NFL Week 4

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:44 am

I saw this on Twitter last night and thought it was funny:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:38 am

Are there sites that let you look up historical odds information? Like, for instance, when's the last time Oakland was favored on the road?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:38 am

I am tempted to take the Raiders in my survivor pool. Maybe it's because the Browns made them look like the Packers, or that this Bears team is a complete disaster.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:39 am

Pruitt wrote:I am tempted to take the Raiders in my survivor pool. Maybe it's because the Browns made them look like the Packers, or that this Bears team is a complete disaster.

I lost Big Ben last week and picked up Derek Carr, so the Raiders are destined to score 9 on field goals alone.

However this still might be enough to beat the Bears.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:41 am

Ryan wrote:Are there sites that let you look up historical odds information? Like, for instance, when's the last time Oakland was favored on the road?

A Raiders blog reports that the last time was September 2012 - and they lost 35-13.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:14 am

Pruitt wrote:
Ryan wrote:Are there sites that let you look up historical odds information? Like, for instance, when's the last time Oakland was favored on the road?
A Raiders blog reports that the last time was September 2012 - and they lost 35-13.

A handful of Bears' beat reporters have tweeted this out earlier in the week. Miami was the opponent in that 2012 game, opened at OAK -1, went up to OAK -2.5 for a couple days, then back down to -1 (the site I found that info at tracks betting line movement, not your specific question, Ryan).

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:28 am

Take it from the guy who won the Swamp Survivor pool this year: picking a road team is an unnecessary risk.

Indy hosting the Jags, Chargers hosting the McCowns, or Arizona hosting the STL are much less risky.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:01 pm

St. Louis' defence is still a bit scary for me.

And after watching the Browns look Brown last week, I really should take the Chargers. And picking against the Jags is usually a gift, but that Colts team is just no good.

I'll wait for Saturday to make the choice.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:58 pm

If you take the consensus picks, you'll never win

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:55 pm

On Mark Davis

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:09 pm

rass wrote:On Mark Davis

Great article. I was just going to post it. This is what results from having Al Davis as a father.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:43 pm

#26 and #84 in black and gold are a lot of fun to watch.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:43 pm

Brown is open on at least 90 percent of pass plays.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:51 pm

A_B wrote:Brown is open on at least 90 percent of pass plays.

Maybe if he stops dropping TDs Vick will throw it to him more(!)

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:18 pm

guuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:22 pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:23 pm

It's true that you're better off being up 3 than 6 late in the game, but Scobee's taking analytics a bit too far there.

Post by **Shirley** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:26 pm

Do they go ahead and put a cardboard box by Scobee's locker now, or wait until tomorrow?

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:42 pm

Got to try and kick for the win.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:51 pm

bfj wrote:Got to try and kick for the win.

Like that.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:55 pm

And if you are gonna go on 4th and 1 - maybe use Le'Veon Bell?

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:55 pm

tennbengal wrote:And if you are gonna go on 4th and 1 - maybe use Le'Veon Bell?

Horrible play call.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:56 pm

Harbaugh and Tomlin making me feel so much better about Marvin Lewis' in-game shenanigans.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:58 pm

tennbengal wrote:Harbaugh and Tomlin making me feel so much better about Marvin Lewis' in-game shenanigans.

That fake fg. I know I'll hear someone try and defend that tomorrow. I may throw something at them.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:01 pm

bfj wrote:
tennbengal wrote:Harbaugh and Tomlin making me feel so much better about Marvin Lewis' in-game shenanigans.

That fake fg. I know I'll hear someone try and defend that tomorrow. I may throw something at them.

I am still amazed and befuddled over that call.

Post by **brian** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:12 pm

That fake FG probably wasn't in the Top 10 of the worst game management decisions in that game. It was like watching two idiots try to play chess.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:24 pm

The 49 yard attempt was stupid, the roll out on 4th down was stupid. Most of the other calls in that game were stupid because they didn't work.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:27 pm

When fake field goals work the coaches are geniuses. Even Belichick was an idiot once because his play didn't work. This is the hindsightiest sport in America.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:16 am

Gunpowder wrote:When fake field goals work the coaches are geniuses. Even Belichick was an idiot once because his play didn't work. This is the hindsightiest sport in America.

Point taken. However, there is no logic (to me) to not closing the gap to a FG when you know these games usually come down to three points anyway.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:19 am

I understand the criticism of the play, sure, but I think the kneejerk "worst coached game ever" stuff I'm reading everywhere is just that. I hated some of the play calling for the Steelers, but that's every game, and I hated the 49 yard attempt and the stupid rollout play. But other than that, Vick's gotta hit one of the last 5 or so throws he had a shot at that would have put the game away.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:49 am

The Steelers were kind of put in a tough spot because Scobee is so bad. If they had a reliable kicker they would've won the game in regulation or on one of their OT drives. I thought the final fourth down failure was really on Vick, not the playcalling. Brown wasn't that open but if the pass is a foot lower, he catches that. And the rollout wasn't a great call but at the same time, I recall the Niners getting a huge TD against the Saints in a postseason game a few years back when they ran that same play with Alex Smith. So, again, hindsight is 20-20. From Baltimore's perspective, the 4th down QB sneak was probably the right call, as Flacco has converted the vast majority of those plays during his career. And I agree on the fake FG that if it works -- and presumably Harbaugh was confident in the play design -- everyone would be praising Harbaugh's decision making.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:59 am

Gunpowder wrote:But other than that, Vick's gotta hit one of the last 5 or so throws he had a shot at that would have put the game away.

Joe K wrote:The Steelers were kind of put in a tough spot because Scobee is so bad. If they had a reliable kicker they would've won the game in regulation or on one of their OT drives. I thought the final fourth down failure was really on Vick, not the playcalling. Brown wasn't that open but if the pass is a foot lower, he catches that. And the rollout wasn't a great call but at the same time, I recall the Niners getting a huge TD against the Saints in a postseason game a few years back when they ran that same play with Alex Smith. So, again, hindsight is 20-20. From Baltimore's perspective, the 4th down QB sneak was probably the right call, as Flacco has converted the vast majority of those plays during his career. And I agree on the fake FG that if it works -- and presumably Harbaugh was confident in the play design -- everyone would be praising Harbaugh's decision making.

I agree with about all of this. Blah.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:03 am

I hated that rollout because there was no pass option. If Nix were looking for a pass they had a shot at that.

I hope they never run it again.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:03 am

There was still a way to win that game even with being handcuffed by Vick and Scobee. On the 3rd down before the 1st missed FG - the slant to Coates on like 3rd and 4. You run the fucking ball there. Even if Bell doesn't get there, Baltimore has to use their last time out. Now when they get the ball back for the game-tying FG, they only have like 20 seconds instead of a whole minute. This is not hindsight. I was apoplectic as it was happening. Tomlin is a fucking idiot.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:46 am

Jerloma wrote:There was still a way to win that game even with being handcuffed by Vick and Scobee. On the 3rd down before the 1st missed FG - the slant to Coates on like 3rd and 4. You run the fucking ball there. Even if Bell doesn't get there, Baltimore has to use their last time out. Now when they get the ball back for the game-tying FG, they only have like 20 seconds instead of a whole minute. This is not hindsight. I was apoplectic as it was happening. Tomlin is a fucking idiot.

You can't blame Tomlin's brain, you have to blame his gut. Because he makes his decisions with his gut. Fuck I hate football announcers. In my head I heard Gruden saying it, I must just chalk shit like that up to Gruden saying. If Gruden were to say it, he'd undoubtedly repeat it 15 times throughout the game.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:15 am

Jerloma wrote:There was still a way to win that game even with being handcuffed by Vick and Scobee. On the 3rd down before the 1st missed FG - the slant to Coates on like 3rd and 4. You run the fucking ball there. Even if Bell doesn't get there, Baltimore has to use their last time out. Now when they get the ball back for the game-tying FG, they only have like 20 seconds instead of a whole minute. This is not hindsight. I was apoplectic as it was happening. Tomlin is a fucking idiot.

I had no problem going for the win there. There is nobody on Earth who was thinking "ok this is the Ravens penultimate drive" after the missed fg.

Post by **brian** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:18 am

The call I probably hated the most is when the Steelers got the ball up 3 there was 2:04 left. So why run the ball on first down? If you try a pass and it's incomplete it's still the two minute warning and the Ravens might not be expecting a pass. I would have thrown the ball there. The only downside is a possible interception, but if you get 10 yards (or even like 8 or 9) you can likely ice the game.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:33 am

brian wrote:The call I probably hated the most is when the Steelers got the ball up 3 there was 2:04 left. So why run the ball on first down? If you try a pass and it's incomplete it's still the two minute warning and the Ravens might not be expecting a pass. I would have thrown the ball there. The only downside is a possible interception, but if you get 10 yards (or even like 8 or 9) you can likely ice the game.

Yup. Or do the rollout there but send passing options and if nothing is wide open, just run. That kind of logic is lost on Tomlin. He doesn't get it. Never has; never will.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 11:40 am

Colts sign Josh Johnson and the Nation cringes.

This Luck injury/non-injury thing man...

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:06 pm