NFL 2022 week 17 - Wentz the Carr crashes into the Bridge(water)

[tennbengal]

Guessing this is movement toward the teams canceling it (as it should be)

[EnochRoot]

Of fucking course.

He appears to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. I mean, he sort of looks like Two-Face in Batman, no?

[wlu_lax6]

A buddy of mine shared some info from a cardiologist who posts on Sons of Sam Horn:

A cardiologist on SOSH just posted this: A blow to the chest can cause sudden, cardiac death. It’s called commotio cordis. Essentially, the trauma causes a brief electrical spike. If it happens during a particular point of the cardiac cycle, it can stop the heart immediately. It is much much more common in young children due to the increased compliance of the chest wall. Most cases that I’ve ever heard of occur with a strike to the sternum, usually a punch or a ball – like in baseball or lacrosse.
It’s extremely rare. Only about 10 to 20 cases a year are reported. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case in anyone over the age of 20 years of age. Every case I’ve heard of, or attended to, involved baseball. I would think shoulder pads would prevent the anterior chest from this type of injury. Resuscitation was historically, dismal, but that is improved with better recognition. There is some speculation that certain individuals are more predisposed given a possible long QT syndrome. The variables that are necessary for this to occur, include the velocity and timing of the incident. Without going into the specifics of the cardiac electrical cycle and repolarization, the most common underlying dysrhythmias include long QT syndrome, and a condition called Brugada syndrome.

A blow to the chest does transmit electrical activity through the chest wall into the heart. Whenever I’m at the bedside and a patient’s heart stops the quickest way I have to get it restarted is a thump, essentially a punch into the chest of the patient. It is thought that a normal punch to the chest confers, approximately 2-5 J of energy.

Lacrosse has the highest rate of death from this
https://www.momsteam.com/sports/risk-su ... sse-hockey
2 years ago goalies had to get new chest protectors that added protection from this
Last year all field player had to get new chest protectors with added protection.

Kid in this video is going to play at Maryland.

[tennbengal]

It’s clearly not going to resume. Hopefully they don’t ask them play it tomorrow night. Just call it a tie and deal with the fallout.

[degenerasian]

Yeah pretty sure both teams would accept a tie.

[EnochRoot]

It’s clearly not going to resume. Hopefully they don’t. Ask them play it tomorrow night. Just call it a tie and deal with the fallout.

That would depend entirely on Hamlin's condition. Otherwise the safest bet is to cancel the game outright, or give them a draw. Let 'em go home to their families. These guys can't play football with this hovering over their heads. It's unsafe for everyone.

[tennbengal]

It’s clearly not going to resume. Hopefully they don’t. Ask them play it tomorrow night. Just call it a tie and deal with the fallout.

That would depend entirely on Hamlin's condition. Otherwise the safest bet is to cancel the game outright, or give them a draw. Let 'em go home to their families. These guys can't play football with this hovering over their heads. It's unsafe for everyone.

Stupid phone - yes - don’t resume it was what I meant - call it a tie and it is what it is.

[EnochRoot]

A buddy of mine shared some info from a cardiologist who posts on Sons of Sam Horn:

A cardiologist on SOSH just posted this: A blow to the chest can cause sudden, cardiac death. It’s called commotio cordis. Essentially, the trauma causes a brief electrical spike. If it happens during a particular point of the cardiac cycle, it can stop the heart immediately. It is much much more common in young children due to the increased compliance of the chest wall. Most cases that I’ve ever heard of occur with a strike to the sternum, usually a punch or a ball – like in baseball or lacrosse.
It’s extremely rare. Only about 10 to 20 cases a year are reported. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case in anyone over the age of 20 years of age. Every case I’ve heard of, or attended to, involved baseball. I would think shoulder pads would prevent the anterior chest from this type of injury. Resuscitation was historically, dismal, but that is improved with better recognition. There is some speculation that certain individuals are more predisposed given a possible long QT syndrome. The variables that are necessary for this to occur, include the velocity and timing of the incident. Without going into the specifics of the cardiac electrical cycle and repolarization, the most common underlying dysrhythmias include long QT syndrome, and a condition called Brugada syndrome.

A blow to the chest does transmit electrical activity through the chest wall into the heart. Whenever I’m at the bedside and a patient’s heart stops the quickest way I have to get it restarted is a thump, essentially a punch into the chest of the patient. It is thought that a normal punch to the chest confers, approximately 2-5 J of energy.

Lacrosse has the highest rate of death from this
https://www.momsteam.com/sports/risk-su ... sse-hockey
2 years ago goalies had to get new chest protectors that added protection from this
Last year all field player had to get new chest protectors with added protection.

Kid in this video is going to play at Maryland.

That's crazy. I'd click another emoji but it never feels genuine enough when I'm really feeling an emotion other than confusion or laughter.

[Johnnie]

Game called. Thankfully.

Shouldn't have taken this long though.

[tennbengal]

[tennbengal]

Seriously, sounds like the nfl initially pushed to get it going again and the coaches stopped it. Good on them.

[tennbengal]

[DaveInSeattle]

Of fucking course.

Won't post the links....but lots of the usual MAGA/Anti-Vaxxer dipshits are saying "See what happens when you get the vaccine?".

Dumbass motherfuckers...

[Johnnie]

I see that and I'm like, "Who's this guy?"

His follow up tweet -"Source is me - His friend and marketing rep."

So this is good news.

[EnochRoot]

Ryan Clark is must-see TV right now.

[tennbengal]

Ryan Clark is must-see TV right now.

So glad he and Van Pelt were up tonight.

[L-Jam3]

Ryan Clark just said something that floored me: “At 24 I didn’t even know that I could die.”

[EnochRoot]

[Johnnie]

That was 40 minutes ago. It's now at $878k.

[The Sybian]

That was 40 minutes ago. It's now at $878k.

Great, just in time for Christm… oh.

[Johnnie]

That was 40 minutes ago. It's now at $878k.

Great, just in time for Christm… oh.

Now at $915k.

[tennbengal]

[The Sybian]

Didn’t this happen to an NHL player? I’m thinking a huge guy on the Blues maybe? Took a shot directly to the chest and his heart stopped.

[mister d]

You’re thinking of Bouwmeester but his was “spontaneous”, there was no impact.

[The Sybian]

You’re thinking of Bouwmeester but his was “spontaneous”, there was no impact.

I googled, Chris Pronger.

[Johnnie]

[rass]

It's clearly a good problem to have given where this all started and where it looked like it might be going, but figuring out the logistics of how to purchase and then distribute $1MM+ worth of toys is probably going to take up a lot of his free time even if he hires someone to do it.

[tennbengal]

It's clearly a good problem to have given where this all started and where it looked like it might be going, but figuring out the logistics of how to purchase and then distribute $1MM+ worth of toys is probably going to take up a lot of his free time even if he hires someone to do it.

apparently $3mm plus now,

[A_B]

Yeah I run a non profit with a yearly budget in the 1M range and its way more work than you'd think, though most of ours is just cutting checks, and not the legwork. They may have to bring in an adviser, and in fact I'd recommend it. Too much money to not have the right controls in place.

[wlu_lax6]

I hope the charity is not a bad pass through. I know lots of players do great stuff in the community but some have had some sketchy stuff go on. Feel like some folk probably have a playbook for this type of setup for less altruistic reasons.
https://nypost.com/2012/07/01/nyc-star- ... charities/

[The Sybian]

Yeah I run a non profit with a yearly budget in the 1M range and its way more work than you'd think, though most of ours is just cutting checks, and not the legwork. They may have to bring in an adviser, and in fact I'd recommend it. Too much money to not have the right controls in place.

That’s a good point. This is now a burden on him or his people.

[brian]

Yeah I run a non profit with a yearly budget in the 1M range and its way more work than you'd think, though most of ours is just cutting checks, and not the legwork. They may have to bring in an adviser, and in fact I'd recommend it. Too much money to not have the right controls in place.

That’s a good point. This is now a burden on him or his people.

It is, though it doesn't have to be. After buying like maybe $25K worth of toys he could say the foundation is giving the rest to some locally respected children's charity in the Buffalo area and give people a chance to get a refund first if they want. 99 percent of the people who donated won't. Then cut a check.

[A_B]

That's a solid idea, too. Move it to someone with the infrastructure.

[degenerasian]

Really seemed like the coaches were the ones that said screw this, we're leaving the field, right? Buck kept saying 5 minutes (to his credit, incredulously) so that must be what the league was feeding ESPN.

Yeah - good on them

I read somewhere last night that its standard protocol when there is a head/trauma injury that requires an ambulance on the field to remove an injured player, that 5 minutes is provided before the resumption of play.

So Im guessing that was implemented by the officials in a situation that was obviously very different than what the protocol was created for.

It was an unprecedented situation last night and no one really knew what to do exactly until much discussion was had. I think everyone on that field and even watching was in varying degrees of shock and it just took some time to get everyone contacted and whatnot on how to handle everything.

Anyhow they made the right call as all that matters is that young mans health and the mental effect of seeing what happened is dealt with for all those players and coaches etc.

[The Sybian]

Curious what people are doing in fantasy leagues if the game is not rescheduled. In my league, the Commissioner went into MNF down 10 and projected to lose by 12, both teams having 2 players going. At the suspension, Commish is down 10.5. He is thinking if the game isn't rescheduled, hw will declare co-champs and split the winnings. Seems like it should go to the other guy, especially since they both had two players in that game. I don't have a dog in this fight and if the other guy wants to share the winnings/title, I guess I don't really care, just curious what others are doing.

[A_B]

Donate it all to a cardiac unit of your choosing.

[Tom 1860]

Curious what people are doing in fantasy leagues if the game is not rescheduled. In my league, the Commissioner went into MNF down 10 and projected to lose by 12, both teams having 2 players going. At the suspension, Commish is down 10.5. He is thinking if the game isn't rescheduled, hw will declare co-champs and split the winnings. Seems like it should go to the other guy, especially since they both had two players in that game. I don't have a dog in this fight and if the other guy wants to share the winnings/title, I guess I don't really care, just curious what others are doing.

I am in a final with Gabe Davis of the Bills and a 24.5 lead, my opponent has Joe Burrow. I suspect if this is not played, the winner will be based upon the projected score?

Not that any of this is important etc...

[mister d]

Just pool 1st and 2nd place and split based on odds of winning.

[brian]

Game officially cancelled. Won't be made up.

[Giff]

I'm going to assume Gabe Davis would have had a -80 yard reception and Josh Allen threw 9 picks.