2022 NBA Playoffs

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am

that would totally be a bad call if he didn't, you know, make contact when he was reaching with his right arm

it's very hard to take officiating complaints seriously in a game where Steph Curry failed to make a three for the first time in like 234 games and the Celtics still lost by double figures

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:11 am

Good point.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:43 am

At the time I posted that link the game wasn't over and the Celtics came back. So your point is only good in hindsight.

And then there's this bullshit, but I'm sure that's totally Smart's fault too. He pulled himself right, really.

The Celtics played a shit game and deserved to lose. The bench was atrocious. Tatum couldn't hit layups and kept up his errant turnover streak up. Brown can't dribble. Etc...

I'm just saying the exaggerated reactions played a bigger part in fouls than if they were actually fouled. They were already playing like shit and then getting shit calls doesn't help.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am

I'm just saying the exaggerated reactions ...

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:58 am

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am
it's very hard to take officiating complaints seriously in a game where Steph Curry failed to make a three for the first time in like 234 games and the Celtics still lost by double figures

And since this is pretty much 99% of the media's reaction to bad calls, we still have shitty officiating with zero accountability.

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:59 am

Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:07 pm True. But man. And when the Warriors get calls like this, it's hard to get past.

You can either believe that an NBA player lost a wide open layup because he tripped himself in a way that's never happened in the history of man ... or the camera angle isn't great to catch Williams's knee hitting Payton's foot. Either one or the other.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:17 am

Didnt look live or replays that it was foot or knee. The guy really did trip over his feet. Williams did get him with the bent arm the step before so probably the right call but he tripped over his own feet on contact less than what is typically called. If he hadnt tripped over his own feet he wouldnt have gotten the call. Looked like one of those cross the ankles soccer flops in the box.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:42 am

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:47 am I'm just saying the exaggerated reactions ...

Klay pushed off. If Smart gets a foul for the Poole shit and Williams gets a foul for the GP2 shit, then where's Klay's foul for this shit?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:53 am

Its inconsistent for sure, but if we're talking exaggerated reactions either its both teams doing the same nonsense or Klay Thompson is really, really strong.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:31 pm

Boston is 3-13 straight up and 4-12 against the spread in their last 16 playoff games in which Tony Brothers has been an official, including last night. But, maybe Scott Foster will get an assignment in Game 6, as Boston did in Game 3, which they won 116-100. From before that game:

Since 2016, home teams in Game 3 of any playoff series with Foster in pinstripes are a blistering hot 10-1 outright and 9-2 ATS.

Also, if history repeats itself, the Celtics will bounce back after getting blown out in Game 2.

Over the last three years, in either the Conference Finals or NBA Finals, teams fresh off a loss with Foster the lead official the following game are also 10-1 straight up and 9-2 versus the number.

The Celtics have played well in general the last three years when Foster’s active, going 7-2 both straight up and ATS in the postseason. The Celtics are 15-6 ATS since 2019 with Foster refereeing, with the regular season included.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:32 pm

Giff wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:58 am
Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:18 am
it's very hard to take officiating complaints seriously in a game where Steph Curry failed to make a three for the first time in like 234 games and the Celtics still lost by double figures
And since this is pretty much 99% of the media's reaction to bad calls, we still have shitty officiating with zero accountability.

no, we just have slow-motion instant replay available from nearly every single angle, the ability to disseminate those clips instantly, and athletes that are getting faster and better

and, in all likelihood, officiating is better too. it's not perfect and no one is going to argue that it is in any professional sports league. but it'd be extremely egregious and obvious if professional officiating hadn't also gotten better over the last X years like the athletes have

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:31 pm

Well, that was fun!

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:39 pm

Is this a safe place to reveal that I think this is the worst version of the NBA I've seen in my life? 27 foot 3s? Just move the damn line back so that you can't even take a baseline 3. It's a joke.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:31 am

Great season. Happy for Steph and Klay. Suck it Durant.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:43 am

I had an internal thought experiment last night. With this title, this would give more evidence that Curry is the greatest player in franchise history (counting only time with the team) over Wilt, although it's debatable. With 7 titles, the Warriors are moving up the list of titles among North American franchises. If people (justifiably) think Wilt is the best Warrior ever, how many franchises with that many titles would have their best player not be a part of any of them? The Yankees, Canadiens, Lakers, Celtics, Cardinals, Red Wings, Packers, all their best franchise players won titles with them. What franchises won a lot of titles but none by their best player? The only ones that I could think of is the NY/SF Giants with 8 if you think Bonds is their best player over Mays, and the Toronto Maple Leafs with 13 if we think Mats Sundin is their best ever. Am I forgetting anyone?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:48 am

Ted Williams.

And Curry is better.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:50 am

Oh yeah. Completely forgot The Splinter. Criminal by me.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:07 am

Ryan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:31 am Great season. Happy for Steph and Klay. Suck it Durant.

Yeah. They've set this thing up to be good for a while. They will have to address the bigs though. Did great but Horford will probably get moved and I think they drained 5 years out of rob Williams knee this year.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:09 am

Mitchell Robinson is going to go somewhere else and be really good, right?

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:29 am

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:43 am I had an internal thought experiment last night. With this title, this would give more evidence that Curry is the greatest player in franchise history (counting only time with the team) over Wilt, although it's debatable. With 7 titles, the Warriors are moving up the list of titles among North American franchises. If people (justifiably) think Wilt is the best Warrior ever, how many franchises with that many titles would have their best player not be a part of any of them? The Yankees, Canadiens, Lakers, Celtics, Cardinals, Red Wings, Packers, all their best franchise players won titles with them. What franchises won a lot of titles but none by their best player? The only ones that I could think of is the NY/SF Giants with 8 if you think Bonds is their best player over Mays, and the Toronto Maple Leafs with 13 if we think Mats Sundin is their best ever. Am I forgetting anyone?

I was going to say UTAH JAZZ, but I misread your question. But then I got to laugh at the UTAH JAZZ having zero championships. Of course, having two white guys as their best players probably sealed that for them.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:35 am

Remember that time when Jordan led the Bulls to 69 wins, but everyone felt bad for the Mailman and voted him the MVP, and then MJ took his frustrations out on him for the next two Finals. That was funny.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:33 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:39 pm Is this a safe place to reveal that I think this is the worst version of the NBA I've seen in my life? 27 foot 3s? Just move the damn line back so that you can't even take a baseline 3. It's a joke.

so the game is worse because players are shooting better?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:39 pm

L-Jam3 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:43 am I had an internal thought experiment last night. With this title, this would give more evidence that Curry is the greatest player in franchise history (counting only time with the team) over Wilt, although it's debatable. With 7 titles, the Warriors are moving up the list of titles among North American franchises. If people (justifiably) think Wilt is the best Warrior ever, how many franchises with that many titles would have their best player not be a part of any of them? The Yankees, Canadiens, Lakers, Celtics, Cardinals, Red Wings, Packers, all their best franchise players won titles with them. What franchises won a lot of titles but none by their best player? The only ones that I could think of is the NY/SF Giants with 8 if you think Bonds is their best player over Mays, and the Toronto Maple Leafs with 13 if we think Mats Sundin is their best ever. Am I forgetting anyone?

Do we want to open up the can of worms over whether Ewing is the best Knick ever?

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:55 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:33 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:39 pm Is this a safe place to reveal that I think this is the worst version of the NBA I've seen in my life? 27 foot 3s? Just move the damn line back so that you can't even take a baseline 3. It's a joke.
so the game is worse because players are shooting better?

Professional Leagues make changes (even drastic) to their rules all the time. Back the line up (or remove it entirely) or shrink the cylinder by an inch.

II know it'll never happen, and yes I understand my take on this is in the minority.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:57 pm

I've never heard anyone advocate for more missed shots before

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:04 pm

Then you haven't been listening. Enoch is right. All this chucking from deep is bad for hoops.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:04 pm Then you haven't been listening. Enoch is right. All this chucking from deep is bad for hoops.

Disagree. Pounding inside to a dominant big man and then watching him miss free throws is not good hoops.

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:16 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 pm Disagree. Pounding...a d...ina...man and then watching him...o...is...good...

Post by **Shirley** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:32 pm

I'm not sure why they don't consider making the court bigger. It's astonishing that players the size of NBA players are running around on the same court that middle school kids use. At the very least, make it wider so they can have a proper 3-point line all the way around.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:39 pm

Bigger court and the three-point line should be projected from above and turn on and off at random during the game

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:02 pm

From a teammate chaos standpoint, limiting the number of 3s a team can shoot would be a lot of fun.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:03 pm

a bigger court is going to lead to more scoring

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:09 pm

sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 pm
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:04 pm Then you haven't been listening. Enoch is right. All this chucking from deep is bad for hoops.
Disagree. Pounding inside to a dominant big man and then watching him miss free throws is not good hoops.

Agree with that but balance. Teams are more or less forced into as many threes as they can get looks. The threes create spacing and driving lanes but all they do when the beat someone is kick it back out for threes. There should be a bigger incentive to take a wider variety of shots. And they've more or less killed the post scorer. The NBA has a place for Kevin McHale

rass · Post by **rass** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:11 pm

Brontoburglar wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:03 pm a bigger court is going to lead to more scoring

If I hadn't just ...'d.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:18 pm

HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:09 pm
sancarlos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:05 pm
HaulCitgo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:04 pm Then you haven't been listening. Enoch is right. All this chucking from deep is bad for hoops.
Disagree. Pounding inside to a dominant big man and then watching him miss free throws is not good hoops.
Agree with that but balance. Teams are more or less forced into as many threes as they can get looks. The threes create spacing and driving lanes but all they do when the beat someone is kick it back out for threes. There should be a bigger incentive to take a wider variety of shots. And they've more or less killed the post scorer. The NBA has a place for Kevin McHale

11 active players have a better career field goal percentages than Kevin McHale (I'm not arguing that Montrezl Harrell is better either, just noting this)

while I understand the argument that baseball being optimized to the degree it has been in recent years is a less entertaining product to watch (I'm pretty sure I went over that earlier) there's really no metric that shows that pro basketball has gone down that same path outside of a personal disdain for the amount of threes taken.

and there's really nothing appealing about the midrange jumper either outside of nostalgia

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:19 pm

Do you really get more enjoyment out of a 23 foot jumper than 18? When was the last time you saw a turnaround fadeaway 3?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:59 pm

I'm a Boston homer, but I'm not going to say something this dumb.

(And Morey is his boy too.)

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:10 pm

Simmons is a fucking idiot. I’m disappointed in myself that I looked at that tweet to give it engagement.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:12 pm

Speaking of fucking idiot...

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:14 pm

Except the difference is that Magic had talent in his chosen profession.