The Swamp

Shirley wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:09 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:47 am

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:35 am Xavier (!) mentioned too. That one surprises me. I guess nothing should surprise me.

A takeaway for me is that any program, regardless of size and history, likely has these issues if it has pro prospects (and not just future lottery picks) on its roster. Miller was apparently paying Fred Van Vleet when he was at Wichita State, and he's only like the 9th man on the Raptors. I was also impressed that Miller was apparently giving money or benefits to Malcolm Brogdon. Brogdon was a good player at UVA, but has been a much better pro than anyone expected. That's some nice scouting by Miller. (I guess there's a reason NBA teams have started hiring agents to run their front offices.)

It looks like the agent had dinner with Brogdon's mom in March, 2016. Brogdon was a fifth-year senior at the time already playing in the NCAA Tournament. Hard to really claim that as a benefit to his college career. It was a $64 dinner. Brogdon's mom is a college professor, while his dad is a lawyer. I'm pretty sure a single $64 dinner wasn't any sort of incentive to modify anyone's behavior.

Rex wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:36 am That sounds like death penalty to me.

Rex wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:28 am Virginia's Pomeroy ratings for 2016 should be taken down.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:15 am(As an aside, I sat one table over from Thamel at a bar in Boston about 5 years ago and he actually had his buddy pull out a copy of Sports Illustrated to show a woman an article Thamel had written. It didn’t work.)

Joe K wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:34 am Yeah, but Miller got a good price on Ayton. $100K seems like a bargain for a Wooden Award caliber player who may be a top-3 draft pick.

If Miller is fired for cause, his contract is written in such a way that he would still receive more than 85 percent of the money he is owed through May 31, 2022.

Miller's contract provides that even if he is fired with cause, the university would have to pay his base salary. The contract defines his base salary as his salary plus his peripheral salary. That adds up to roughly $10.3 million through May 2022. The only part that Miller wouldn't be entitled to is $1.7 million from Nike and IMG that is due to him if he completes his contract.

Keeping such a percentage on a firing for cause would be unprecedented. Most coaches who are fired for cause receive no additional money past their employment date. But the contract has no provision that waives the university's obligation to pay Miller what is owed based on an NCAA violation. The contract makes no mention of the university's recourse if criminality is involved.

The contract also provides that if Miller commits an NCAA violation, he would have to pay up to $300,000 in damages to the university's coffers for the price of defending itself. If an NCAA violation occurs, Arizona has the right to claw back bonuses given to Miller during the time of the violation.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:45 pm Did Luca Brasí negotiate that deal? Nice work if you can get it.

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:36 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:45 pm Did Luca Brasí negotiate that deal? Nice work if you can get it.

It's almost like he got it structured that way so that he need not worry about a show-cause penalty for something he was doing.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:55 pm This Mark Titus piece in the Ringer is excellent:

https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/27/170 ... ean-miller

Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:07 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:55 pm This Mark Titus piece in the Ringer is excellent:

https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/27/170 ... ean-miller

Agreed. That does a good job organizing some of the thoughts I've had about these reports.

I will say that, with the Sean Miller wiretaps, I'm actually surprised ESPN went with that story. I mean, I don't expect ESPN to be any bastion of journalistic morality, but they're pretty heavily invested in college basketball. And their coverage of college basketball has always been heavily slanted toward the big programs like Arizona. Whey would they want to burn Arizona based on somebody's description of wiretap transcripts that ESPN hasn't actually seen? That just doesn't make sense to me.

Shirley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:07 pmAnd their coverage of college basketball has always been heavily slanted toward the big programs like Arizona.

testuser2 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:53 am Is there an article that researched the names on the spreadsheet and shows which ones go beyond acceptable agent behavior? For example the only name I really know on that list is DJ Newbill and based on the timing it looks like he was loaned $2K to get his pro career started in Europe? I don't follow basketball closely enough to know if the list is comprised mostly of those valid cases or if it's mostly payoffs.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:12 am What's the possible logic of a $6K loan to $12MM per season Kyle Lowry?

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 am

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:12 am What's the possible logic of a $6K loan to $12MM per season Kyle Lowry?

to try to get him to sign with your agency to get a cut of the 12 million?

wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:01 pm Okay so I know we don't cover too much DIII hoops but for the first time in school history we have a team dancing. They have had a team for 85 years and are heading to York college. Yes Yeshiva Maccabees won the Skyline Conference and play Friday 1PM (had to move the game from Saturday at 1 and work practice around Purim which kicks off tonight).

http://abc7ny.com/sports/yeshiva-univer ... e/3149707/

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:15 pm

A_B wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:32 am

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:12 am What's the possible logic of a $6K loan to $12MM per season Kyle Lowry?

to try to get him to sign with your agency to get a cut of the 12 million?

$6K?

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:01 pm This was a 12-31-15 balance sheet saying there was still a $6K loan outstanding. I totally get the pre-draft or college stuff or if it was a guy who never made it, but there's no reason to be carrying a Lowry loan at that stage. Its weird on some level.

mister d wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:01 pm This was a 12-31-15 balance sheet saying there was still a $6K loan outstanding. I totally get the pre-draft or college stuff or if it was a guy who never made it, but there's no reason to be carrying a Lowry loan at that stage. Its weird on some level.

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:16 pm I never thought I'd leave Ken Pomeroy, but I have a new love.

http://barttorvik.com/

He's got pretty much everything Pomeroy has, and so much more. I've always wanted Ken to put trend data on his site so I could see how a team's changed over the season, but he never did it. Bart Torvik has it and it's awesome.

Oh, and it's free. Check it out.

Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:48 pm Yeah, I agree with that. However, Ken has essentially stopped adding new features to his site. I can't remember the last one I actually cared about. This guy has a LOT of things Ken doesn't. Pomeroy has also stopped adding to his blog. He instead posts behind a paywall at The Athletic.

And Ken didn't invent the kind of stats he publishes. He just popularized them.

That said, I'd probably be a bit angry too, especially since this guy's giving it away. Honestly, I'm not sure I'll pay for kenpom.com next year with this one available. I'm guessing I'm not the only one. This will cost Ken some money unless he reinvests in his site to make it worthwhile again.