Roe v Wade

[mister d]

Brian, would it help if you thought of the Dems as the red wings and the people able to challenge the republicans as the golden knights?

[EnochRoot]

Strap bombs to your chests or else you're fucking cowards.

I'm actually not being intentionally obtuse or defensive. I really don't know what that means.

I know you don't. That's what makes you a progressive.

[Johnnie]

Guys, we need to literally kill ourselves or else we aren't progressive enough.

Ya know, I keep voting blue. And blue keeps letting me down. I just need to keep voting blue and not criticize when blue lets me down. I better not say a bad word about blue because then I'm the problem. Even when I vote blue. Still my fault though.

I know most on this board aren't old enough to be boomers, but the way progressive minded folks on here get chastised for criticizing blue you'd think you were arguing with boomers.

It's sad. Let me go get my suicide vest so I don't have to deal with it anymore.

[Jerloma]

Guys, we need to literally kill ourselves or else we aren't progressive enough.

Ya know, I keep voting blue. And blue keeps letting me down. I just need to keep voting blue and not criticize when blue lets me down. I better not say a bad word about blue because then I'm the problem. Even when I vote blue. Still my fault though.

I know most on this board aren't old enough to be boomers, but the way progressive minded folks on here get chastised for criticizing blue you'd think you were arguing with boomers.

It's sad. Let me go get my suicide vest so I don't have to deal with it anymore.

In a video game.

[sancarlos]

Let’s not fight each other, eh? Swampers are not the problem.

On the other hand…

[Jerloma]

Nah, I kind of want to fight, now. Johnnie got me all fired up.

[Johnnie]

Nah, I kind of want to fight, now. Johnnie got me all fired up.

Maybe you should take out your aggression on the BALLOT BOX, PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL.

[mister d]

The idea that fighting is bad is a problem in and of itself. The best version of this “opposition” party should be constantly fighting simply to avoid the stagnancy we see now.

[EnochRoot]

Vote like an adult, which means do it more than you feel like it.

[EnochRoot]

delete

[Ryan]

Luckily half the districts in the country are shaped like the letters V, O, T, or E, so it's super easy to find out where to go

[The Sybian]

The idea that fighting is bad is a problem in and of itself. The best version of this “opposition” party should be constantly fighting simply to avoid the stagnancy we see now.

What amazes me is the GOP's ability not to fight each other. I'm sure a huge number of intelligent Republicans hate Trump and his rabid fans, but they let all of the ass-hattery go on for 5 years because they know its the only way they can win election. What pisses me off the most about the Dobb's decision (other than women losing bodily autonomy) is the Conservatives who held their nose and tolerated Trump while having the same view of him as us, stood by and said nothing because they knew Trump would put whoever they wanted on the Federal bench. Not just the Supreme Court, but all the 245 judges he appointed. They let all of his crimes and horrendous leadership bring us the brink of losing our democracy (I'm still not sure we pull out of this) to get their judges, and now it's all paying off. Roe signaled the Supreme Court holds no integrity in following precedence and will radically strip long standing Rights without adequate legal justification. McConnell and the rest of the Conservatives won. They played dirty and cheated, and they won.

What's the over/under on Trump-related abortions? Between Donald, Jr and Eric, we have to be pushing triple digits, right? Throw in two or three for Ivanka. And Jared..., no, definitely not. He was a virgin when he married Ivanka and no chance anyone else fucked him.

[mister d]

When you don't have core beliefs or your core beliefs are simply what's best for you / worst for the people you hate, its a lot easier to stick together.

[degenerasian]

When you don't have core beliefs or your core beliefs are simply what's best for you / worst for the people you hate, its a lot easier to stick together.

Yes.

And it's easier to fight to keep the status quo than the fight for change. It's easy to develop strawman arguments that the boogyman (government) is coming to get you. Democrats are a bit too big tent, wanting equality for A,B,C,D... X,Y,Z that sometimes don't even jive with each other. They want what's best for everyone, which is great, but also very difficult and sometimes not realistic.

Conservatives only care about their one core issue and fuck the rest, leave me alone. If Trump winning can get me to keep my guns while the scary Democrats will take them away, I don't care if Trump rapes teenagers.

The 4 GOP pillars

Guns
Religion
Immigration
Taxes

[mister d]

They want what's best for everyone, which is great, but also very difficult and sometimes not realistic.

I don't think this is true at all. If you subtract out doing the bidding of the corporations that fund them, what are the major "if we help this group we upset this other group" conflicts? Not little carve-outs like anti-abortion Dems, but serious interest group versus interest group issues that can't be resolved without one side losing?

[degenerasian]

They want what's best for everyone, which is great, but also very difficult and sometimes not realistic.

I don't think this is true at all. If you subtract out doing the bidding of the corporations that fund them, what are the major "if we help this group we upset this other group" conflicts? Not little carve-outs like anti-abortion Dems, but serious interest group versus interest group issues that can't be resolved without one side losing?

One that comes to mind is religious (Christian) blacks. Are they not against abortion and gay marriage?
Another is immigration. Immigrants that are here don't want more immigrants coming. Democrat sometimes frame things as a white versus non-white issue but the racism within races is a huge problem.

[The Sybian]

When you don't have core beliefs or your core beliefs are simply what's best for you / worst for the people you hate, its a lot easier to stick together.

I also feel like rolling back the "Radical Liberal" Courts of the 60s - 70s has been such a prolonged long game, that those caught up in it are blindly driven to "win" and overturn all of the laws and precedence without any thought of consequences or anything else other than "winning." I doubt many people know the full extent of this movement, but entire universities were created to drive this movement (I didn't get a chance to read the Bob Jones University article posted a couple of days ago), Liberty University being the most successful, and the Federalist Society among many other groups. They planned on training college and law school students to create an army of lawyers and politicians who could change the system from within. I was freaking out during W. Bush's second term, as the DOJ began a policy of only hiring attorneys who fit the strict religious/ideological beliefs, mainly Dominion Christians who want to enforce Jesus-Sharia Law and work to create the "End of Days" to bring back Jesus. The DOJ traditionally hires almost exclusively from top tier law schools, or occasionally government attorneys who prove their mettle on the job in "lesser" Agencies and earn a job in DOJ. Suddenly, they were hiring from Liberty University Law School and non-accredited RW Christian schools. It was insane.

There were also a lot of members of Congress brought up in this system, Michelle Bachmann was a standout. The Reagan administration was loaded with these people at every level. Antonin Scalia was one of the first students of this movement to achieve prominence. Now, all 6 Conservative Justices are Federalist Society members, and I'm extremely concerned about where the Court goes from here. I won't rant on much more, as I know I've gone on this rant before, but it's incredibly important and gets very little attention. My law school roommate heard a speaker from the Federalist Society and was wrapped up in their States Rights bullshit, but I think it's similar to Scientology, where they start you off with some stuff that can logically make sense, then once they have their hooks in you, they unleash the million year old alien ghosts that died in a nuclear war on a distant planet and live inside humans. These people's beliefs are backed by a strong Christian faith, and they will twist logic in inconceivable ways to make laws that fit their extreme views. Now that they have 6 Justices and shown a willingness to not even pretend to make their Opinions fit within the constructs of law or logic, all bets are off. They can do anything.

Side note, I was able to provide my roommate with some articles I'd previously read about the history and purpose of the Federalist Society and backed away quickly.

[The Sybian]

When you don't have core beliefs or your core beliefs are simply what's best for you / worst for the people you hate, its a lot easier to stick together.

Yes.

And it's easier to fight to keep the status quo than the fight for change. It's easy to develop strawman arguments that the boogyman (government) is coming to get you. Democrats are a bit too big tent, wanting equality for A,B,C,D... X,Y,Z that sometimes don't even jive with each other. They want what's best for everyone, which is great, but also very difficult and sometimes not realistic.

Conservatives only care about their one core issue and fuck the rest, leave me alone. If Trump winning can get me to keep my guns while the scary Democrats will take them away, I don't care if Trump rapes teenagers.

The 4 GOP pillars

Guns
Religion
Immigration
Taxes

All good points. And for all the attacks I'm seeing on Biden for not codifying Roe, I'm confident Biden is personally pro-Life but downplays that to stay in good graces with the party. Biden used to be vocally pro-Life and is a very devout Catholic. I think we can blame the Party for pushing a nominee that doesn't hold the values of the overwhelming majority of the Party. I think it's incredibly problematic that the power brokers within the Party are more driven by upholding the power of the Party Establishment over actually accomplishing goals. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dem Establishment is secretly happy with Dobb's as it energizes donations and Dem voters. On the flip side, I worry that if the Progressives take over the Dem Party, they will go too hard too fast, and turn a lot of centrist Dems to vote Republican. There has to be a balance of getting some of what you want to keep the centrists, versus going for everything and winding up with Trump and the current Court. I think what ultimately SHOULD happen but won't, is the Progressives becoming a separate party, and the sane Republicans breaking off from the crazy MAGA crew and creating a 4 party system, where the Progressives and Dems sometimes unite on issues, and the Dems and Republicans sometimes unite for what should be bipartisan laws.

[mister d]

One that comes to mind is religious (Christian) blacks. Are they not against abortion and gay marriage?

Eh, I don't see them as a core group beyond the assumption that all black people do/should vote democrat. They shouldn't be catered to or accommodated any more than a racist gay organization would be.

[Jerloma]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

[Johnnie]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

[The Sybian]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

[Johnnie]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

Democrats just don't give a fuck about their constituents. They just don't fucking care.

Republicans can still wield power from their minority position. So fucking frustrating and pathetic.

It's shit like this that makes me think that Democrats could have 70 seats in the Senate and still couldn't get fuckall done.

[Jerloma]

Feckless cunts.

[The Sybian]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

Democrats just don't give a fuck about their constituents. They just don't fucking care.

Republicans can still wield power from their minority position. So fucking frustrating and pathetic.

The problem is the Republicans have no problem blocking laws that help everyone to score points by hurting Biden, and they know the Dems wouldn't do the same thing to hurt a Republican President. If Trump as in office and a Bill came up that would prevent price gouging, the Dems would never refuse to vote for it to pin high gas prices on Trump. Its impossible to play politics when one said is willing to act in bad faith to hurt their own. Hell, it's a plus for them, so they can say "see, Government doesn't work."

[Jerloma]

Biden still trusting Mitch at this point might be worse than all of Susan Collins' idiocy because at least she's a Republican and can expected to be held to lower moral standard. Right, guys? Right?

[The Sybian]

Feckless cunts.

The Dems can't run Biden in 2024. End of story. And Kamala cannot be the replacement.

[Johnnie]

Feckless cunts.

The Dems can't run Biden in 2024. End of story. And Kamala cannot be the replacement.

But guess what they're gunna do!

[Jerloma]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

Democrats just don't give a fuck about their constituents. They just don't fucking care.

Republicans can still wield power from their minority position. So fucking frustrating and pathetic.

The problem is the Republicans have no problem blocking laws that help everyone to score points by hurting Biden, and they know the Dems wouldn't do the same thing to hurt a Republican President. If Trump as in office and a Bill came up that would prevent price gouging, the Dems would never refuse to vote for it to pin high gas prices on Trump. Its impossible to play politics when one said is willing to act in bad faith to hurt their own. Hell, it's a plus for them, so they can say "see, Government doesn't work."

Exactly. Dems are too busy fighting progressives to worry about the fucking coming of Gilead.

[Jerloma]

Feckless cunts.

The Dems can't run Biden in 2024. End of story. And Kamala cannot be the replacement.

Nightmare fuel. All of it.

[Johnnie]

[brian]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

Democrats just don't give a fuck about their constituents. They just don't fucking care.

Republicans can still wield power from their minority position. So fucking frustrating and pathetic.

The problem is the Republicans have no problem blocking laws that help everyone to score points by hurting Biden, and they know the Dems wouldn't do the same thing to hurt a Republican President. If Trump as in office and a Bill came up that would prevent price gouging, the Dems would never refuse to vote for it to pin high gas prices on Trump. Its impossible to play politics when one said is willing to act in bad faith to hurt their own. Hell, it's a plus for them, so they can say "see, Government doesn't work."

I refuse to believe the answer to that is “hurt normal people like the Republicans do” though.

[Jerloma]

Nothing to see here, you guys.

"reportedly in exchange for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) “agreeing not to hold up future federal nominations by the Biden White House,”

Democrats are fucking punk bitches that I have to vote for AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

Somebody needs to show Biden a clip of Charlie Brown kicking a football and Lucy pulling it away. Mitch will break this promise, guaranteed. Or get his judge and make another demand before approving another judge.

Democrats just don't give a fuck about their constituents. They just don't fucking care.

Republicans can still wield power from their minority position. So fucking frustrating and pathetic.

The problem is the Republicans have no problem blocking laws that help everyone to score points by hurting Biden, and they know the Dems wouldn't do the same thing to hurt a Republican President. If Trump as in office and a Bill came up that would prevent price gouging, the Dems would never refuse to vote for it to pin high gas prices on Trump. Its impossible to play politics when one said is willing to act in bad faith to hurt their own. Hell, it's a plus for them, so they can say "see, Government doesn't work."

I refuse to believe the answer to that is “hurt normal people like the Republicans do” though.

No, they're more like the guy that just stands there and watches all indignantly and superior while you're literally kicking a puppy in the head.

[Jerloma]

And then promptly turn around and kick the people who think education should be affordable in the head.

[mister d]

Am I allowed to point out the Dems “hurt normal people” all the time, but it’s omission rather than commission?

[degenerasian]

By being afraid to hurt someone they are hurting everyone as everyone gets nothing.

[DSafetyGuy]

The good news is it looks like we won't have to worry about voting harder in the next couple years.

[mister d]

Mmmhmm ...

[Jerloma]

"What could we have done?"

[Jerloma]

What are they going to do, though. Storm Congress?

Please tell me this was an actual, non-ironic, pre-coup attempt, Swamp post.