The Swamp

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:10 am**

My daughter’s wife’s mother is on a ventilator as of last night at 11:00 pm. She was sick about a week ago, all the symptoms, but couldn’t be tested because she’s 59 and was told protocol in her area is 60. She lives in Lynchburg. She was feeling better in last 48 hours but it all crashed last night all at once apparently - between Brianna and Nora checking in with her at 7:00 and when she was taken by ambulance to the hospital at 11. They are finally testing her so there’s that. She has significant health issues otherwise so, yeah, this is probably odds on not a great development. We saw monica at Christmas when she and her significant other came to baltimore and hosted them for a bit and it was a good visit- I am glad we saw her then and really glad Nora and Brianna got some time then - it is all very tenuous nowadays.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:24 am**

Sorry man. Hope she pulls through.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:03 pm**

Sorry, DSafe. Sorry, Bengal. There certainly are other people in Lynchburg that I'd rather get the virus. I have to wonder if Falwell's decision to keep his university open is going to have an effect on the number of cases, there.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:41 pm**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:10 am My daughter’s wife’s mother is on a ventilator as of last night at 11:00 pm. She was sick about a week ago, all the symptoms, but couldn’t be tested because she’s 59 and was told protocol in her area is 60. She lives in Lynchburg. She was feeling better in last 48 hours but it all crashed last night all at once apparently - between Brianna and Nora checking in with her at 7:00 and when she was taken by ambulance to the hospital at 11. They are finally testing her so there’s that. She has significant health issues otherwise so, yeah, this is probably odds on not a great development. We saw monica at Christmas when she and her significant other came to baltimore and hosted them for a bit and it was a good visit- I am glad we saw her then and really glad Nora and Brianna got some time then - it is all very tenuous nowadays.

Fuck, TB. Here’s hoping.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:25 pm**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:05 am Shit - that is scary. How old is he?

Early 40's.

When my grandmother died (mom's mom), that side of the family no longer had an anchor to bring everyone together, so I haven't seen him in three years, which was at my stepfather's funeral. Prior to that, I hadn't seen him since maybe his wedding, which was years before that. The two of us always got along well and there's no hard feelings, just nothing that brings the whole family together. He's actually run into a couple cousins of mine on my dad's side of the family recently, as his girlfriend lives in their town.

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:32 pm**

Because we could all use some hope in this shitty time:

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:33 pm**

'No one could have predicted this!'

Except for all the people in Trump's administration who did exactly that...

Posted: **Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:00 pm**

So maybe this is what sinks him?

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:26 am**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:00 pm So maybe this is what sinks him?

Depends on his tone.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:28 am**

Pruitt wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:00 pm So maybe this is what sinks him?

Nah, we’d just get trump 2.0 with Biden.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:29 am**

mister d wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:02 pm
Pruitt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:30 pm Boris Johnson in Intensive Care
Super sad.

Don't worry, he's... been released.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:50 am**

Prayerful for the mother in law

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:19 pm**

Neighbors next door are having a party because sure. People are the fucking worst.

Posted: **Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:24 pm**

brian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:19 pm Neighbors next door are having a party because sure. People are the fucking worst.

I speculated to some friends that people are getting tired of social distancing I thought the Easter weekend was going to be an issue. It sucks and people blow. I went out once this weekend for the famil grocery run and I was actually impressed at how people were distancing. So at least in my neck of the woods we are still good.

ETA: I do feel bad in hindsight for that one day we went to hang with some friends for a few hours.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:25 am**

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:42 am Trump only started taking it seriously (the famed 'change in tone' a couple of days ago) when his campaign pointed out that 'hey...this is going to kill a lot of our voters too!'.

“The Campaign Panicked”: Inside Trump’s Decision to Back Off of His Easter Coronavirus Miracle

Trump’s latest tonal and tactical shift (and almost certainly not the last) was driven by several factors, both personal and political. Trump learned that his close friend, 78-year-old New York real estate mogul Stan Chera, had contracted COVID-19 and fallen into a coma at NewYork-Presbyterian. “Boy, did that hit home. Stan is like one of his best friends,” said prominent New York Trump donor Bill White...”

That friend of Trump’s died yesterday.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:29 am**

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Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:46 am**

brian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:19 pm Neighbors next door are having a party because sure. People are the fucking worst.

Went for a walk last night and there were multiple houses in our development that had enough cars in their driveway/on the street to suggest they were hosting a gathering, including one that had five vehicles, including a couple parked in the street, and another with three cars with New York plates and one from Ohio.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:49 am**

DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:46 am
brian wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:19 pm Neighbors next door are having a party because sure. People are the fucking worst.
Went for a walk last night and there were multiple houses in our development that had enough cars in their driveway/on the street to suggest they were hosting a gathering, including one that had five vehicles, including a couple parked in the street, and another with three cars with New York plates and one from Ohio.

We've been running into more and more people in groups of 8-10+ standing right next to each other on our walks. Neighbors conversing, kids playing. It's all a little infuriating. I admit I left the house this week to go sit with a buddy of mine at a fire in his backyard. I brought my own chair, own beers, pissed in the corner of the fence, had zero common contact. And basically did decon anywhere when I got home.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:55 am**

Gotta say I've seen none of that in my neighbourhood, and there are a number of old school Orthodox Jews here. No crowds for Passover seders, nothing.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:08 am**

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:10 am My daughter’s wife’s mother is on a ventilator as of last night at 11:00 pm. She was sick about a week ago, all the symptoms, but couldn’t be tested because she’s 59 and was told protocol in her area is 60. She lives in Lynchburg. She was feeling better in last 48 hours but it all crashed last night all at once apparently - between Brianna and Nora checking in with her at 7:00 and when she was taken by ambulance to the hospital at 11. They are finally testing her so there’s that. She has significant health issues otherwise so, yeah, this is probably odds on not a great development. We saw monica at Christmas when she and her significant other came to baltimore and hosted them for a bit and it was a good visit- I am glad we saw her then and really glad Nora and Brianna got some time then - it is all very tenuous nowadays.

Hope she pulls through. Scary shit.

The numbers being officially reported are easily 25 percent undercounting. Easily. I'd be close to a million have contacted this thing by now. Purely anecdotal, but Justin Long has a podcast and he reported that his brother's gf came home from a trip and had it, then gave it to his brother and then Justin got it. None of them got tested and none of them needed to go to the hospital. I'm sure that's going on everywhere.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:08 pm**

Everything is going to be just fine...

Fuck...we're doomed...

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:13 pm**

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:08 pm Fuck...we're doomed...

These clowns can do whatever they want. States (the non-idiot ones) are going to stay on lockdown as long as they need.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:19 pm**

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:13 pm
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:08 pm Fuck...we're doomed...
These clowns can do whatever they want. States (the non-idiot ones) are going to stay on lockdown as long as they need.

And what I've been wondering, noodling through a "gradual re-opening of the economy" is whether governors are going to restrict travel outside of their state, or more importantly restricting ppl from other states from being allow in.

Because states like Texas and Florida and most of the red states in the mountain west? They can fuck off for awhile.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:20 pm**

This is even better than conference realignment.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm**

NJ/NY/PA/DE/CT (and now MA!) have formed some sort of regional council, too.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:37 pm**

rass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm NJ/NY/PA/DE/CT (and now MA!) have formed some sort of regional council, too.

I would feel a lot better if the Pennsylvania portion was from Harrisburg east.

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:48 pm**

This does not seem like a good idea. (Reopening things, not the forming of councils)

Posted: **Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:28 pm**

That will likely be the judgment from the public health experts. I think it's a good idea for the states with interconnected economies to make these decisions together based on cold, hard facts and science.

I think it's more proof at how badly Trump has driven the federal government into the ground that the feds aren't steering these ships either.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:05 am**

Florida governor recognizes pro wrestling as an “Essential Business”

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:49 am**

sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:05 am Florida governor recognizes pro wrestling as an “Essential Business”

Nowhere did the story mention the owner of the WWE has a wife serving in the Trump administration either.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:53 am**

brian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:49 am
sancarlos wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:05 am Florida governor recognizes pro wrestling as an “Essential Business”
Nowhere did the story mention the owner of the WWE has a wife serving in the Trump administration either.

Formerly. Linda McMahon left the SBA last year to work for Trump's PAC.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:59 am**

Didn't realize she left, but still don't think the Herald needed Hercule Poirot to connect the dots on that decision by DeSantis.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:00 am**

brian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:59 am Didn't realize she left, but still don't think the Herald needed Hercule Poirot to connect the dots on that decision by DeSantis.

I don't disagree in the least.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:13 am**

Lets see how King Donald is handling things this morning:

Jesus...

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:17 am**

So South Dakota is getting hit pretty bad now, thanks to its governor firmly deciding not to take action because freedom or whatever.

I just wanted to post this picture from the article, which was apparently captured as she watched a fight break out between her boyfriend and ex-husband in the Cabela's parking lot:

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:17 am**

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:13 am Lets see how King Donald is handling things this morning:

Jesus...

...what...is this?

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:20 am**

Susan Collins: [solemnly shakes head while voting Yes on the "No PPEs Without Sufficient Praise Act of 2020"]

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:33 am**

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:13 am Lets see how King Donald is handling things this morning:

Jesus...

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am**

rass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm NJ/NY/PA/DE/CT (and now MA!) have formed some sort of regional council, too.

These seems like a monumental break from our federal system of governance. I see it is a bold move on the part of these Governors to refuse to follow the advice or guidance from the President and his team. While it got attention in the media, I'm surprised it didn't get much more. Between this and states banning travel from specific states, I'm curious to see if this leads to a long-term weakening of the federal system.

Posted: **Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:02 pm**

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:42 am
rass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:25 pm NJ/NY/PA/DE/CT (and now MA!) have formed some sort of regional council, too.
These seems like a monumental break from our federal system of governance. I see it is a bold move on the part of these Governors to refuse to follow the advice or guidance from the President and his team. While it got attention in the media, I'm surprised it didn't get much more. Between this and states banning travel from specific states, I'm curious to see if this leads to a long-term weakening of the federal system.

I’m not sure it’s really that significant. I think interstate compacts are relatively common where you have regional-but-interstate issues. The Colorado River Compact is the example I’m most familiar with, but I’m pretty sure there are others. Maybe the governors are playing this up to tweak Trump, but I don’t expect any long-term impact on federalism.

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