Champions League 2024-25 (it goes to 36!)

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:49 pm

mister d wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:24 pm Kovacic on which means the middle should be opening up.

Its like you were looking into a crystal ball...

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:54 pm

That's a shame.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:54 pm

mister d wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:39 pmIt is not.

good thing

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 4:54 pm

What was Ederson thinking there? Baffling...

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:47 pm

Well atleast this time when Madrid came from behind with multiple late goals I wasn't on my way to a friend's funeral.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:11 pm

mister d wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:47 pm Well atleast this time when Madrid came from behind with multiple late goals I wasn't on my way to a friend's funeral.

Sorry for your loss.

No, the other one.

ruddy61 · Post by **ruddy61** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:57 pm

Pretty embarrassing moment, especially the banner with Rodri, and even more so since the goals came from mistakes.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:04 pm

rass wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 6:11 pm
mister d wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:47 pm Well atleast this time when Madrid came from behind with multiple late goals I wasn't on my way to a friend's funeral.
Sorry for your loss.

No, the other one.

Almost 3 years late, buddy.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:20 pm

God...Ray Hudson is insufferable. He makes Dick Vitale seem quiet and low-key.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:30 pm

DaveInSeattle wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:20 pm God...Ray Hudson is insufferable. He makes Dick Vitale seem quiet and low-key.

And just like that, Celtic scores to draw level with Bayern.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:37 pm

Real Madrid is gonna win the whole thing again, aren't they?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:42 pm

I've already shifted to "City isn't winning this year so the earlier out, the better".

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:19 pm

Welp, didn’t include Mbappe scoring in my parlay because I got burned on that in the first leg :-/

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:21 pm

P.D.X. wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2025 4:19 pm Welp, didn’t include Mbappe scoring in my parlay because I got burned on that in the first leg :-/

Might be going out on a limb here, but I think they've figured out how to have Mbappe and Vini Jr co-exist.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 05, 2025 4:55 pm

Liverpool absolutely stole that game. Allison with some HUGE saves...

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:43 pm

FUCK!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:25 pm

Yeah that's too bad.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 12:27 pm

mister d wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:25 pm Yeah that's too bad.

2 great games between two evenly matched teams. PK's are always a coin flip.

Hopefully the hangover from the loss doesn't carry over to Wembley this weekend.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:54 pm

That’s some front 3 Arsenal is putting out. Kieran Tierney, Mikel Merino and Sterling.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:26 pm

I know the positioning was bad and it was a clear chance, but did the Brugge guy really make enough contact to get a red there?

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:31 pm

The Madrid Derby match is bonkers...its like an old school 15 round heavyweight fight.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:54 pm

They call penalties a lottery but I feel like I can guess the penalty winner like 80% of the time

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:18 pm

Rex wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:54 pm They call penalties a lottery but I feel like I can guess the penalty winner like 80% of the time

Even taking "double hits" into account?

I was watching during a meeting, and I had no idea what was going on with that. I was so confused.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:37 pm

Same I thought I was following it pretty well in Spanish but then the red X

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:07 pm

Rex wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:54 pm They call penalties a lottery but I feel like I can guess the penalty winner like 80% of the time

Only the English call penalties a lottery.... excuses.

The German national team have only missed 1 penalty in a world cup shootout ever. Their first one in 1982.

17 out of 18 in world cups
26 out of 30 in euros

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:01 am

Exactly. It's part of the game.

It'd be one thing if they morphed into some random Skillz Competition and had guys trying chip the ball into a garbage can from 40 yards or something.

Suck it up and make your kick.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:13 am

You mean a rubbish bin?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:45 am

mister d wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:13 am You mean a rubbish bin?

I don't say kit and pitch and gaffer because I'm not a douche-canoe. So... Garbage Can.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:53 am

waste paper basket!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:57 am

For the record, the double hit call was baffling. I watched multiple angles, and it's such a tiny nudge that it's not viewable at all by the naked eye. Even multiple angles and replays don't make it clear.

VAR is supposed to keep the call on the field unless there is clear and obvious video evidence. Seems like the letter of the law wasn't followed here.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:19 am

Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:57 am For the record, the double hit call was baffling. I watched multiple angles, and it's such a tiny nudge that it's not viewable at all by the naked eye. Even multiple angles and replays don't make it clear.

VAR is supposed to keep the call on the field unless there is clear and obvious video evidence. Seems like the letter of the law wasn't followed here.

That's always the fear of bringing in technology, it becomes black and white. Some people will view a tiny nudge as clear and obvious.

When baseball brought in replay on home runs and then expanded it to bases, they didn't factor in calls when someone slides and comes off the base. People watched baseball for decades and only considered who got to the base first, not who got there first and held on.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:31 am

I don't want to get rid of replay and VAR, but I really do wish they'd clean it up and I think most of that would come down to making the coaching staffs responsible for real time challenges, not "every single goal scored we let the benches use tech to check the blue line down to the millisecond". Get however many potential challenges per game where, real time, a button is pressed within a second or whatever and, if a goal is scored, you have the option to go back and challenge. That way the obvious shit still gets fixed but you don't have to hold crowd reactions every time and take every score from exciting to tedious.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:16 pm

mister d wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:31 am I don't want to get rid of replay and VAR, but I really do wish they'd clean it up and I think most of that would come down to making the coaching staffs responsible for real time challenges, not "every single goal scored we let the benches use tech to check the blue line down to the millisecond". Get however many potential challenges per game where, real time, a button is pressed within a second or whatever and, if a goal is scored, you have the option to go back and challenge. That way the obvious shit still gets fixed but you don't have to hold crowd reactions every time and take every score from exciting to tedious.

They trialed this at the recent Women's U-20 world cup. It was called FVS Football Video Support

A. It's more affordable than VAR
B. The onus falls on the two head coaches, who are allowed to make a limited number of review requests per match when they feel there has been a clear and obvious error in match-changing incidents such as goal/no goal, penalty/no penalty, direct red cards or mistaken identity.

I think not only is it affordable, it's better. What's more annoying than reversing a decision that the opponent didn't even notice.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:45 pm

I kinda like that, but I do think there has to be a real time aspect for sports like soccer and hockey where the number of challenges can easily equal the number of goals scored. Like not for goalie interference or red cards stuff, but for ticky-tack offsides. Those should either be real time calls, by the officials or a bench challenge, or lost. Drawing lines after every goal and having assistants checking to see if a skate is mid-air is no fun for anyone, even if it ends up being correct.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:11 pm

Leave it to the teams and it will be weaponized as a time-wasting or other interfering tactic.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:06 pm

I don't think it could be? The rule would be you have to have a flag/button/hand raised within (blank) amount of time. If a goal is scored, it gets reviewed. If one isn't, you just lose one of your potential uses but there's no stoppage. You get a finite amount per game so you can't be frivolous. Like how MLB accepts that a play could be wrong but if you're out of challenges, so be it.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:13 pm

Seems like the difference between that and the current usage would be do small it wouldn’t justify the additional team staff/effort. Like you’d realistically need dedicated ppl watching the game with the same feed that the VAR booth currently has. For what? 1-2 less reviews per game?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:17 pm

I think its less the amount per game and more avoiding the ones that draw everyone's ire. Even if its one non-call per match week, that means every week the MOST ANNOYING CALL is gone. Like I'm 90th percentile pedantic and even I can't stand watching them draw lines for 5 minutes.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm

The thing I don't understand, and this goes for ALL sports:

Put a timer on the actual review by the refs/umps. If you can't see a reason to reverse a call within, say 90 - 120 seconds, it means the call is too close to overturn... Move the fuck on.

That's the part that truly drives me crazy.

If some nerd goes back and frame-by-frames that PK call from yesterday to "prove" they got it wrong... 99 percent of the rest of the world is going to see it for what it is and tell that nerd to fuck off.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:04 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm The thing I don't understand, and this goes for ALL sports:

Put a timer on the actual review by the refs/umps. If you can't see a reason to reverse a call within, say 90 - 120 seconds, it means the call is too close to overturn... Move the fuck on.

That's the part that truly drives me crazy.

If some nerd goes back and frame-by-frames that PK call from yesterday to "prove" they got it wrong... 99 percent of the rest of the world is going to see it for what it is and tell that nerd to fuck off.

Will they? When it's your team? When there's sports gambling?

It's the blowback. 24 hour sports channels, social media saying the call was wrong, even by fractions of inches. We live in that world.