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wow, audible gasp in the GOP debate hall as Inter Miami equalize

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:20 pm So Vivek Whateverthefuckhislastnameis seems to be 2024's Andrew Chang.

I visited his website today and found that these are the top 3 "Truths" on his list of 10:

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In a way, it's kind of sweet that a new American can absorb the absolute worst beliefs held by the very people who would like to see people of his colour swinging off of a tree.

Does he actually believe it, or just willing to say whatever gets him attention/votes? I’ve avoided learning about him after seeing some crazy conspiracy shit out of his mouth. Hoped he’d disappear before I needed to know about him.

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:35 pm

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:20 pm So Vivek Whateverthefuckhislastnameis seems to be 2024's Andrew Chang.

I visited his website today and found that these are the top 3 "Truths" on his list of 10:

Screen Shot 2023-08-23 at 11.09.41 AM.png

In a way, it's kind of sweet that a new American can absorb the absolute worst beliefs held by the very people who would like to see people of his colour swinging off of a tree.

Does he actually believe it, or just willing to say whatever gets him attention/votes? I’ve avoided learning about him after seeing some crazy conspiracy shit out of his mouth. Hoped he’d disappear before I needed to know about him.

The media is desperate to get stories out of the GOP race. How else to explain all the ink spent on candidates attracting single digit support?

He'll be out of our lives soon enough.

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:56 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:35 pm

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:20 pm So Vivek Whateverthefuckhislastnameis seems to be 2024's Andrew Chang.

I visited his website today and found that these are the top 3 "Truths" on his list of 10:

Screen Shot 2023-08-23 at 11.09.41 AM.png

In a way, it's kind of sweet that a new American can absorb the absolute worst beliefs held by the very people who would like to see people of his colour swinging off of a tree.

Does he actually believe it, or just willing to say whatever gets him attention/votes? I’ve avoided learning about him after seeing some crazy conspiracy shit out of his mouth. Hoped he’d disappear before I needed to know about him.

The media is desperate to get stories out of the GOP race. How else to explain all the ink spent on candidates attracting single digit support?

He'll be out of our lives soon enough.

I think you'll be disappointed for a while longer as he's the front runner of this group. He's direct and doesn't waffle. The part where the candidates were asked, if Trump is the nominee and he's indicted in a court of law, who would still support him? Vivek's hand shot straight up and then the crowd cheered and more hands hesitantly came up. Everyone else sounds hollow, programmed, and nervous. He's got nothing to lose, no record to defend. Christie's trying to attack Trump after supporting Trump and Vivek ripped him one.



I'd like to see Vivek against Trump and which liar buckles.

that's sarcasm, right?

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:23 pm that's sarcasm, right?

Nope, he scored points last night. This is what a large element of the American population likes. Just wow them with passionate platforms that rile them up and they don't care about how things really are.

I mean who's going to get excited about Pence, Haley, Christie or DeSantis? All they did last night was hesitate and deflect. The outsider got all the attention and all the applause.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:47 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:23 pm that's sarcasm, right?

Nope, he scored points last night. This is what a large element of the American population likes. Just wow them with passionate platforms that rile them up and they don't care about how things really are.

I mean who's going to get excited about Pence, Haley, Christie or DeSantis? All they did last night was hesitate and deflect. The outsider got all the attention and all the applause.

Vivek is either running for VP or hoping to step in if Trump somehow loses his base (I don't even think dying will dissuade them at this point). He proclaims Trump is the greatest President ever and perfect in every way. WTF, that is his entire platform, "I'm a younger Trump." If it comes down to Trump and Vivek, his only move is to run as VP.

degenerasian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:47 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:23 pm that's sarcasm, right?

Nope, he scored points last night. This is what a large element of the American population likes. Just wow them with passionate platforms that rile them up and they don't care about how things really are.

I mean who's going to get excited about Pence, Haley, Christie or DeSantis? All they did last night was hesitate and deflect. The outsider got all the attention and all the applause.

Points for whom? The tech-bros in Silicon Valley aren't nearly a large enough segment of the GOP to get anyone elected outside of local levels in CA (maybe state level). IMO, the racist, tinfoil hat wearers who make up the majority of Trump's base are never going to turn out to vote for an Indian, and the Xtian nationalists would rather shit a brick than turn out to vote for a Hindu. The tinfoil hat that threads all of them will detect a fraud.

DEY TUK ARR YOBS!

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:15 pm The tech-bros in Silicon Valley aren't nearly a large enough segment of the GOP to get anyone elected outside of local levels in CA

The tech-bros in Silicon Valley can’t get a Republican elected to dogcatcher around here. No Republican has won any significant race in the Bay Area in decades. And, Schwarzenegger is the only R that I can think of to win a statewide race this century.

R’s are strong in Orange County and San Diego and rural California, but that’s not where tech bros hold influence.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:15 pm DEY TUK ARR YOBS!

Especially since the Golden Age of Pirates was like 200 years ago.

I don't know about the rest of you, but every time I see or read something about Vivek he gets even more loathsome to me.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:14 am I don't know about the rest of you, but every time I see or read something about Vivek he gets even more loathsome to me.

Check out his website if you want to get really angry. The guy makes DeSantis look reasonable.

Like Enoch noted above, the large knuckle-dragging portion of maga will never vote for an Indian person.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:44 am Like Enoch noted above, the large knuckle-dragging portion of maga will never vote for an Indian person.

OTOH, they love a dark-skinned person telling them they aren't racist or their racists beliefs are correct.

Right I couldn't help but think of the godfathers pizza dude

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:41 pm Right I couldn't help but think of the godfathers pizza dude

Haha. Yeah, Herman Cain. I played Let It Ride on the same table at the Wynn with him once. He was effectively murdered by Donald Trump.

Giff and TT, I am so sorry.

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 9:10 am Giff and TT, I am so sorry.

This could be so many things. More specific, please.

2028 GOP convention will be in Houston. So your fair city will be overrun by Nazis.

Pruitt IV wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:05 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:14 am I don't know about the rest of you, but every time I see or read something about Vivek he gets even more loathsome to me.

Check out his website if you want to get really angry. The guy makes DeSantis look reasonable.

This fuckwit just called a Black Congresswoman part of “the modern KKK”.

That stuff has been picking up steam for about 10 days now... You guys know where I'm at generally (optimistic that Trump will go down), but this just feels really thin to me.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:26 pm That stuff has been picking up steam for about 10 days now... You guys know where I'm at generally (optimistic that Trump will go down), but this just feels really thin to me.

It also plays into Republican conspiracy theories about Dems putting their fingers on the scales.

It’s a bad idea. Fuck Trump but let the voters decide.

Fuck Trump and fuck his candidacy. It's not up to the will of the people after January 6th, having stolen top secret intelligence out of Washington, etc. He took an oath of office of the presidency of the United States.

This is about his ability to lead America and its hilariously powerful military. Not about the will of the people.

If the Supreme Court wanted to pull the ultimate long term best play here, they make sure he's removed from ballots to save the Republican Party from itself.

In the meantime they win moderates and liberals who fawn over conservatives living up to decorum, civility, principles, and Doing The Right Thing™.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:26 pm That stuff has been picking up steam for about 10 days now... You guys know where I'm at generally (optimistic that Trump will go down), but this just feels really thin to me.

This. The Fourteenth Amendment was written with the Civil War in mind. A riot at the Capitol is not even remotely close to the same thing.

Trump isn't even being charged with insurrection in connection with January 6.

And 2A was written with muskets in mind ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And also a "well regulated militia".

But as terrible as the right's creative interpretation of the Second Amendment is, it doesn't attack the very heart of our democracy the way the left's creative interpretation of the Insurrection Clause would.

Read the tweet again, Steve. "The left" aren't the ones behind the effort.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:01 pm Read the tweet again, Steve. "The left" aren't the ones behind the effort.

It's a false flag operation. Unless you are telling me Alex Jones isn't always right. I wonder if this is Machiavellian Republicans who think the only way Biden wins is if he runs against Trump, or actual Republicans taking a stand against Trump. Either way, it's a weak argument I can't see working. But I applaud the effort.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:01 pm Read the tweet again, Steve. "The left" aren't the ones behind the effort.

In Colorado. But there’s similar lawsuits and efforts afoot nationally and they’re mostly coming from the left. It’s a bad idea and it’ll backfire. Even if it works and Trump is off the ballot, it’ll ensure a Republican wins the 2024 election and lead to a wipeout in the House and Senate.

BeckyHammon’s hoodie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:06 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:01 pm Read the tweet again, Steve. "The left" aren't the ones behind the effort.

In Colorado. But there’s similar lawsuits and efforts afoot nationally and they’re mostly coming from the left. It’s a bad idea and it’ll backfire. Even if it works and Trump is off the ballot, it’ll ensure a Republican wins the 2024 election and lead to a wipeout in the House and Senate.

Yeah, I wasn't referring to the specific situation in Colorado, but the fact that I am seeing this argument gain traction in my Twitter feed.

I don't even know why courts would have any say in who the Republican Party of Colorado lists on the ballots they issue to party members in an election where those party members choose delegates to send to the party's national convention.

BeckyHammon’s hoodie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:06 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:01 pm Read the tweet again, Steve. "The left" aren't the ones behind the effort.

In Colorado. But there’s similar lawsuits and efforts afoot nationally and they’re mostly coming from the left. It’s a bad idea and it’ll backfire. Even if it works and Trump is off the ballot, it’ll ensure a Republican wins the 2024 election and lead to a wipeout in the House and Senate.

Why? I don't think the Republicans can win under any circumstances.

I hard disagree with BH'sH. There are two ways the Dems lose in '24, and that's if (a) there's an economic crunch, or (b) Racist-ass GOP shenanigans prevent blacks from voting in swing states. Either of those are possible, but I even think (b) is getting harder for them (see the Fed District of Alabama throwing out the racist-ass, gerrymandered-as-fuck Congressional map for the second time, two of whom were Trump appointees).

These kind of electoral shenanigans will absolutely alienate the fragile centrist collation which has mostly hung with the Dems thru Trumpism and Dobbs blowback. I know a lot of these people. They hold their nose when they vote for Biden (and Whitmer) but they do vote for them because the Dems are seen as more small d democratic. Using law suits to removing names from a ballot - even if it’s someone they mostly loathe like Trump - is the best way to make sure they vote GOP in 2024.

BeckyHammon’s hoodie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:41 pm These kind of electoral shenanigans will absolutely alienate the fragile centrist collation which has mostly hung with the Dems thru Trumpism and Dobbs blowback. I know a lot of these people. They hold their nose when they vote for Biden (and Whitmer) but they do vote for them because the Dems are seen as more small d democratic. Using law suits to removing names from a ballot - even if it’s someone they mostly loathe like Trump - is the best way to make sure they vote GOP in 2024.

Really? I think a small number of people even follow politics or any lawsuits. It may seem more in your circle of friends.

Something like this would not offset issues much bigger, like Abortion!

BeckyHammon’s hoodie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:41 pm These kind of electoral shenanigans will absolutely alienate the fragile centrist collation which has mostly hung with the Dems thru Trumpism and Dobbs blowback. I know a lot of these people. They hold their nose when they vote for Biden (and Whitmer) but they do vote for them because the Dems are seen as more small d democratic. Using law suits to removing names from a ballot - even if it’s someone they mostly loathe like Trump - is the best way to make sure they vote GOP in 2024.

"Yeah, Trump couldn't accept that he lost and lied that he won, and his shitty white-trash supporters attacked the Capitol and killed some Federal Police. But the Democrats want to take him off that ballot for doing that? That's bullshit. Gotta go with Trump again."

Democrats in disarray! Both sides are horrible. At least Trump had a message.

Let's also not forget that what Tuberville is doing right now is a direct shot at the military because they wouldn't go along with the insurrection.

So I don't think they can get the military on their side like they think they can, but it's a way of holding everything out in the event Trump 'wins' and he can 'pack the brass' or whatever and overturn military policies in the meantime.

Maybe I'm being wild, but am insurrection in 2028 with the military will be easier than one with a bunch of rednecks without guns.