The Swamp

A_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:04 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am Bipartisanship is such a weird campaign tactic against an unpopular incumbent.

Is it? I feel like appealing to some of those turned off by Trump isn’t a terrible thing.

A_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:04 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am Bipartisanship is such a weird campaign tactic against an unpopular incumbent.

Is it? I feel like appealing to some of those turned off by Trump isn’t a terrible thing.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:30 am

A_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:04 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am Bipartisanship is such a weird campaign tactic against an unpopular incumbent.

Is it? I feel like appealing to some of those turned off by Trump isn’t a terrible thing.

One of the reasons some people dislike Trump (or politics in the Trump era) is the nasty partisanship. Appearing bipartisan is how you appeal to them.

And remember that only 25% of the public self-identifies as liberal. So for a Dem to win, he or she needs to appeal to moderates.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:33 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 pm Also gotta love how the unreasonable position here is me taking Biden at his word on questions he was asked with this exact scenario in mind.

There’s nothing reasonable about taking a politician at his word In one particular instance that suits you after you’ve spent months claiming he’s a serial liar.

Obviously neither you or I know what Biden will do if the Rs jam a replacement through. But you appear to be basing your prediction on the supposed fact that Biden cares too much about being liked by Republicans. *That* is nonsense. Biden was involved in ramming the ACA down the GOP’s throat when they united against it.

If your argument depends on ignoring the biggest legislative battle of this century, it’s just not a persuasive argument.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:19 am You guys bitching about Biden are fucking insane at this point.

Trump and this brand of evil needs to get kicked in the ass.

But, yes, please.. Continue to wring your hands about Biden being a moderate/centrist. That's the fucking point right now.

Fucking Hell.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:17 am

A_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:04 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am Bipartisanship is such a weird campaign tactic against an unpopular incumbent.

Is it? I feel like appealing to some of those turned off by Trump isn’t a terrible thing.

No, it's not a weird/terrible thing at all.

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:36 am

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:30 am

A_B wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:04 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:01 am Bipartisanship is such a weird campaign tactic against an unpopular incumbent.

Is it? I feel like appealing to some of those turned off by Trump isn’t a terrible thing.

One of the reasons some people dislike Trump (or politics in the Trump era) is the nasty partisanship. Appearing bipartisan is how you appeal to them.

And remember that only 25% of the public self-identifies as liberal. So for a Dem to win, he or she needs to appeal to moderates.

So, to be clear, was I being nonsensical before or not?

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:33 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:32 pm Also gotta love how the unreasonable position here is me taking Biden at his word on questions he was asked with this exact scenario in mind.

There’s nothing reasonable about taking a politician at his word In one particular instance that suits you after you’ve spent months claiming he’s a serial liar.

Obviously neither you or I know what Biden will do if the Rs jam a replacement through. But you appear to be basing your prediction on the supposed fact that Biden cares too much about being liked by Republicans. *That* is nonsense. Biden was involved in ramming the ACA down the GOP’s throat when they united against it.

If your argument depends on ignoring the biggest legislative battle of this century, it’s just not a persuasive argument.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:52 am Maybe just stop taking weird victory laps for your predictions about President Biden when it's still 1.5 weeks from the election?

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:47 amI’m not sure about Mr. D but not only can I walk and chew gum at the same

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:24 am

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:47 amI’m not sure about Mr. D but not only can I walk and chew gum at the same

Nope. While complaining about the party bending over backwards to “be fair” to Coney Barrett, I accidentally donated several thousand to Act Red.

Joe K wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:18 am

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:52 am Maybe just stop taking weird victory laps for your predictions about President Biden when it's still 1.5 weeks from the election?

I would be less inclined to take a “weird victory laps” if my initial prediction wasn’t derided as “100% wrong” and “nonsense” one month before Biden said that he’ll do the very thing I predicted, for the same reason I said so. Sorry that upsets you.

Probably time for someone to start a separate thread where it’s okay to critique Democrats on matters of national importance like the Supreme Court.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:47 am Wait. Joe, what do you think you’ve been proven right about? I think I’m missing something with this talk about victory laps.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:48 am As for tonight, once again, I will NOT be watching this. Good luck to Biden, because Trump is gonna spew so much defamatory and libelous shit I have no idea how it can be handled in a way that avoids being dragged into the mud.

Rex wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:07 am Why would anyone watch that when the NFC East is on?

psunate77 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:19 pm Anyways, I think the email scandal is going to crush Biden. Especially with photos of under age girls being with the Delaware Police. Fuckin Dems and their emails.

psunate77 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:19 pm

Anyways, I think the email scandal is going to crush Biden. Especially with photos of under age girls being with the Delaware Police. Fuckin Dems and their emails.

sancarlos wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm So Twitter is all aflutter about Trump releasing the video from the upcoming 60 minutes interview that he quit early.

It appears the highlight is him saying he wants the Supreme Court to get rid of Obamacare before the election. When Lesley Stahl pressed him on patients with pre-existing conditions who'd lose coverage, he insisted that they'd be protected. She asked, "How?", and he wouldn't/couldn't say how, and got pissed at the question. Of course, the ACA is the only thing forcing them to cover pre-existing conditions, and Trump insisting they'd be protected without giving a basis for how that would occur just doesn't cut it.

Fuckin' A, right, it's a damned good question. I have a big-ass pre-existing condition, and i'm on ACA. No insurance company is going to cover me if they don't have to. Keeping the ACA is kind of a big deal.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:02 pm I think the emails are probably authentic, or most of them anyway, but they don't actually constitute evidence of a scandal.

I fear that the focus on authenticity could backfire - like the focus on collusion - because it's not the real issue. So if there is some more reliable report that "The Emails are Real!" it could be like finding "more emails" on Huma Abedin's laptop last time around. There was nothing remotely scandalous about emails to or from Hillary Clinton being on the laptop of a top aide. But it became a scandal just because it was something that was discovered right before the election.

I just want people to keep getting those early votes in while Biden has a big lead. Just in case.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:23 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:02 pm I think the emails are probably authentic, or most of them anyway, but they don't actually constitute evidence of a scandal.

I fear that the focus on authenticity could backfire - like the focus on collusion - because it's not the real issue. So if there is some more reliable report that "The Emails are Real!" it could be like finding "more emails" on Huma Abedin's laptop last time around. There was nothing remotely scandalous about emails to or from Hillary Clinton being on the laptop of a top aide. But it became a scandal just because it was something that was discovered right before the election.

I just want people to keep getting those early votes in while Biden has a big lead. Just in case.

Nothing is going to stick. People were actively looking for reasons not to vote for Hillary. She was really unpopular with a ton of folks, not just those that watch Fox.

There just isn't that vibe with Joe. The best shot you can take at him is he's old and kind of doddering. That still stack up better than your creepy/angry Uncle that gets drunk and tells racist stories at T'giving.