Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:59 am
Reminds me of this:
The Swamp
It's the sixth version of The Swamp. What could possibly go wrong?
http://www.sportsfrog.net/phpbb/
Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
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Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:57 am
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:58 am
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am
So they're just suing Nevada just to get the mail-in ballots hung up in legal limbo until the election, right? Seems risky to have mail-in ballots declared fair and legal in court if your campaign strategy rests on the premise that they're not fair and legal.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:53 am
Given the stakes, it won't be hung up until the election. Other states have mail-in voting and have for decades in some cases. The courts will quickly swat this down.P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am So they're just suing Nevada just to get the mail-in ballots hung up in legal limbo until the election, right? Seems risky to have mail-in ballots declared fair and legal in court if your campaign strategy rests on the premise that they're not fair and legal.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:20 pm
Unless they are banking on dragging out the legal proceedings, or holding up the vote by mail process while waiting for courts to decide. OTOH, the actual results don't matter. Their mouth pieces can go on all the pundit shows saying how illegal Nevada's system is and just stop talking about it when the judgment comes in against them. The base will never know. They will believe the system is illegal and not think about it again, and any news factually reporting the judgment will be "fake news" and biased against Trump.P.D.X. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 am So they're just suing Nevada just to get the mail-in ballots hung up in legal limbo until the election, right? Seems risky to have mail-in ballots declared fair and legal in court if your campaign strategy rests on the premise that they're not fair and legal.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:23 pm
So apparently Trump is going to accept the Republican nomination at the White House..
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/510 ... even-legal
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/510 ... even-legal
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:27 pm
Trump flaunting campaign and election laws? Shocking! Of course it's illegal or at best an ethics violation, but it's not as bad as his campaigning during COVID press conferences which is illegal, yet he does it every single time.psunate77 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:23 pm So apparently Trump is going to accept the Republican nomination at the White House..
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/510 ... even-legal
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:32 pm
Yeah, no... That's a very clear Hatch Act violation.
Shit, on the Hill, members have to walk down the street from their office building to make any kind of campaign related calls. You can't sit in the WH and just be 100 percent campaign focused.
The fact that Trump just vomits this obviously illegal plan is just another sign of him just not giving a fuck. Not in terms of knowingly violating a law. He can't be bothered to even have a basic understanding.
OR... or, he's just trolling.
Honestly... 50-50 for me on that call.
Shit, on the Hill, members have to walk down the street from their office building to make any kind of campaign related calls. You can't sit in the WH and just be 100 percent campaign focused.
The fact that Trump just vomits this obviously illegal plan is just another sign of him just not giving a fuck. Not in terms of knowingly violating a law. He can't be bothered to even have a basic understanding.
OR... or, he's just trolling.
Honestly... 50-50 for me on that call.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:57 pm
My next door neighbor works for the Agency that is responsible for enforcing the Hatch act. She is a lawyer and it is a VERY small office. She is not a political appointment, but her boss is (and she actually says he is a pretty good person and not really political in the role). I once waiting for our kids to get off the bus made a comment that she must be pretty busy with all of the potential violations. She just looked at me in all seriousness and said that the number of memos she has written was through the roof.
On the other side, my buddy who is the SW VA district chief USADA can't even bring his Donald Pump & AbeBroham Lincoln coffee mugs out at home because of the risk they show up on a zoom meeting (In my zoom background some people see my Kid Rock for Senate Hat).
On the other side, my buddy who is the SW VA district chief USADA can't even bring his Donald Pump & AbeBroham Lincoln coffee mugs out at home because of the risk they show up on a zoom meeting (In my zoom background some people see my Kid Rock for Senate Hat).
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:03 pm
Ask your Hatch Act friend if she is soliciting volunteers to help with the overflow of work.wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:57 pm My next door neighbor works for the Agency that is responsible for enforcing the Hatch act. She is a lawyer and it is a VERY small office. She is not a political appointment, but her boss is (and she actually says he is a pretty good person and not really political in the role). I once waiting for our kids to get off the bus made a comment that she must be pretty busy with all of the potential violations. She just looked at me in all seriousness and said that the number of memos she has written was through the roof.
On the other side, my buddy who is the SW VA district chief USADA can't even bring his Donald Pump & AbeBroham Lincoln coffee mugs out at home because of the risk they show up on a zoom meeting (In my zoom background some people see my Kid Rock for Senate Hat).
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:24 pm
As you can see from behavior, does not feel like the memos result in anything impactful. My guess is impact is at the troop level (complaining about coffee cups that Fred and William are using). Or on the other hand could you imagine what would happen if they were not doing the work.The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:03 pmAsk your Hatch Act friend if she is soliciting volunteers to help with the overflow of work.wlu_lax6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:57 pm My next door neighbor works for the Agency that is responsible for enforcing the Hatch act. She is a lawyer and it is a VERY small office. She is not a political appointment, but her boss is (and she actually says he is a pretty good person and not really political in the role). I once waiting for our kids to get off the bus made a comment that she must be pretty busy with all of the potential violations. She just looked at me in all seriousness and said that the number of memos she has written was through the roof.
On the other side, my buddy who is the SW VA district chief USADA can't even bring his Donald Pump & AbeBroham Lincoln coffee mugs out at home because of the risk they show up on a zoom meeting (In my zoom background some people see my Kid Rock for Senate Hat).
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:06 pm
You can't make this up..
"Donald Trump reportedly told a room of his top aides that he is in charge of the Hatch Act, when warned by his chief of staff that bringing his cabinet members to a campaign rally could violate ethics rules."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66876.html
"Donald Trump reportedly told a room of his top aides that he is in charge of the Hatch Act, when warned by his chief of staff that bringing his cabinet members to a campaign rally could violate ethics rules."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 66876.html
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:58 pm
I honestly think he thinks that those sorts of ethics rules are for suckers and pussies. The true strong, successful businessman takes every advantage he can get. Anyone who doesn't doesn't have the balls to play this game. I bet Trump used to jerk off to Alec Baldwin's speech in Glengarry Glen Ross.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:31 pm
Oh. That's considered abnormal?
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Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:53 pm
But you guys do realize Trump is right, correct? Everything he's saying he can do, he absolutely can because no one stops him.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:20 pm
Sometimes I think Trump is Calvin come to life.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:36 pm
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:48 am
Anxiously awaiting the 11:30 NYAG press conference.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:48 am
Ched I hope this "national" announcement today is a new full band album without any guests ha ha ha!
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am
The fact that the AG of New York is a Black woman makes it so sweet...
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:20 am
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:41 am
Oh Boy
Disappointed that this is the big PC.. This will never happen.
Disappointed that this is the big PC.. This will never happen.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:42 am
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:47 am
Why not? The NRA is registered in NY and is tens of millions of dollars in debt with almost no way to mount a serious legal defense. If they're found to have committed fraud on the scale of tens of millions of dollars, dissolving the organization is the only remedy since they can't pay a fine.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:48 am
Couldn't/wouldn't they just reform the NAR (national association of rifles)?
And hi Max! Big hugs!
And hi Max! Big hugs!
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am
100% agree with this. It's the mindset of a sociopath or a psychopath. Only an idiot would follow rules that limit their ability to make money, and they are the first people to stretch the rules to enforce on others when it's in their interest. He's openly said as much numerous times during the 2016 campaign. He had an answer that I thought was legit great during one of the debates when asked about taking advantage of tax laws or campaign finance or something. He said the system sucks and he knows how to exploit the system for his benefit. I think this is where the NY AG is going after him, for fraudulently over-valuing his assets for loan purposes while under-valuing the same assets for tax purposes.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:54 am
While this might be the right move in the name of justice, politically this is going to light a huge fire under the gun rights crowd. "Holy shit, they are taking out the NRA then they are coming for our guns!" I'm actually surprised the NRA didn't face any consequences for funneling Russian money into the RNC campaign coffers in 2016, I really thought when they indicted the Russian woman as a government agent who infiltrated the NRA (you know, the same woman Trump hand selected to ask the first question at a press conference a while back) that there would be charges. So naive back in those days, thinking the Justice Department could withstand the pressures of politics, or would get protection from Congress to do their job and not act as the personal law firm of the President.brian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:47 amWhy not? The NRA is registered in NY and is tens of millions of dollars in debt with almost no way to mount a serious legal defense. If they're found to have committed fraud on the scale of tens of millions of dollars, dissolving the organization is the only remedy since they can't pay a fine.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:02 am
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:58 am
Does the Hatch Act actually apply to a president? Does Congress have the power to put such limits on the President, given that they are co-equal under the Constitution?The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am100% agree with this. It's the mindset of a sociopath or a psychopath. Only an idiot would follow rules that limit their ability to make money, and they are the first people to stretch the rules to enforce on others when it's in their interest. He's openly said as much numerous times during the 2016 campaign. He had an answer that I thought was legit great during one of the debates when asked about taking advantage of tax laws or campaign finance or something. He said the system sucks and he knows how to exploit the system for his benefit. I think this is where the NY AG is going after him, for fraudulently over-valuing his assets for loan purposes while under-valuing the same assets for tax purposes.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:17 pm
Are you really asking this? Isn't it the very definition of checks and balances?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:58 amDoes the Hatch Act actually apply to a president? Does Congress have the power to put such limits on the President, given that they are co-equal under the Constitution?The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am100% agree with this. It's the mindset of a sociopath or a psychopath. Only an idiot would follow rules that limit their ability to make money, and they are the first people to stretch the rules to enforce on others when it's in their interest. He's openly said as much numerous times during the 2016 campaign. He had an answer that I thought was legit great during one of the debates when asked about taking advantage of tax laws or campaign finance or something. He said the system sucks and he knows how to exploit the system for his benefit. I think this is where the NY AG is going after him, for fraudulently over-valuing his assets for loan purposes while under-valuing the same assets for tax purposes.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:13 pm
Not necessarily. Checks and balances doesn't give Congress power over the President except for things like impeachment.A_B wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:17 pmAre you really asking this? Isn't it the very definition of checks and balances?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:58 amDoes the Hatch Act actually apply to a president? Does Congress have the power to put such limits on the President, given that they are co-equal under the Constitution?The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am100% agree with this. It's the mindset of a sociopath or a psychopath. Only an idiot would follow rules that limit their ability to make money, and they are the first people to stretch the rules to enforce on others when it's in their interest. He's openly said as much numerous times during the 2016 campaign. He had an answer that I thought was legit great during one of the debates when asked about taking advantage of tax laws or campaign finance or something. He said the system sucks and he knows how to exploit the system for his benefit. I think this is where the NY AG is going after him, for fraudulently over-valuing his assets for loan purposes while under-valuing the same assets for tax purposes.
According to the US Office of Special Counsel, the Hatch Act does not apply to the President or Vice President. This squares with my understanding also.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:00 pm
I don't agree with James timing for this stuff with the NRA.. If anything people will turn this into they are coming for our guns stuff and it will only help Trump IMO.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:08 pm
I don't know about the Hatch Act specifically, but it seems the President doesn't have to comply with the ethical rules and regulations that apply to all other federal employees. The President isn't subject to a background investigation or security clearance measures, they apparently don't need to submit tax returns, and they are allowed to accept gifts from foreign governments (despite the emoluments clause in Article II of the Constitution clearly prohibiting accepting gifts).Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:13 pmNot necessarily. Checks and balances doesn't give Congress power over the President except for things like impeachment.A_B wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:17 pmAre you really asking this? Isn't it the very definition of checks and balances?Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:58 amDoes the Hatch Act actually apply to a president? Does Congress have the power to put such limits on the President, given that they are co-equal under the Constitution?The Sybian wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 am100% agree with this. It's the mindset of a sociopath or a psychopath. Only an idiot would follow rules that limit their ability to make money, and they are the first people to stretch the rules to enforce on others when it's in their interest. He's openly said as much numerous times during the 2016 campaign. He had an answer that I thought was legit great during one of the debates when asked about taking advantage of tax laws or campaign finance or something. He said the system sucks and he knows how to exploit the system for his benefit. I think this is where the NY AG is going after him, for fraudulently over-valuing his assets for loan purposes while under-valuing the same assets for tax purposes.
According to the US Office of Special Counsel, the Hatch Act does not apply to the President or Vice President. This squares with my understanding also.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:35 pm
"Thighland".
Arguably the craziest part is where he praises the leaders of Vietnam and Thailand afterwards, apparently forgetting that Vietnam is still Communist and Thailand is run by a military junta.
Arguably the craziest part is where he praises the leaders of Vietnam and Thailand afterwards, apparently forgetting that Vietnam is still Communist and Thailand is run by a military junta.
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:39 pm
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:08 pm
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:24 pm
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:47 pm
Re: Trump Admin Meltdown Thread Part V - All Hail King Donald, First of his name
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:18 pm
"Look everyone we're taking election security seriously."