 draft picks just kill teams on the cap.

Yeah, though it's about to not really matter. The good news is that the three most onerous rookie contracts (Johnson, Suh, Stafford) are for players who largely have panned out (understatement in terms of Megatron, obvs). Definitely Stafford and likely Suh will get new contracts after this season and then they're out from under the rookie contracts. Theoretically at least they'll be being paid market value at that point (as Calvin is now)

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:48 am

Though it is true that it limits the Lions ability to do things that other teams could do if contract negotiations get hairy. Megatron, despite obviously getting a massive (deserved) contract, was cool about re-doing his deal to lower his cap number when he didn't really have to.

The Lions won't be able to franchise Stafford or Suh, so they're going to have to a) probably give them a little bit more money in their extensions than they might have had to and b) hope that both players are willing to be give up some of their leverage to make sure their contracts don't blow up the cap, much like Johnson was.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:51 am

I'll bet you Suh ends up somewhere else.

roomtemperaturemayo · Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:02 pm

Yeah the problem is the positions. DL and QB are probably the highest paid positions outside of maybe CB. No way they have room for 3 huge contracts and still have anything left for a team.

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:11 pm

Grasspenis wrote:I'll bet you Suh ends up somewhere else.

I don't disagree. And I'd be disappointed, but if you can only keep two out of those three, Stafford and Johnson are the right two. Worst case, hopefully they can at least swing a trade for Suh and get a draft pick.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:41 pm

bryan wrote:
Grasspenis wrote:I'll bet you Suh ends up somewhere else.
I don't disagree. And I'd be disappointed, but if you can only keep two out of those three, Stafford and Johnson are the right two. Worst case, hopefully they can at least swing a trade for Suh and get a draft pick.

It would be tough with that contract. I guess they could franchise him and see if someone bites. I just think he's overrated as hell. The anti-Megatron, who should already have a statue outside of Ford Field.

Ryan the Temp · Post by **Ryan the Temp** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:16 pm

Danny Woodhead to Les Chargerres.

Johnny Hotcakes · Post by **Johnny Hotcakes** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:19 pm

Danny Woodhead is my favorite 5'4" white guy in the entire NFL. Outside of kickers, of course.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:45 pm

Whoa...Patriots getting a little darker.

Johnny Hotcakes · Post by **Johnny Hotcakes** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:47 pm

@greggrosenthal: The exodus of Patriots that look like Patriots fans is complete.

Ryan the Temp · Post by **Ryan the Temp** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:49 pm

Did Gonk die?

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:59 pm

FredRomero wrote:
The Burglar wrote:However, the idea of writing off Welker and immediately shouting "upgrade!" seems quite premature and Patriotic.
Nobody is saying that. Well maybe Rush is.

Yeah, Rush is definitely saying that. Amazing how quickly he went from Welkah! to "Dropsy" in some folks' eyes

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:01 pm

While Welker has actually been somewhat dropsy, many WRs would probably have a good amount of drops if the ball were thrown at them so often.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:06 pm

"I'll take 70 catches and 0 drops over 118 catches and 10 drops any day." - Rush

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:44 pm

Elvis Dumervil signed a new, cap-friendly deal with the Broncos, today. I'm glad, as he was getting cut if they didn't get this done, and proven pass rushers are always in demand.

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:18 pm

Holy Chaz wrote:Elvis Dumervil signed a new, cap-friendly deal with the Broncos, today. I'm glad, as he was getting cut if they didn't get this done, and proven pass rushers are always in demand.

Not so fast, my friend. Paperwork wasn't filed with the league in time, so Dumervil released by the Broncos. (May have been related to Welker deal putting them over the cap.) Someone should be getting fired in the front office over that.

timgod99X · Post by **timgod99X** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:19 pm

bryan wrote:
Holy Chaz wrote:Elvis Dumervil signed a new, cap-friendly deal with the Broncos, today. I'm glad, as he was getting cut if they didn't get this done, and proven pass rushers are always in demand.
Not so fast, my friend. Paperwork wasn't filed with the league in time, so Dumervil released by the Broncos. (May have been related to Welker deal putting them over the cap.) Someone should be getting fired in the front office over that.

@MikeKlis Broncos didn't get fax with Elvis Dumervil signature on contract until 2:07 p.m. -- 7 minutes and 1 second past the deadline!

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:20 pm

I'm torn on Dumervil (at the Dumervillian price range of probably $8+ mil).

temporassy · Post by **temporassy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:30 pm

Grasspenis wrote:I'm torn on Dumervil...

Pectoralpenis

timgod99X · Post by **timgod99X** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:57 pm

Greg Jennings to the Vikings

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:05 pm

timgod99X wrote:Greg Jennings to the Vikings

FredRomero · Post by **FredRomero** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:53 pm

Patriots sign Adrian Wilson. This would have been much better news a few years ago.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:29 am

Yeah, exactly what I said. Stick to looking up things on Baseball Reference.

mister d wrote:"I'll take 70 catches and 0 drops over 118 catches and 10 drops any day." - Rush

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:33 am

Especially due to the Broncos having to eat nearly 5 million in dead money due to this. Which hurts them in trying to resign Dumervil and bring in a runstopper/DL depth, a capable backup RB and defensive backfield depth.

Perhaps this has them reuniting the whirling dervish with Peyton.

bryan wrote:
Holy Chaz wrote:Elvis Dumervil signed a new, cap-friendly deal with the Broncos, today. I'm glad, as he was getting cut if they didn't get this done, and proven pass rushers are always in demand.
Not so fast, my friend. Paperwork wasn't filed with the league in time, so Dumervil released by the Broncos. (May have been related to Welker deal putting them over the cap.) Someone should be getting fired in the front office over that.

roomtemperaturemayo · Post by **roomtemperaturemayo** » Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:03 pm

Talib is back. Lloyd cut. Lloyd just cant really get open. And hes a pussy. Nice hands and route running though. The anti-Welker maybe? Nah, neither can get downfield. And Welker runs good routes. Wonder what he did before green bay spread the back shoulder through the league. That was about 60% of his catches. Poorly attacked bubble screens another 30%

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:36 am

Jake Long signs with the Rams. This is good.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:51 am

roomtemperaturemayo wrote:Talib is back. Lloyd cut. Lloyd just cant really get open. And hes a pussy. Nice hands and route running though. The anti-Welker maybe? Nah, neither can get downfield. And Welker runs good routes. Wonder what he did before green bay spread the back shoulder through the league. That was about 60% of his catches. Poorly attacked bubble screens another 30%

Hm.

Brandon Lloyd: 74 catches (12.3 YPC), 160 yards after catch (2.16 YAC/C)
Wes Welker: 118 catches (11.4), 619 yards after catch (5.25 YAC/C)

So yes, Lloyd really couldn't get downfield.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:25 am

RushianRoulette wrote:Yeah, exactly what I said. Stick to looking up things on Baseball Reference.

mister d wrote:"I'll take 70 catches and 0 drops over 118 catches and 10 drops any day." - Rush

Aren't you pretty much judging Amendola entirely from what you are seeing on football-reference?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:27 am

Rams Fanny wrote:Jake Long signs with the Rams. This is good.

It's 2013 Jake Long, though. If his name were Lake Jong, he'd get about half of what he got here, I'd think.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:28 am

Brontoburglar wrote:
roomtemperaturemayo wrote:Talib is back. Lloyd cut. Lloyd just cant really get open. And hes a pussy. Nice hands and route running though. The anti-Welker maybe? Nah, neither can get downfield. And Welker runs good routes. Wonder what he did before green bay spread the back shoulder through the league. That was about 60% of his catches. Poorly attacked bubble screens another 30%
Hm.

Brandon Lloyd: 74 catches (12.3 YPC), 160 yards after catch (2.16 YAC/C)
Wes Welker: 118 catches (11.4), 619 yards after catch (5.25 YAC/C)

So yes, Lloyd really couldn't get downfield.

I'd hope that the Steelers would sign Lloyd, but he'd be running his routes, looking back expecting the ball, and then he'd see Roeth running around like a headless chicken and just sigh.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:28 am

Talib's good enough that I'd take the chance that he could kill someone at any given moment and re-sign him.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:59 am

Why does nobody give a shit about Bernie Pollard?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:11 am

I've read multiple quotes along the lines of "there's a reason Pollard is looking for his fourth team in as many years". I guess he's just a general bag of douche.

FredRomero · Post by **FredRomero** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:40 am

Grasspenis wrote:I've read multiple quotes along the lines of "there's a reason Pollard is looking for his fourth team in as many years". I guess he's just a general bag of douche.

And I heard he sucks in coverage, but he's good at injuring Patriots.

Apparently Lloyd has some crazy in him too, which is one of the reasons they let him go.

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:14 am

The Bengals have re-signed Rey Maualuga.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:28 pm

FredRomero wrote:Apparently Lloyd has some crazy in him too, which is one of the reasons they let him go.

Yes, Lloyd has lots of crazy in him. That's why he's played for so many different teams, methinks.

Back to the other Lloyd issue discussed. He maybe older and more broken-down, now, but back a few years ago, his whole selling point was his ability to get downfield and catch the long ball. He certainly did that during his good year in Denver.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:05 pm

FredRomero wrote:Apparently Lloyd has some crazy in him too, which is one of the reasons they let him go.

So they floated this without a bunch of stories to back it? Amateurs compared to the Sox.

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:11 pm

Grasspenis wrote:
Rams Fanny wrote:Jake Long signs with the Rams. This is good.
It's 2013 Jake Long, though. If his name were Lake Jong, he'd get about half of what he got here, I'd think.

Average Jake Long is eons above what the Rams had last year. This allows Saffold to move back from LT to his natural RT. I haven't seen many Rams fans expecting all-pro Jake, just consistency on the blind side.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:23 pm

Never been to the site actually.

Am I sad that Welker left? Yes. Am I disappointed that he signed with our most likely opponent for a return to the Super Bowl? Yes.

I also think that there is something behind the scene that was pushing him out the door before he even became a FA, and I am very trustworthy of the Patriot FO and their ability to know what a player's value is and if they are about to trend downwards.

They might not have the best drafting record for WR, but they sure as hell know how valuable a player is for their offense as compared to their value on other teams.

I don't know if Welker is getting gun shy after taking too many hits over the middle, his hands are wearing out from to many catches, or what, but he beginning to drop more passes than he should, especially at big points in games. If you have a chance to replace him with a much younger clone then why wouldn't you?

Grasspenis wrote: Aren't you pretty much judging Amendola entirely from what you are seeing on football-reference?

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:25 pm

There are a few stories about this. I think the crazy combined with the nearly 5 million cap hit is the reason for the cut.

Though if he wasn't due the bonus I think he'd still be on the team.

mister d wrote:
FredRomero wrote:Apparently Lloyd has some crazy in him too, which is one of the reasons they let him go.
So they floated this without a bunch of stories to back it? Amateurs compared to the Sox.