The Swamp

Johnnie wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:20 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:52 pm It's the height of cynicism, but it's absolutely part of his "strategy" to attempt to normalize things that are immoral, illegal, impeachable, etc. by simply talking about them out loud at press conferences, rallies, interviews, etc.

Guess we need to remind people "shocked" by his comments this morning that the guy very publicly asked Russia to hack the DNC and Hillary campaign email servers in July 2016.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:40 pm It's very clearly his pattern. Think about almost everything he says... "Who knew it would be so hard to... [fill in thing everyone knew was difficult to accomplish here]"


Fuck you, here's an ongoing ticker of how much the American taxpayer is funneling into Trump, Inc on just travel alone. It's already way into the tens of millions.

Why aren't they pushing that? Very frustrating.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:58 pmAnd people don't need an executive summary, glossary, and multiple charts linking dozens of players together to get you there. It's one sentence. Done.

Trump is running through some of his talking points about Democrats and healthcare. The majority of Democrats running for president – according to Trump – will “slash Medicare” to “pay for socialism”.

Oh, and Democrats would also drain Medicare to pay for “open borders”, Trump says.

Trump is now mis-characterizing the idea of universal healthcare. He goes on to call Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas”, which is a racist slur, and riffs briefly about “Sleepy Joe”.

“Democrat lawmakers only want to wreck and destroy all the things we’ve built up over the last three years,” Trump says.

If a Democrat gets in, “the country is gonna go to hell”, Trump says.

Then he brings up Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:06 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:58 pmAnd people don't need an executive summary, glossary, and multiple charts linking dozens of players together to get you there. It's one sentence. Done.

The "ironic" part is this seems to stem from the one time the Trump admin didn't do exactly what you're saying. Instead of publicly asking "how did Joe Biden's coked up son get a $600K no-show board position" and let that start a fire, they attempted a deeper dig.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:58 pm Your last sentence is actually a huge problem that the Dems need to solve. And what has been proven over the last 2 weeks is this:

Keep it Simple, Stupid.

Unfortunately, in this time of Idiocracy, you can't throw a Meuller report out into the world and have it resonate. But, you can say:

Trump calls foreign leader, asks them to investigate his chief political opponent. That's wicked bad.

And people don't need an executive summary, glossary, and multiple charts linking dozens of players together to get you there. It's one sentence. Done.

Which is why when it comes to all the other stuff, simply stating that whenever Trump travels, it costs millions of dollars -- and he is funneling all of that straight into his own pocketbook.

The durr hurr crowd is going to say something like "Brilliant Business Acumen*" But most of the rest of America is going to see that as a grift. It's shady as fuck.

You don't need to list all the foreign dignitaries staying at his property, or try to pull in the other scandals of his many fraudulent cabinet secretaries or anything else. Just hang this around his neck and hammer him on it.

* - I doubt they would use this word.

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:01 am How is that dude any different than the tens of millions Trump dead-enders literally everyone on this board and in the world has acknowledged the existence of at every step in this guy's political career? Those were never the people anyone was trying to convince.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:05 am

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:01 am How is that dude any different than the tens of millions Trump dead-enders literally everyone on this board and in the world has acknowledged the existence of at every step in this guy's political career? Those were never the people anyone was trying to convince.

That dude is different as he has the self awareness to know it's about blindly supporting your team because doing otherwise means admitting his entire identity was based on falling for a con artist and a fraud. The cognitive dissonance is too great for most people to admit after 2 years of backing Trump. And for that reason, I'd guess the poster isn't really a Trump supporter, but making the point.

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:22 am This whole issue is a big part of why I think it sucks that the US is a strict two-party system instead of a Democracy or Parliamentary system with more than two viable parties. When there are only two parties, it is about winning and losing, as that system leads to a strongly ingrained tribalism that is hardly limited to Trump supporters. Virtually everyone on this board would support a sleazy Dem over an ethical Republican (see: Clinton, Bill), and that support would be completely rational. And I doubt that foreign election interference would be a dealbreaker for any of us if it benefited the party we identify with. As a thought experiment, would anyone here really be upset if a country that hates Trump hacked his accountants in October 2020, and released all of his tax returns? Blind loyalty is maddening when it’s devoted to someone as deranged as Trump. But at the same time, that type of tribalistic loyalty is an almost unavoidable consequence of a two-party system.

mister d wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:34 am Yeah, I'd support a far left candidate who did horrible things, but because of ideology. The Trump stuff is weird/scary because its fully a cult of personality. These people would advocate bombing the ports of North Carolina if this weekend Trump says we need to bomb the ports of North Carolina because Jamaicans are flooding in to attack our child care centers. Some are brainwashed and would believe it, maybe, but most would do it because not doing so is a concession to the libz.

The belated attempt to get rid of this fucker may or may not succeed. Either way, things are going to get ugly. The most immediate concern is: When does the violent phase begin in earnest? And how far does it go? The President of the United States is, right now, yelling about a “coup.” That’s fucking dangerous. That’s not something to play with. The president, who is quite open about the fact that he would love nothing more than to be a dictator, is held back by only the thinnest veneer of our vaunted rule of of law, which is exposed to a greater and greater degree every day as a farce. Though we constantly act surprised by Trump’s actions, none of it should be surprising any more. He is acting the way that countless aspiring dictators and strongmen and two-bit gangsters desperate for one big score have acted throughout history. This movie has played itself out over and over for hundreds and thousands of years. It doesn’t have a happy ending. By the time you get to the part where the corrupt leaders is telling his rabid followers that the political opponents trying to investigate him for his blatant corruption are staging a “coup,” you are right on the edge of chaos. The last few years of constant, half-ridiculous uproars may have lulled us to sleep a little bit. I don’t think people grasp how precarious our situation is right now. The script has unfolded all the way up to the point where the angry people start lashing out and everything slides into the fire.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:37 pm If he dies or resigns, it’s going to be like the night our boys put bullets in Bin Laden’s face.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:10 pm It only took 15 years to exorcise those demons, Pru.

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:39 pm Let’s all commit to get absolutely ripshit fucked up the day/night Trump resigns (if he does of course).

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:09 am

brian wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:39 pm Let’s all commit to get absolutely ripshit fucked up the day/night Trump resigns (if he does of course).

And how much do we drink when Pence is sworn in?

brian wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:32 am Big scoop in the WaPo this morning that the whistleblower's lawyer now represents "multiple clients".

The rats are deserting the sinking ship.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:04 am

brian wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:32 am Big scoop in the WaPo this morning that the whistleblower's lawyer now represents "multiple clients".

The rats are deserting the sinking ship.

Loving it.

Also, when I watch clips like this I cannot help but think if I were in Chuck Todd's position I'd be going batshit insane sweating and calling bullshit over and over. (I also have a short fuse and immediate trigger to being cut off hallway through a sentence. I flip my shit. I'd be yanked off TV so fast.)