The Swamp

A Seahawks Fan on another board wrote:I feel like an earlier draft of this article has a final paragraph that just straight-up suggests that the final interception of SB49 should be viewed skeptically, that the Seahawks should retroactively receive the Super Bowl ring with Brady's still-twitching finger attached, and that the Patriots should be disbanded once and for all.
This was an awesome read and I love me some drama, but it feels crazy irresponsible and one-sided if you try to read between the lines of what the author is saying - without coming right out and stating it, he's essentially suggesting that every Patriots win since Belichick took over is tarnished by cheating and corruption at all levels of the league. That's insane.

Rush2112 wrote: Doris Kearns Goodwin has a Pulitzer Prize. Not exactly that grand of an award.

howard wrote:

Rush2112 wrote: Doris Kearns Goodwin has a Pulitzer Prize. Not exactly that grand of an award.

Best argument you've made in 46 pages.

Brontoburglar wrote:I feel we've just set a dangerous precedent in the quote usage of message board posters from other sites.

Rush2112 wrote:

Brontoburglar wrote:I feel we've just set a dangerous precedent in the quote usage of message board posters from other sites.

I wager that a Seahawk fan wouldn't be viewing something with "Pats colored glasses."

Pruitt wrote:1) I hate the Patriots.

2) I hate the fact that many of their fans have set a new standard for whininess while bitching about the backlash against the team since January.

3) I think I hate the NFL even more for planting these stories with ESPN two days before the season starts with Brady playing - an embarrassment of epic proportions for Goodell and his minions.

Take that back, I don't "think" anything - I know I hate the Goodell regime more than the Pats. This is beyond belief - not that this shit went on, but that the league timed this release to further overshadow the start of what will be a 14 win season by the Pats.

Anyone not think this was a leak by the league? Jagoff Goodell can't win in court, so he orchestrates this?

(God help me - I am starting to agree with Pats fans).

BSF21 wrote:

Rush2112 wrote:

Brontoburglar wrote:I feel we've just set a dangerous precedent in the quote usage of message board posters from other sites.

I wager that a Seahawk fan wouldn't be viewing something with "Pats colored glasses."

Is the "color" some sort of advanced recording device?

Asking for a friend....Who wants to keep dumping gasoline on this dumpster fire

brian wrote:
I very much doubt the NFL wanted to see this story released. It paints the league in just as an embarrassing light as the Patriots. Basically it shows them as being complicit in covering up the seriousness of Spygate (at best) and dupes of the Kraft and the Patriots (at worst).

brian wrote:

Pruitt wrote:1) I hate the Patriots.

2) I hate the fact that many of their fans have set a new standard for whininess while bitching about the backlash against the team since January.

3) I think I hate the NFL even more for planting these stories with ESPN two days before the season starts with Brady playing - an embarrassment of epic proportions for Goodell and his minions.

Take that back, I don't "think" anything - I know I hate the Goodell regime more than the Pats. This is beyond belief - not that this shit went on, but that the league timed this release to further overshadow the start of what will be a 14 win season by the Pats.

Anyone not think this was a leak by the league? Jagoff Goodell can't win in court, so he orchestrates this?

(God help me - I am starting to agree with Pats fans).

I very much doubt the NFL wanted to see this story released. It paints the league in just as an embarrassing light as the Patriots. Basically it shows them as being complicit in covering up the seriousness of Spygate (at best) and dupes of the Kraft and the Patriots (at worst).

Joe K wrote: Agreed. Goodell and Pash look really bad in this story. To further cast doubt on the idea this was an NFL leak, the story contains previously unreported details about just how pissed NFL owners were at Goodell as a result of the Rice fiasco. His seat was apparently much hotter than had been previously reported.

Jerloma wrote:It's days like this I miss Delaware.

Pruitt wrote:Anyone not think this was a leak by the league? Jagoff Goodell can't win in court, so he orchestrates this?

(God help me - I am starting to agree with Pats fans).

Rush2112 wrote:

Brontoburglar wrote:I feel we've just set a dangerous precedent in the quote usage of message board posters from other sites.

I wager that a Seahawk fan wouldn't be viewing something with "Pats colored glasses."

Brontoburglar wrote:

Rush2112 wrote:

Brontoburglar wrote:I feel we've just set a dangerous precedent in the quote usage of message board posters from other sites.

I wager that a Seahawk fan wouldn't be viewing something with "Pats colored glasses."

So you cherry picked a source from a message board because it agreed with you while dismissing people named in the ESPN report because you didn't agree with them?

I'm impressed. I'm just not sure if I'm impressed with your prowess at being a caricature or that you are really lacking so much self-awareness in this thread.

And I hate this thread and this entire topic. With a passion.

A Seahawks Fan on this board: wrote:Can we call them Cheaters again?

HaulCitgo wrote:I dont know why this is a story. We know Belichick looks for an edge. Yeah, his trusted prep school friend does the wall street wonk work and coordinates execution. This has been known for a long time and is not something outside the lines just dug up. The only reason people have a problem is that his search for an exploit is not limited to traditional on the field stuff like left footed punters but extends to stuff like roster management, scouting, injury reporting, equipment, coaching contracts/staff management and anything else that gives him an extra 1%. If youre at all an honest fan, you have to appreciate him for it and its what makes him the best in the biz.

DaveInSeattle wrote:

HaulCitgo wrote:I dont know why this is a story. We know Belichick looks for an edge. Yeah, his trusted prep school friend does the wall street wonk work and coordinates execution. This has been known for a long time and is not something outside the lines just dug up. The only reason people have a problem is that his search for an exploit is not limited to traditional on the field stuff like left footed punters but extends to stuff like roster management, scouting, injury reporting, equipment, coaching contracts/staff management and anything else that gives him an extra 1%. If youre at all an honest fan, you have to appreciate him for it and its what makes him the best in the biz.

Sorry, but pulling stunts like sending low level staffers into the visitors locker room to steal playsheets or having the other teams radio headsets cut out on critical plays isn't getting an "extra 1%"....in my book, that's cheating.

Yes, pro football is big business, and all that, but its still a sport, and things like sportsmanship and fair play should still count for something. Did you read the SI article about the extra steps that the Seahawks were going through in terms of security for last years Super Bowl? All because they were playing the Patriots? That's insanity...

Unhappy when watching Brady pick apart the Bengals; but he is a model athlete--always cool and focused under pressure.

The NFL is making itself look ridiculous in seeking to continue its over-reaching attack on Brady.

More like a PR lynching of Brady for not cooperating in what was supposed to demonstrate the NFL's purity. What Brady did in not violating the privacy of his friends, by turning over his cell phone records, was far more honorable--far more--than what was done in embracing the "deflate-gate" silliness, after they admitted that they could not prove anything.

“There’s no hate like Brady hate....it’s psychotic.”

I think it’s usually that they never played the game...or maybe any sport. It’s hard to fathom how people can say the best football team in a generation got this way by looking at signals (like no one else has) or POSSIBLY under-inflating footballs...(also as if no one else has) it just defies logic or emotions.

What it takes to be a championship team in any sport consistently over decades isn’t done by cheating. Anyone who understands what it takes and how it works knows that in their heart. I pity people who can’t appreciate it. I provoke them and I probably shouldn’t. They get a FREE front row to history and shit on it. Sad.

I wear a Patriots hoodie to the gym every day (grew up in New England, currently living in Nashville), and every time I do something non-douchy like hold the door for someone or say “Hi!”, people stare at me like I have three heads. This cannot be a coincidence.

The Patriots are the only team that can make winning a Super Bowl as joyless as they have.

People who think Boston is the best city in the world have only been there and Akron.

New England fans just don’t seem to be happy unless we can be insufferably smug AND publicly flagellate ourselves over taking shit for the sins of our team.

Take every negative stereotype of NFL fans, from entitlement to racism to drug- addled women-beating, and Patriots fans embody it. We are everything hateable. We make excuses for cheating. We pollute the airwaves and the Internet with our ill-informed nonsense. We’re evil.

mister d wrote:Oh man oh man oh man ...