MLB Thread - July 2013

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Anyone else want to chime in on the Reds one-trick pony?

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Whats worse than being stuck in the Fox Sports Midwest market and having to watch the Cards and Pirates play?

Having to watch them play TWICE.


There are zero other channels. Shut up.
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I'll see your angst. And I'll raise you "every single Blue Jays game".
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Luckily the Super 8 doesn't throttle wi-fi. MLBtv for the win.

And Shhh....there's something happening in one of the other games.
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Alex Avila's grand slam off Stephen Strasburg was not only the first GS ever off him but the first HR with more than one guy on base.
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If you can access Vin Scully calling the Yankees @ Dodgers game, you really ought to tune in.
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Damn. Big three-team trade between CWS, Boston & Detroit. Peavy goes to Boston, Detroit gets Jose Iglesias from Boston. Detroit sends Avisail Garcia to Chicago & Brayan Villareal to Boston. Likely a C level prospect or too also. Biased but I think this is another Dombrowski steal. An elite level glove at SS + league average bat only helps Detroit's pitching staff. Especially with Peralta facing 50 game suspension. Iglesias under club control until 2018.
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I think it's one of those trades that works out for everyone. BoSox need a starter, Tigers probably need a SS, and the ChiSox need to dump salary/retool.


Plus Iglesias is blocking a higher upside prospect at SS/3B (and aside from his hot start I would hazard to call him league average bat.)
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Rush2112 wrote:I think it's one of those trades that works out for everyone. BoSox need a starter, Tigers probably need a SS, and the ChiSox need to dump salary/retool.


Plus Iglesias is blocking a higher upside prospect at SS/3B (and aside from his hot start I would hazard to call him league average bat.)
He's overperforming now but I think his likely career progression is league average bat. Which is fine since the Tigers have enough bats under contract for the next 2-3 years. The big story is he should save a lot of runs with his defense. You're right that deal helps Detroit & Boston now and gives CWS a few lottery tickets so seems fair for all. The fact that he's not a short term rental makes me feel better about it long term.
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I think the Tigers will have Iglesias for 4-5 years. Nice deal, assuming Peralta is gone as of this week. Not bad even if he isn't, as the Tigers have little by the way of shortstops in the minors.

Despite his amazing bat this year, I assume Iglesias will hit .240-.260 with no power and modest speed. All about the glove.
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Just read my Twitter timeline for the last four hours. The only thing certain about this trade deadline is none of these so-called experts know what they're talking about.
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Sabo wrote:Just read my Twitter timeline for the last four hours. The only thing certain about this trade deadline is none of these so-called experts know what they're talking about.
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CWS got barely anything for Peavy. The Cubs got a much better return for Garza.

Then again, Peavy has managed to get through like one of the last five seasons without injur.
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DC47 wrote:I think the Tigers will have Iglesias for 4-5 years. Nice deal, assuming Peralta is gone as of this week. Not bad even if he isn't, as the Tigers have little by the way of shortstops in the minors.

Despite his amazing bat this year, I assume Iglesias will hit .240-.260 with no power and modest speed. All about the glove.

You are likely correct judging from his track record, but a SS with a great glove hitting .250 with no power can have good value in the current era.
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The White Sox got a very promising prospect in Avisail Garcia. He's a legit five-tool guy, who was hitting over .300 in AAA. He was good enough that the Tigers started him a few times in the post-season last year, at age 21 or 22. I'd say his most likely outcome is something like Alex Rios. But he's got more upside than this.

That's a lot to give up. But Iglesias is a brilliant defensive shortstop, who somehow is hitting well over .300 after showing no ability at the plate in his career previously. If the hitting is a fluke, his most likely outcome is something like Adam Everett or Mark Belanger. That's pretty darn good. Especially with a Tigers pitching staff that must be very high on the list of throwing ground balls. If somehow it's not a mirage and Iglesias has actually figured out how to hit the ball enough to be a .280-ish batter, he'll go to some all-star games.

With Jhonny Peralta facing a likely Biogenesis suspension, Iglesias obviously fills a big Tigers' need this season as well as having the potential to play well for years to come. Otherwise I think that giving up Avisail Garcia and a promising young relief pitcher is too much to give up for Iglesias. But, you got to play to Win Now in the Tigers' situation.
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HDO45331 wrote:Anyone else want to chime in on the Reds one-trick pony?

Relief pitchers struggle to use only one good pitch. Starters need three.

Uh-oh, did he give up a run? I'm sure the Pirates would take him off of your hands for a winner with heart. You want Brandon Inge?
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I remember he started the Panda game, flailed at Zito's soft stuff, but so did everybody else.
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DC47 wrote:The White Sox got a very promising prospect in Avisail Garcia. He's a legit five-tool guy, who was hitting over .300 in AAA. He was good enough that the Tigers started him a few times in the post-season last year, at age 21 or 22. I'd say his most likely outcome is something like Alex Rios. But he's got more upside than this.

That's a lot to give up. But Iglesias is a brilliant defensive shortstop, who somehow is hitting well over .300 after showing no ability at the plate in his career previously. If the hitting is a fluke, his most likely outcome is something like Adam Everett or Mark Belanger. That's pretty darn good. Especially with a Tigers pitching staff that must be very high on the list of throwing ground balls. If somehow it's not a mirage and Iglesias has actually figured out how to hit the ball enough to be a .280-ish batter, he'll go to some all-star games.

With Jhonny Peralta facing a likely Biogenesis suspension, Iglesias obviously fills a big Tigers' need this season as well as having the potential to play well for years to come. Otherwise I think that giving up Avisail Garcia and a promising young relief pitcher is too much to give up for Iglesias. But, you got to play to Win Now in the Tigers' situation.

Avasail Garcia looks pretty decent actually but his .400 slugging in the minors does not make him a five-tool player. If he hits this well in MLB (which probably won't happen), maybe he'll be an Elvis Andrus type of hitter.


After Iglesias' hot start, he hit under .210 in July, so the actual truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But this era, for shortstops, is quite depressed offensively.
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DC47 wrote:The White Sox got a very promising prospect in Avisail Garcia. He's a legit five-tool guy, who was hitting over .300 in AAA. He was good enough that the Tigers started him a few times in the post-season last year, at age 21 or 22. I'd say his most likely outcome is something like Alex Rios. But he's got more upside than this.

That's a lot to give up. But Iglesias is a brilliant defensive shortstop, who somehow is hitting well over .300 after showing no ability at the plate in his career previously. If the hitting is a fluke, his most likely outcome is something like Adam Everett or Mark Belanger. That's pretty darn good. Especially with a Tigers pitching staff that must be very high on the list of throwing ground balls. If somehow it's not a mirage and Iglesias has actually figured out how to hit the ball enough to be a .280-ish batter, he'll go to some all-star games.

With Jhonny Peralta facing a likely Biogenesis suspension, Iglesias obviously fills a big Tigers' need this season as well as having the potential to play well for years to come. Otherwise I think that giving up Avisail Garcia and a promising young relief pitcher is too much to give up for Iglesias. But, you got to play to Win Now in the Tigers' situation.
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Guy in my AL only league got pissed when we sent him back an incredulous note to his Jarrod Dyson for Chris Archer trade proposal because we didn't think it's fair and he did. (It's a keeper league, Archer is cheaper and eligible to be kept for the next two years.)

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Icepenis wrote:Avasail Garcia looks pretty decent actually but his .400 slugging in the minors does not make him a five-tool player. If he hits this well in MLB (which probably won't happen), maybe he'll be an Elvis Andrus type of hitter.

After Iglesias' hot start, he hit under .210 in July, so the actual truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But this era, for shortstops, is quite depressed offensively.
Stats for a player's entire minor league career are often deceiving. For example, when you are moving up as a young player for the leagues you're in. Garcia is nothing like a sure thing. He's probably not a top 20 prospect. But he just turned 22 and he's 6'4" and 240+ pounds. His nickname in Detroit is "Mini Miggy" -- as in Cabrera. Garcia's slugging percentage in AAA this year is around .560. It was .455 last year in AA and an A+ league known to favor pitchers. But he's undoubtedly a powerful guy. Watching him play, it's clear he's remarkably fast for a big man and he can throw well from RF. But of course he hasn't proven he can hit major league hitting. Most prospects who aren't in the elite ranks don't ever hit well enough to become all-stars. But Garcia has the five tools, so he's going to be interesting to watch. Do the White Sox have a better hitting prospect?

I doubt if Iglesias' mother thinks he'll hit .300 in the majors. But even after factoring out his flukishly high number of infield hits and BABIP, the remarkable start suggests he may be able to hit .250. If he can do that for five-plus years in Detroit, with his glove he'll be the best shortstop the Tigers have had since Alan Trammell. The perfect player to stand next to range-limited Miguel Cabrera on the left side of the infield.
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You mean Kirk Gibson? Or Fernando Valenzuela?
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Icepenis wrote:Avasail Garcia looks pretty decent actually but his .400 slugging in the minors does not make him a five-tool player. If he hits this well in MLB (which probably won't happen), maybe he'll be an Elvis Andrus type of hitter.

After Iglesias' hot start, he hit under .210 in July, so the actual truth is probably somewhere in the middle. But this era, for shortstops, is quite depressed offensively.
Stats for a player's entire minor league career are often deceiving. For example, when you are moving up as a young player for the leagues you're in. Garcia is nothing like a sure thing. He's probably not a top 20 prospect. But he just turned 22 and he's 6'4" and 240+ pounds. His nickname in Detroit is "Mini Miggy" -- as in Cabrera. Garcia's slugging percentage in AAA this year is around .560. It was .455 last year in AA and an A+ league known to favor pitchers. But he's undoubtedly a powerful guy. Watching him play, it's clear he's remarkably fast for a big man and he can throw well from RF. But of course he hasn't proven he can hit major league hitting. Most prospects who aren't in the elite ranks don't ever hit well enough to become all-stars. But Garcia has the five tools, so he's going to be interesting to watch. Do the White Sox have a better hitting prospect?

I doubt if Iglesias' mother thinks he'll hit .300 in the majors. But even after factoring out his flukishly high number of infield hits and BABIP, the remarkable start suggests he may be able to hit .250. If he can do that for five-plus years in Detroit, with his glove he'll be the best shortstop the Tigers have had since Alan Trammell. The perfect player to stand next to range-limited Miguel Cabrera on the left side of the infield.
Harold Minor's nickname was "Baby Jordan" - as in Michael Jordan. I just don't see too many guys come up and blow away their numbers from the minors. I mean time will tell obviously but I expected a return for CWS a bit below Garza (since Peavy is injury prone in recent years) - I think they may have held onto him for too long.

The White Sox have terrible prospects, actually. Probably worst in MLB. So he should be better than all of them. And I just said that if Iglesias hits .250 and fields well he will be a good SS, so I clearly agree on that.
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brian wrote:You mean Kirk Gibson? Or Fernando Valenzuela?
Gibson, apparently.
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