2017 NHL Offseason

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:24 am

degenerasian wrote:
mister d wrote:
brian wrote:There's an argument to be made that the way a couple of teams are handling it (according to VGK's owner anyway) as far as saying we've exposed who we've exposed, take who you want and that's that is the correct way. Certainly it's the safest way.
I think Anaheim and Minnesota, as the deals are currently stated, have gotten off better making deals than they would have otherwise.

ETA: Islanders too
I agree. Why would Vegas make that deal and not just take Dumba for example.

Because Dumba is due for a big ass raise. probably commands 6-7mm AAV on his next deal.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:27 am

BSF21 wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
mister d wrote:
brian wrote:There's an argument to be made that the way a couple of teams are handling it (according to VGK's owner anyway) as far as saying we've exposed who we've exposed, take who you want and that's that is the correct way. Certainly it's the safest way.
I think Anaheim and Minnesota, as the deals are currently stated, have gotten off better making deals than they would have otherwise.

ETA: Islanders too
I agree. Why would Vegas make that deal and not just take Dumba for example.
Because Dumba is due for a big ass raise. probably commands 6-7mm AAV on his next deal.

Also according to Capfriendly, should MN choose to pay Dumba somewhere int he neighborhood of that, they've got nearly 30MM tied up in 5 Dmen

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:27 am

These are the rumors I've heard so far.

Tampa arranges for Vegas to select Garrison
Vegas/Florida deal may involve both Marchessault and Smith ending up in Vegas
Pens send draft pick to ensure Knights pick MAF
Wild trade Tuch, + cond pick for Vegas to select Haula
Vegas claims Stoner from Ducks. Does not pick Manson/Vatanen and gets Theodore

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:51 am

mister d wrote:Marian Hossa is "unable to play" now with chronic itchiness. This is definitely legit and not blatant cap circumvention now that he's on his $1MM seasons.

Does it make sense for the Hawks to do that? He still has value. Do the Hawks get a break from the cap if he sits out the year?

Or are you saying that Hossa is going this now that he's on the "cheap" part of the contract?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:53 am

Islanders is supposedly their first to move off a good list and take either the contract of Kulemin or Grabovski.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:55 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:Does it make sense for the Hawks to do that? He still has value. Do the Hawks get a break from the cap if he sits out the year?

Or are you saying that Hossa is going this now that he's on the "cheap" part of the contract?

All of the above. He's not retiring, he's too "injured" to play, so his cap hit gets wiped over to LTIR.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:22 am

Yes, very convenient for the Blackhawks.

btw, spectorshockey.com is a great site today and the next couple weeks.

EDIT: spectorshockey.net is the site (not com)

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:31 pm

players being told now so there should be more leaks.

Cody Eakin from Dallas is on his way to Vegas

running list?
Vegas has
G Fleury (Pens)
G Lack (Canes)
D Stoner (Ducks)
D Garrison (Bolts)
F Kruger (Hawks)
F Haula (Wild)
F Karlsson or Calvert (Jackets)
F Kulemin or Grabovsky (Islanders)
F Marchessault of Smith (Panthers)

Post by **brian** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:11 pm

Foley (the owner) basically accidentally leaked the Eakin pick from DAL yesterday.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:03 pm

Sounds more and more like Lindberg from NYR which was our worst case scenario.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:52 pm

mister d wrote:
Steve of phpBB wrote:Does it make sense for the Hawks to do that? He still has value. Do the Hawks get a break from the cap if he sits out the year?

Or are you saying that Hossa is going this now that he's on the "cheap" part of the contract?
All of the above. He's not retiring, he's too "injured" to play, so his cap hit gets wiped over to LTIR.

I guess I was under the impression that his cap hit was pretty low - because of the shenanigans with the 99-year contract. So wouldn't the Hawks be better off with him playing and taking the hit?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Schlemko (Sharks)
Engelland (Flames)
Reinhart (Oilers)
Miller (Bruins)

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:11 pm

Schlemko is a surprise to me. He was a good player for the Sharks, but only a #5/6 defenseman and not a kid anymore. Thought they would take his D-partner Brenden Dillon over him (but it's possible the Sharks made a deal with Vegas to protect Dillon).

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:42 pm

I'm surprised Florida let Vegas have both Marchessault and Smith. Two good young offensive players. And McNabb and Sbisa are big and tough defensemen - much like Dillon of the Sharks, which might explain why they went after Schlemko instead, who is more of a skater.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Aw man, they made MAF come out on stage... ugh

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:20 pm

Lots of defensemen. Got to be some trades coming.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:40 am

This team is going to be pretty bad, like 55 points bad but that's pretty smart given their stockpile of draft picks. It's basically a one-year tank try to get the #1 overall pick in 2018 and go from there. Couple or three picks break the right way and once the honeymoon is wearing off in 2019 could start being pretty good.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:28 pm

sancarlos wrote:Lots of defensemen. Got to be some trades coming.

yup Van Reimsdyk to Carolina for a 2nd and Schlemko to Montreal for a 5th

I bet if Vegas picked up Dillon instead, he would've fetched more than a 5th. That's not good asset management from McPhee.

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:18 pm

Schedule is out. Vegas has two seven game home stands. Is that a function of being out west or is that unusually long?

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:22 pm

Rams Fanny wrote:Schedule is out. Vegas has two seven game home stands. Is that a function of being out west or is that unusually long?

Anaheim has two five-game home stands and three four-gamers. Kings have two fives and two fours, Sharks two fives and two sixes. Guessing travel distance out west is a factor for all these teams.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:30 pm

Also has to do with other uses for the arena. For instance, the Sharks always have a long road trip in February that coincides with the hosting of a tennis tournament. Need long home stands to offset long road trips.

Post by **brian** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:39 pm

sancarlos wrote:Also has to do with other uses for the arena. For instance, the Sharks always have a long road trip in February that coincides with the hosting of a tennis tournament. Need long home stands to offset long road trips.

Yeah T-Mobile will be basically unavailable for a week for PAC 12 tournament for starters. I didn't think they had much else occupying it at least for a long-ish period.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:54 pm

sancarlos wrote:Also has to do with other uses for the arena. For instance, the Sharks always have a long road trip in February that coincides with the hosting of a tennis tournament. Need long home stands to offset long road trips.

Same for Chicago and the circus trip.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:20 am

Coyotes fired long time coach Dave Tippett yesterday He was about to start the 2nd of a 5 year contract as head coach and VP hockey ops.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:24 am

degenerasian wrote:Coyotes fired long time coach Dave Tippett yesterday He was about to start the 2nd of a 5 year contract as head coach and VP hockey ops.

What is going on in the desert?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:26 am

they have a young advanced stats GM. Maybe they're just put a computer in a suit behind the bench.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:39 am

There are some Stepan/Raanta to Arizona rumors that could either look very good for us or very horrific for us. Should be "fun".

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:11 am

Oooo its goin' down now in Chicago.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:32 am

The types of moves you making after scoring 3 goals during a 4 game sweep.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:40 am

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:12 pm

I know there's more trades coming and all that, but trading Stepan for a draft pick and a Trump supporting seeming-piece-of-garbage prospect isn't the start I was hoping for.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:15 pm

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:16 pm

mister d wrote:...a Trump supporting seeming-piece-of-garbage prospect...

Ha! He seems great. Congrats!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:36 pm

Caps fans pretty bummed to lose Nate Schmidt. Dude is going to be very good.

Most surprised they didn't take Grubaeur.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:37 pm

I can't even hold out hope that he's part of the followup trade(s) because he's a RHD. Somehow feels like maybe I deserved this, just a little bit.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:57 pm

mister d wrote:I can't even hold out hope that he's part of the followup trade(s) because he's a RHD. Somehow feels like maybe I deserved this, just a little bit.

#MAGA #japanesewhores

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:11 pm

mister d wrote:I know there's more trades coming and all that, but trading Stepan for a draft pick and a Trump supporting seeming-piece-of-garbage prospect isn't the start I was hoping for.

There may be more coming for the Rangers, D. You just cleared a fair bit of cap space. And, despite being what looks to be a very unlikeable person, DeAngelo looks like a great pickup from a hockey perspective. Young, cheap, offensively-gifted defensemen don't grow on trees. Plus an early #1.

Chicago is more of a head-scratcher for me. What does Saad bring that isn't similar (but arguably worse) than Panerin? They are both young, both have high cap hits and I think Panerin is the better player. And giving Hjalmerstrom to the Coyotes right after you lost Van Rymsdyk?

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:03 pm

sancarlos wrote:
mister d wrote:I know there's more trades coming and all that, but trading Stepan for a draft pick and a Trump supporting seeming-piece-of-garbage prospect isn't the start I was hoping for.
There may be more coming for the Rangers, D. You just cleared a fair bit of cap space. And, despite being what looks to be a very unlikeable person, DeAngelo looks like a great pickup from a hockey perspective. Young, cheap, offensively-gifted defensemen don't grow on trees. Plus an early #1.

Chicago is more of a head-scratcher for me. What does Saad bring that isn't similar (but arguably worse) than Panerin? They are both young, both have high cap hits and I think Panerin is the better player. And giving Hjalmerstrom to the Coyotes right after you lost Van Rymsdyk?

2 more years at 6 million when Panarin is due to probably make 8.5-9 on his next deal is the only way I can see it benefiting them at all. It's not bad, it's just lateral.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:21 pm

sancarlos wrote:There may be more coming for the Rangers, D. You just cleared a fair bit of cap space. And, despite being what looks to be a very unlikeable person, DeAngelo looks like a great pickup from a hockey perspective. Young, cheap, offensively-gifted defensemen don't grow on trees. Plus an early #1.

Also cleared the 1C space which isn't exactly easy to fill. Best case scenario is using DeAngelo and a high pick to upgrade at RHD but I'm not confident that's the plan.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:27 pm

Now we're trying to get into the top 3. What a weird fucking day.